Does Mag DK deserve an execute now?

ZarkingFrued · September 2019

It was the DOT class, and DOTs are now..

well they're not good in pvp that's for sure. So execute maybe? Take the pointless heal from Inhale and buff the damage? Something? Been my main since I started, and man o man I'm about to leave it again for another 3-6 months lol

Luckylancer · September 2019

And I want a class stun and class execute for magden.
Mag dk have zerg buster big stun+damage, warden lost permafrost.
Mag dk have the best stun in game, magden lost articblast. (scorch stun, good times)

Concludion: dont cry more pls

BNOC · September 2019

Go duel and play BG's or roll in a strong Cyro group - MagDks are and will continue to be strong and have one of the highest damage outputs because of the aoe and easily applied pressure.

If you're good on your main then you can run it any patch and you'll be fine for the most part, almost regardless of changes.

Iskiab · September 2019

BNOC wrote: »

Go duel and play BG's or roll in a strong Cyro group - MagDks are and will continue to be strong and have one of the highest damage outputs because of the aoe and easily applied pressure.

If you're good on your main then you can run it any patch and you'll be fine for the most part, almost regardless of changes.

True, but people will always wonder why they’re playing the class they are if others are outright better. I’m going through that now as a magblade healer.

JumpmanLane · September 2019

BNOC wrote: »

Go duel and play BG's or roll in a strong Cyro group - MagDks are and will continue to be strong and have one of the highest damage outputs because of the aoe and easily applied pressure.

If you're good on your main then you can run it any patch and you'll be fine for the most part, almost regardless of changes.

They killed embers and Engulfing right now (AND ENTROPY) if it goes live; but MagDk is still gonna hit like a truck driven by a fat man hauling bricks!

My whole thing is the combat devs are really not inspiring confidence. To buff Entropy and Soul Trap like that and to turn right around and nerf EVERY DOT IN THE GAME.

DO they play this game or DO they just read the forums? They have a lil test team; but are those fools any good? The devs duel? Duel WHO? How often. I’m uninspired lol.

Banana · September 2019

Do i need to run a sustain set now for pve?

Stridig · September 2019

DK's have always had an execute. It just identifies as an ultimate.

TrinityBreaker · September 2019

Stridig wrote: »

DK's have always had an execute. It just identifies as an ultimate.

You serious or trolling?

Zer0_CooL · September 2019

Stridig wrote: »

DK's have always had an execute. It just identifies as an ultimate.

I like the way you're thinking. I always wanted Inhale to have an execute function in order to provide the MagDK with a decent burst, but Dragon Leap dealing something like an additional 150% damage to enemys below 20% HP sounds even better.

Narvuntien · September 2019

They just shouldn't of been hit with the double nerf on cost and damage... only one of those two

Crom_CCCXVI · September 2019

What Mag DK deserves is to stop being punished... for anyone who doesn't want to stand there holding block while using a bunch of solo dots..

off balance immunity ruined power lash
Immobilization immunity ruined talons
Wings is now worthless
and now we don't even have a decent stun, Stonefist no longer stuns.. WTH?

The only stun we have is fossilize, where you have to be standing right on top of people. You would think the only way to play a DK is to wear heavy armor and use dots, SAD

scirocco2 · September 2019

Well they had a finishing off skill in the shape of the whip its what Im using to finish off stuff after 3 other spells it hits as hard as a finish off spell. The losss of stonefist for magdk:s is sad I used a ranged heavy atack build with in bg:s with dots its stupidly effective. Heavy atack + stonefist almos the same time could hit for 15k + in bg:s. But they clrearly want you to be in meele range to do your damage, same with my templar with dots I could finally use a ranged build and had so mutch fun playing my templar as I always wanted since I leveled him up as a ranged caster, but they take that away and we are back to meele only range.

BlackMadara · September 2019

BNOC wrote: »

Go duel and play BG's or roll in a strong Cyro group - MagDks are and will continue to be strong and have one of the highest damage outputs because of the aoe and easily applied pressure.

If you're good on your main then you can run it any patch and you'll be fine for the most part, almost regardless of changes.

That high damage came due to dot pressure in duels and small scale. The nerf to dots is hefty, far too much imo, and DKs do not have very solid burst options and no execute. You can run inhale and flame of oblivion, but those skills aren't as effective as other class burst options.

ZarkingFrued · September 2019

Luckylancer wrote: »

And I want a class stun and class execute for magden.
Mag dk have zerg buster big stun+damage, warden lost permafrost.
Mag dk have the best stun in game, magden lost articblast. (scorch stun, good times)

Concludion: dont cry more pls

Oh no someone on the internet said I was crying because I tried to start an intelligent conversation. Good job showing your internet dominance. Toxic. This post is not about magden, I have one about that if you would like to be toxic there instead. Take a chill pill first tho.

ZarkingFrued · September 2019

BlackMadara wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

Go duel and play BG's or roll in a strong Cyro group - MagDks are and will continue to be strong and have one of the highest damage outputs because of the aoe and easily applied pressure.

If you're good on your main then you can run it any patch and you'll be fine for the most part, almost regardless of changes.

That high damage came due to dot pressure in duels and small scale. The nerf to dots is hefty, far too much imo, and DKs do not have very solid burst options and no execute. You can run inhale and flame of oblivion, but those skills aren't as effective as other class burst options.

This is what people who don't MDk dont know. If you mdk you know those dots are essential. You're not winning without them. Also the ppl on here saying join a group should just uninstall

DeadlyRecluse · September 2019

Rather than giving DKs an execute, I wish they would back off of this bizarre standardization kick and let some DoTs be better than others.

But IDK, more and more the forums tend towards homogenization. I want Sorcs to be balanced around not having a spammable, DKs around not having an execute, etc. etc.

ZarkingFrued · September 2019

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Rather than giving DKs an execute, I wish they would back off of this bizarre standardization kick and let some DoTs be better than others.

But IDK, more and more the forums tend towards homogenization. I want Sorcs to be balanced around not having a spammable, DKs around not having an execute, etc. etc.

I agree, just leave mdk dots alone so the classes have differences

Emma_Overload · September 2019

TrinityBreaker wrote: »

Stridig wrote: »

DK's have always had an execute. It just identifies as an ultimate.

You serious or trolling?

He's serious. I was about to say the same thing. Who needs an execute when your ultimate actually kills people?

Stridig · September 2019

I have always used leap as my execute. And it really doesn't bother me.

MizoreReyes · September 2019

Ferocious Leap is inferior:
Flame Damage
Damage Shield that gets halved by Battle Spirit
Ulti Cost remains same

Take Flight:
Physical Damage
Increased Range
Increased Damage
Decrease Ulti Cost by 15

Stridig · September 2019

I guess it's a matter of opinion. Some builds would prefer the flame damage and some would prefer physical damage.

ZarkingFrued · September 2019

Stridig wrote: »

I guess it's a matter of opinion. Some builds would prefer the flame damage and some would prefer physical damage.

He's pointing out that stam has it better than mag for the ulti, not that big a deal imo. You're not going to run Physical damage skill on mag unless you dont understand the game or your class has very very limited ulti choices. Maybe Dawnbreaker for stun on some mag

kpittsniperb14_ESO · September 2019

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Rather than giving DKs an execute, I wish they would back off of this bizarre standardization kick and let some DoTs be better than others.

But IDK, more and more the forums tend towards homogenization. I want Sorcs to be balanced around not having a spammable, DKs around not having an execute, etc. etc.

You make too much sense, people ask for homogenization and then complain the classes have no identity. DK doesn't need and escape, burst or execute. DK needs to have a lot of it's original toolkit restored, and should have strong dots to fulfil it's role as the pressure class. It was one of the best designed classes at one time, OP at launch yes and needed adjusting, but has been so gutted by both global nerfs and 5 years of class nerfing.

ZarkingFrued · September 2019

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Rather than giving DKs an execute, I wish they would back off of this bizarre standardization kick and let some DoTs be better than others.

But IDK, more and more the forums tend towards homogenization. I want Sorcs to be balanced around not having a spammable, DKs around not having an execute, etc. etc.

Sorry just throwing out ideas to keep magdk slight lo y relevant. They'll get no execute, no dots, just fossilize and leap, spamming whips. That's your combo. At least while I'm playing my magplar I'll know DKs cant hurt lmfao.

Luckylancer · September 2019

Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »

What
and now we don't even have a decent stun, Stonefist no longer stuns.. WTH?

The only stun we have is fossilize, where you have to be standing right on top of people. You would think the only way to play a DK is to wear heavy armor and use dots, SAD

WTF! You have undodgable, unblockable stun that roots. Enemy have to break free and roll dodge. Why do you play mag dk if you dont like dots and being defensive? If you hate it ao much, stop playing it.

JumpmanLane · September 2019

DK’s need their dots back. Revert wings. Revert cost increases. Fix Structured Entropy. Fix Soul Trap. They came up with that crap. Now they break everything listening to forums whiners.

SipofMaim · September 2019

This should be part of the Grand Standardization. If nobody can have a damage + stun and everybody's DOTs must be weak and expensive, then every spec should have access to an execute.

Don't just give us the crap sandwich parts of glorious class equality in all things.

Xvorg · September 2019

Luckylancer wrote: »

Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »

What
and now we don't even have a decent stun, Stonefist no longer stuns.. WTH?

The only stun we have is fossilize, where you have to be standing right on top of people. You would think the only way to play a DK is to wear heavy armor and use dots, SAD

WTF! You have undodgable, unblockable stun that roots. Enemy have to break free and roll dodge. Why do you play mag dk if you dont like dots and being defensive? If you hate it ao much, stop playing it.

Sorcs have and undodgeable unblockable aoe root that does huge dmg. Nerfing it would be utterly stupid

ZarkingFrued · September 2019

SipofMaim wrote: »

This should be part of the Grand Standardization. If nobody can have a damage + stun and everybody's DOTs must be weak and expensive, then every spec should have access to an execute.

Don't just give us the crap sandwich parts of glorious class equality in all things.

This is where I stand with it

ZarkingFrued · September 2019

Luckylancer wrote: »

Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »

What
and now we don't even have a decent stun, Stonefist no longer stuns.. WTH?

The only stun we have is fossilize, where you have to be standing right on top of people. You would think the only way to play a DK is to wear heavy armor and use dots, SAD

WTF! You have undodgable, unblockable stun that roots. Enemy have to break free and roll dodge. Why do you play mag dk if you dont like dots and being defensive? If you hate it ao much, stop playing it.

That yet again requires you to be on top of the person while so many classes are excellent at keeping distance. Its not a matter of not liking dots, the problem is Dots are dead after pts. And stay defensive? So you're suggestion is to be a pvp tank? I stay defensive on every class, that's the only way you can solo this game, but that doesnt work if the class has no burst capability or pressure from dots.

kpittsniperb14_ESO · September 2019

Luckylancer wrote: »

Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »

What
and now we don't even have a decent stun, Stonefist no longer stuns.. WTH?

The only stun we have is fossilize, where you have to be standing right on top of people. You would think the only way to play a DK is to wear heavy armor and use dots, SAD

WTF! You have undodgable, unblockable stun that roots. Enemy have to break free and roll dodge. Why do you play mag dk if you dont like dots and being defensive? If you hate it ao much, stop playing it.

The loss of stone fist on Mag DK is huge imho....it was a very effective long range stun that helped you close the gap on kiters. Fossilize has been so nerfed that it is now situational at best and the reduced range means you need to essentially in melee already to use it. I give you that if you can land it, it's the best CC in the game. A lot of people that haven't played the class have no idea how much you have to work for a kill as a DK and it's going to get much worse next update. I'll probably take your advice and play something else.