Give us the option to join battlegrounds where premades are not allowed

Jeremy · September 2019

As the title suggests. There needs to be an option that allows players to sign up for battlegrounds where pre-made groups are not allowed. That would go a long way to making battlegrounds more enjoyable. Because it's simply not fair (or fun) when a random pug group is matched against a coordinated pre-made group.

Premades should be matched against other premades. Pugs should be matched against pugs. Simple as that.

FearlessOne_2014 · September 2019

+1 for I agree!

Waffennacht · September 2019

I definitely wouldn't mind it

iJuacob · September 2019

Can't stand 4 pet builds, so +1

ChunkyCat · September 2019

Sure

NuarBlack · September 2019

Tentatively agree depending on what you call premade. Not sure I'd have it exclude duos but 3+ groups sure.

Iskiab · September 2019

I don’t think it’d matter too much.

The group that gets the new players or Stamblades loses every time. It’s more of an indicator of who’ll win then premade or not.

GhostofDatthaw · September 2019

Problem is where do the "premades" where it's just two people or three go

Goregrinder · September 2019

So reward disorganization rather than organization? Hm...in a mode where the goal is to win, and the team that is the MOST organized wins? I didn't really realize organization was "OP"....

Thogard · September 2019

Goregrinder wrote: »

So reward disorganization rather than organization? Hm...in a mode where the goal is to win, and the team that is the MOST organized wins? I didn't really realize organization was "OP"....

You literally just said that the most organized team wins, and followed that sentence up by saying that you didn’t know organization was OP.

Thogard · September 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

I don’t think it’d matter too much.

The group that gets the new players or Stamblades loses every time. It’s more of an indicator of who’ll win then premade or not.

I agree to an extent but it depends a lot on when you’re playing. Primetime it isn’t as big of a deal because the pug teammates in high MMR matches usually won’t be NBs or have bad positioning.

But outside of primetime when players have bad positioning (ie a premade extends back and the pugs blindly push into a choke point or an obvious sandwich) then premade is a huuuge advantage because you can make sure you don’t get any bad players on your team.

Goregrinder · September 2019

Thogard wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

So reward disorganization rather than organization? Hm...in a mode where the goal is to win, and the team that is the MOST organized wins? I didn't really realize organization was "OP"....

You literally just said that the most organized team wins, and followed that sentence up by saying that you didn’t know organization was OP.

"They're organized...that's TOO overpowered...nerf it, make it so every team is as equally as unorganized as possible...we can't have people effectively working together towards a specific goal, otherwise, how else am I going to win??...."

SodanTok · September 2019

Goregrinder wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

So reward disorganization rather than organization? Hm...in a mode where the goal is to win, and the team that is the MOST organized wins? I didn't really realize organization was "OP"....

You literally just said that the most organized team wins, and followed that sentence up by saying that you didn’t know organization was OP.

"They're organized...that's TOO overpowered...nerf it, make it so every team is as equally as unorganized as possible...we can't have people effectively working together towards a specific goal, otherwise, how else am I going to win??...."

One could argue that solo queue (to a max of 2ppl groups at least) would reward true organization more than anything. And on equal footing for every team. Where queue where premades are allowed greatly favors organization made outside of the match. No wonder many much more competitive games got it and separated these two.

Weesacs · September 2019

We have been asking for this for a long time now. Personally, if they aren't giving us separate queues (which they should) then at least give us a free-for-all death match mode so we don't need to compete against premades.

russelmmendoza · September 2019

Jeremy wrote: »

As the title suggests. There needs to be an option that allows players to sign up for battlegrounds where pre-made groups are not allowed. That would go a long way to making battlegrounds more enjoyable. Because it's simply not fair (or fun) when a random pug group is matched against a coordinated pre-made group.

Premades should be matched against other premades. Pugs should be matched against pugs. Simple as that.

Wishfull thinking and the likes.

They said they fixed it, like, were killing it.

Still happens though.

Join bg match, just expect for the worst.

My, win 3 battles, is forever, at a stand still.

Just saying.

PhoenixGrey · September 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

I don’t think it’d matter too much.

The group that gets the new players or Stamblades loses every time. It’s more of an indicator of who’ll win then premade or not.

Not really. You just need 2 top tier players to carry your team.

This patch however is an exception where the team with the most PVE players win

Shaloknir · September 2019

I agree, fighting premade groups can be frustrating. I think the problem is that it would effectively kill bgs for premade groups. Every solo player would of course choose solo que, its the logical course of action. There wouldnt be enough solo players to fill premade groups of 3 or 2 players.

This idea would mean bgs is mainly for solo queing. Im ok with that because im a solo player. Yet I understand if MMO chooses a different path.

Kel · September 2019

I just don't understand the mentality of premade groups made for the explicit purpose of "pug stomping" think that they are somehow elite PvP players. They synergize gear and abilities for the sole purpose of dominating unorganized, perhaps lower skilled players.
But, if they were really elite players, would they need such a crutch? Would you really need 3 other players to succeed?
I don't buy the "play with friends" reasoning. You can play with your friends in Cyrodiil, or IC, or run dungeons. I'm sure premades are so resistant to the idea of solo queues because they'll lose easy wins. A premade might get stomped by another two teams made of premades. Not only does it take away easy wins, it also shatters the elite feeling of pug stomping.

I'm willing to bet if they ever separated the queues between solo and premade, the premade queue would die, and die fast. As soon as these premade elite teams realized they went so elite after all, they'd stop queuing.

They say they want competition, and don't enjoy baby seal clubbing. But if this were true, you'd be seeing pro premade supporters asking to go up against other premades. Ask yourself why these players are so strongly against facing equal competition.

Just my opinion.

Iskiab · September 2019

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I don’t think it’d matter too much.

The group that gets the new players or Stamblades loses every time. It’s more of an indicator of who’ll win then premade or not.

Not really. You just need 2 top tier players to carry your team.

This patch however is an exception where the team with the most PVE players win

Do you mean people who use dots a lot? Nah, those are dps problems, I play a healer and those teams are lucky to get 100 points in a DM, just use cleanse.

I had one game of Mystikkal, Haki and ItsAkkeanFTW. I thought for sure we’d steam roll the other teams but we lost. Defensive nerfs for mag have made it so coordination is more important than ever. I predicted it prior to the patch, sucks I’m right. It makes solo queuing a hell of a lot more difficult.

React · September 2019

Solo queue bg's would be a dream come true. Back before MMR when battlegrounds were undeniably in their prime, you could solo queue all day long while matching maybe 1-2 premades in a 6-8 hour session. You would fight different people EVERY game, and it never got boring.

Now at a high MMR you're limited to a tiny little portion of the actual BG playerbase, who you'll match over and over again. Additionally as a high MMR solo queue player, you're constantly up against teams of 3-4 average-high MMR players often with low MMR solo queue players on your own team.

It's so sad that every form of ESO pvp has become so terrible. Game had so much potential and I've just watched it decay every patch for about two years now.

MurderMostFoul · September 2019

I'm going to throw this solution out there, again:

Maulkin wrote: »

This has been said countless of times. They don't even need 4 queues. Two will do fine:

2 Queues, a small and a large group queue, with solo players falling into both. Trio +1 random is strong enough to take on a Quartet (full premade). And solo players are fine mixing with duos.

This is both easier to implement than MMR and it will cause smaller fragmentation of the relatively small player base than proper MMR would cause.

Under this very simple system, you wouldn't even need separate queues. All folks joining would be auto sorted and all matches would be:

singles/duos v. singles/duos v. singles/duos

or

single+trio/quartet v. single+trio/quartet v. single+trio/quartet

Qwazzy · September 2019

Liam12548 wrote: »

Solo queue bg's would be a dream come true. Back before MMR when battlegrounds were undeniably in their prime, you could solo queue all day long while matching maybe 1-2 premades in a 6-8 hour session. You would fight different people EVERY game, and it never got boring.

Now at a high MMR you're limited to a tiny little portion of the actual BG playerbase, who you'll match over and over again. Additionally as a high MMR solo queue player, you're constantly up against teams of 3-4 average-high MMR players often with low MMR solo queue players on your own team.

It's so sad that every form of ESO pvp has become so terrible. Game had so much potential and I've just watched it decay every patch for about two years now.

This.

PhoenixGrey · September 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I don’t think it’d matter too much.

The group that gets the new players or Stamblades loses every time. It’s more of an indicator of who’ll win then premade or not.

Not really. You just need 2 top tier players to carry your team.

This patch however is an exception where the team with the most PVE players win

Do you mean people who use dots a lot? Nah, those are dps problems, I play a healer and those teams are lucky to get 100 points in a DM, just use cleanse.

I had one game of Mystikkal, Haki and ItsAkkeanFTW. I thought for sure we’d steam roll the other teams but we lost. Defensive nerfs for mag have made it so coordination is more important than ever. I predicted it prior to the patch, sucks I’m right. It makes solo queuing a hell of a lot more difficult.

I said 2 top tier players. You had just one. 😀

Bashev · September 2019

That will be nice if ZoS separate the queue and I am for that. But right now on EU PC there is no more that 2 full premades and 3-4 trios who queue in the primetime. All the rest are solo or duo.
Even that I know that ppl are not in a premade I had so many times that my teammates categorize our enemies as premade. I also was blamed so many times that I am in a premade even that we were all solo.

At least if this happens ppl will stop complain that it is premades who destroy them and not the fact that they enter in a death match without one cross healing skill and no utility skills.

Iskiab · September 2019

Bashev wrote: »

That will be nice if ZoS separate the queue and I am for that. But right now on EU PC there is no more that 2 full premades and 3-4 trios who queue in the primetime. All the rest are solo or duo.
Even that I know that ppl are not in a premade I had so many times that my teammates categorize our enemies as premade. I also was blamed so many times that I am in a premade even that we were all solo.

At least if this happens ppl will stop complain that it is premades who destroy them and not the fact that they enter in a death match without one cross healing skill and no utility skills.

It’s the same on PC-NA. People call premade a lot, a lot of premade complaints are actually complaints about people playing specs with cross healing and group support. 1vX types who don’t like there are no potatoes to farm who contribute nothing to the group but damage.

deepseamk20b14_ESO · September 2019

Thogard wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I don’t think it’d matter too much.

The group that gets the new players or Stamblades loses every time. It’s more of an indicator of who’ll win then premade or not.

I agree to an extent but it depends a lot on when you’re playing. Primetime it isn’t as big of a deal because the pug teammates in high MMR matches usually won’t be NBs or have bad positioning.

But outside of primetime when players have bad positioning (ie a premade extends back and the pugs blindly push into a choke point or an obvious sandwich) then premade is a huuuge advantage because you can make sure you don’t get any bad players on your team.

Wait, what’s wrong with stamblades? According to the forums they are OP with their cloak and all. Are they not good in BG’s?

Bashev · September 2019

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I don’t think it’d matter too much.

The group that gets the new players or Stamblades loses every time. It’s more of an indicator of who’ll win then premade or not.

I agree to an extent but it depends a lot on when you’re playing. Primetime it isn’t as big of a deal because the pug teammates in high MMR matches usually won’t be NBs or have bad positioning.

But outside of primetime when players have bad positioning (ie a premade extends back and the pugs blindly push into a choke point or an obvious sandwich) then premade is a huuuge advantage because you can make sure you don’t get any bad players on your team.

Wait, what’s wrong with stamblades? According to the forums they are OP with their cloak and all. Are they not good in BG’s?

They are the worst spec in deathmatch high MMR BGs. Some good players could compensate but they are very rare because most of the good player choose another class for BGs.

I also believe that ZoS keep the queue together because if they separate it then the premade queue will be almost dead. Ppl will wait for 20m+ and ZoS want some casual players to play together (as friends otherwise they will complain). ZoS main target are the casuals. But sometimes these casual player get matched vs other very high MMR players.

Once I played twice in a row with such a trio and then we got destroyed and I gave them an advice not to queue together because this is what they will get.

gepe87 · September 2019

I keep seeing this on foruns since Morrowind 1st day. I wonder why is not available...

deepseamk20b14_ESO · September 2019

Bashev wrote: »

They are the worst spec in deathmatch high MMR BGs. Some good players could compensate but they are very rare because most of the good player choose another class for BGs.

is it because they try to use the normal open world play style instead of building tanky? I genuinely want to know. BG’s was never really something I did before my long break from the game, I was always in cyrodiil. I started doing battlegrounds since I’ve been back because I seem to have very little lag issues there. At the moment (probably because low MMR for now) every match I’m in I’m destroying people. Obviously this will change as que starts matching me with better players. So am I just going to get to a point where NB is so outclassed it’s simply not fun and I end up bringing my sorc or DK in?

russelmmendoza · October 2019

This again?
They tried.
They failed.
Nothing new.
Moving on.