With all the complaining about update 24
Alienoutlaw
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How many ppl have ACTUALLY spent serious time testing on the PTS?
*Voting for other will now include those that on PC that have chosen not to test on PTS but are relying on the math
Edited by Alienoutlaw on September 19, 2019 1:17PM *Voting for other will now include those that on PC that have chosen not to test on PTS but are relying on the math
With all the complaining about update 24 137 votes
I have tested on the PTS and my complaints are a result of performance
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44 votes
I have read the patch notes but reserve judgement as i play console
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34 votes
I have done neither but a friend watched a youtube video so im complaining to look cool
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9 votes
Other
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50 votes
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Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I have read the patch notes but reserve judgement as i play consoleI am cautiously optimistic now that hybrid builds seem to be getting some love."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."3 -
Alienoutlaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I have tested on the PTS and my complaints are a result of performanceI am cautiously optimistic now that hybrid builds seem to be getting some love.
i agree, im currently testing wardens but the stam sorc worked very well with some nice variation to set ups (PvP) i even ran a stam pet sorc which worked nice for burst heals4 -
Idinuse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I have tested on the PTS and my complaints are a result of performanceI've been quite quiet for a change because I'm...it...I'm... a bit ambivalent. This might well work out O.O.Edited by Idinuse on September 19, 2019 12:01PMSed ut perspiciatis unde omnis iste natus error sit voluptatem accusantium dolorem que laudantium, totam rem aperiam, eaque ipsa quae ab illo inventore veritatis et quasi architecto beatae vitae dicta sunt explicabo. Nemo enim ipsam voluptatem quia voluptas sit aspernatur aut odit aut fugit, sed quia consequuntur magni dolores eos qui ratione voluptatem sequi nesciunt. Neque porro quisquam est, qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit, sed quia non numquam eius modi tempora incidunt ut labore et dolore magnam aliquam quaerat voluptatem. Ut enim ad minima veniam, quis nostrum exercitationem ullam corporis suscipit laboriosam, nisi ut aliquid ex ea commodi consequatur? Quis autem vel eum iure reprehenderit qui in ea voluptate velit esse quam nihil molestiae consequatur, vel illum qui dolorem eum fugiat quo voluptas nulla pariatur?1 -
Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I have read the patch notes but reserve judgement as i play consoleAlienoutlaw wrote: »
Nice. I'm working on a stamdk concept using 2h/Inferno with an even split across attributes. I truly believe that hybrids will be the way of the future. Plus, this will cement the "Play as you want" tagline."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."1 -
rotaugen454✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭OtherBiased poll. I’ve read through the patch notes carefully and can do math. The hardest hit will be mid tier groups in group dungeons and trials."Get off my lawn!"27 -
alainjbrennanb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I have tested on the PTS and my complaints are a result of performancehave been on pts the exact same build on a dk a loss of 25k dpsMain character dk - Vanikifar whitestrike3
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✭✭I have tested on the PTS and my complaints are a result of performanceFired up PTS to look at Tooltips from a Pretty Standard magdk pvp build, volatile armor, vma 2h and Viper hit harder than engulfing and embers. FeelsweirdmanPoliteness is respecting others.
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Modesty is speaking of oneself without vanity.
Self control is keeping calm even when anger rises.
Sincerity is expressing oneself without concealing ones thoughts.
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Alienoutlaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I have tested on the PTS and my complaints are a result of performancerotaugen454 wrote: »Biased poll. I’ve read through the patch notes carefully and can do math. The hardest hit will be mid tier groups in group dungeons and trials.
how is the poll bias?2 -
Donny_Vito✭✭✭✭✭
✭I have read the patch notes but reserve judgement as i play consoleI am cautiously optimistic now that hybrid builds seem to be getting some love.
I think you are right, they will see some love this next patch. From a personal standpoint though, it's unfortunate as it's going to make it harder for myself and my progression group in terms of overall DPS output. The last patch already made it harder to consistently get the core together, and now with the release of all these new games coupled with the potential nerfs I feel like my group will be at it's end. I'm sure another group will start up with passionate players, that should be how the cycle goes. Anyways, I do hold the right for judgement, but patch-history has shown that what PC gets is what we get on console.1 -
Easily_Lost✭✭✭✭✭OtherI have read the patch notes, but I am on PC. Will wait for release and then adapt.PC - NA - AD
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p4l4mu7✭✭✭✭✭I have tested on the PTS and my complaints are a result of performanceI'm hoping they will do more adjustments about the nerfs before patch hits to live, tho i still hate the change on dizzy swing0 -
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✭I have tested on the PTS and my complaints are a result of performanceI'm hoping they will do more adjustments about the nerfs before patch hits to live, tho i still hate the change on dizzy swing
They will hardly rever d/s changes back m8.
Atleast in the next 1-2 moths.
We stil have to see templar and nb changes.
Maybe all this nerfs are top of the iceberg and when they done with all, the final picture wont be that bad.
And stil, they lack comunication.
Cant wait to see the pre release note.0 -
St_Anger✭✭✭OtherThe main problem of this patch are not the nervs. Everyone just acts as if people are whining because their dps got nerved. The mayor problems are, that there is no new PvE endgame content, so that everyone who already completed Sunspire HM doesnt really have anything to do until May. And the other big problem is that class identity got killed, or rather killed even more after Scalecaller instead of making it better. Every class uses the same gear, every class uses mostly the same skills and every class hast almost the same rotation. Also by standardising the duration of DOTs to 10 seconds dumbed down the rotation, that all rotations have basically become static, and almost no dynamic rotations or elements left.3
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✭✭✭✭✭OtherAlienoutlaw wrote: »rotaugen454 wrote: »Biased poll. I’ve read through the patch notes carefully and can do math. The hardest hit will be mid tier groups in group dungeons and trials.
how is the poll bias?
Basically, it invalidates the opinion of anyone who hasn’t loaded PTS and run endgame PvE. Apparently basic math counts for nothing. If you have run vet content with non-Hodor level people, you know what I mean. It was already difficult and will get much worse. Many parts have a DPS check to complete."Get off my lawn!"12 -
LucyferLightbringer✭✭✭✭✭OtherI read the patch notes and comments of people who tested it. I pay to play this game i do not get paid to test it. It is not my job to test their stuff. I am a customer.14
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Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I have tested on the PTS and my complaints are a result of performanceI've tried out a lot of the affected skills on test, and my primary conclusion is that things take between 33% to 75% longer to kill overall.
Bottom line is: you will be spending a lot more time trying to accomplish the same things on live you try to accomplish today.2 -
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✭rotaugen454 wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »rotaugen454 wrote: »Biased poll. I’ve read through the patch notes carefully and can do math. The hardest hit will be mid tier groups in group dungeons and trials.
how is the poll bias?
Basically, it invalidates the opinion of anyone who hasn’t loaded PTS and run endgame PvE. Apparently basic math counts for nothing. If you have run vet content with non-Hodor level people, you know what I mean. It was already difficult and will get much worse. Many parts have a DPS check to complete.
Hodor?1 -
Bobby_V_Rockit✭✭✭✭✭
✭I have read the patch notes but reserve judgement as i play consoleAfter every super patch, I end up starting a new toon in a new class. I always give up on them and go home to my 2015 mag sorc. He still out everythings my other toons. I see no difference this time.Edited by Bobby_V_Rockit on September 19, 2019 1:05PM1 -
Alienoutlaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I have tested on the PTS and my complaints are a result of performancerotaugen454 wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »rotaugen454 wrote: »Biased poll. I’ve read through the patch notes carefully and can do math. The hardest hit will be mid tier groups in group dungeons and trials.
how is the poll bias?
Basically, it invalidates the opinion of anyone who hasn’t loaded PTS and run endgame PvE. Apparently basic math counts for nothing. If you have run vet content with non-Hodor level people, you know what I mean. It was already difficult and will get much worse. Many parts have a DPS check to complete.
a fair and valid point i will add another option
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Alienoutlaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I have tested on the PTS and my complaints are a result of performanceLucyferLightbringer wrote: »I read the patch notes and comments of people who tested it. I pay to play this game i do not get paid to test it. It is not my job to test their stuff. I am a customer.
a fair stand point, but as once said by a wise person on the forums if you choose not to speak out because it does not concern you then you will have nobody to speak for you when it does1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭OtherAlienoutlaw wrote: »rotaugen454 wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »rotaugen454 wrote: »Biased poll. I’ve read through the patch notes carefully and can do math. The hardest hit will be mid tier groups in group dungeons and trials.
how is the poll bias?
Basically, it invalidates the opinion of anyone who hasn’t loaded PTS and run endgame PvE. Apparently basic math counts for nothing. If you have run vet content with non-Hodor level people, you know what I mean. It was already difficult and will get much worse. Many parts have a DPS check to complete.
a fair and valid point i will add another option
ty for the feed back
Thanks, that’ll make it fairly balanced on options. There are going to be a lot of people complaining that haven’t either tested or read and evaluated patch notes, so that is a valid choice as well. I’ve seen bandwagon complaints on patches that did not majorly shift the entire game before. I hope to text on PTS this weekend, as I’m a bit nervous about how the math looks, but will reserve final judgement until I see how it plays out. There’s just too many timed enrage mechanics for DPS to take a major hit without really hurting mid tier groups.Edited by rotaugen454 on September 19, 2019 1:22PM"Get off my lawn!"0 -
DarkDeal✭✭✭Otheri don't read patch notes anymore because it's always the same [snip]
[Edited for profanity]Edited by ZOS_Bill on October 7, 2019 9:40PM5 -
Alienoutlaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I have tested on the PTS and my complaints are a result of performancerotaugen454 wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »rotaugen454 wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »rotaugen454 wrote: »Biased poll. I’ve read through the patch notes carefully and can do math. The hardest hit will be mid tier groups in group dungeons and trials.
how is the poll bias?
Basically, it invalidates the opinion of anyone who hasn’t loaded PTS and run endgame PvE. Apparently basic math counts for nothing. If you have run vet content with non-Hodor level people, you know what I mean. It was already difficult and will get much worse. Many parts have a DPS check to complete.
a fair and valid point i will add another option
ty for the feed back
Thanks, that’ll make it fairly balanced on options. There are going to be a lot of people complaining that haven’t either tested or read and evaluated patch notes, so that is a valid choice as well. I’ve seen bandwagon complaints on patches that did not majorly shift the entire game before. I hope to text on PTS this weekend, as I’m a bit nervous about how the math looks, but will reserve final judgement until I see how it plays out. There’s just too many timed enrage mechanics for DPS to take a major hit without really hurting mid tier groups.
hopefully this will help.......
*update 23*
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/488626/pc-mac-patch-notes-v5-1-5-scalebreaker-update-23#latest
*update 24 PTS-1*
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/493609/pts-patch-notes-v5-2-0#latest
when you compare them both the actual nerf is around 34% and they seem to be pushing for a 10sec rotation (PvE)
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hasi✭✭✭✭OtherI am from Console, don't own a PC whatsoever to try PTS.
Judging from the the Patch Notes tho, the Nerfs are pretty hard. No one can tell me that complaining about 60% Damage Nerf is overreacting. It's just too much of a big and rough Reduction.
Also, it will probably not lead to a "Either play Spammable, Dot or a Mix of Both"-META. Everyone with Eyes can see that they are trying to align Skills to the same Level to achieve above, but they took a wrong Path.
Especially taking a look at them Nerfing the 'OP' Scamp Pet while MagSorc already performs bad enough this Patch.
The only thing I probably like are the Major Sorcery and Brutality Thing, the Warden getting Buffs as I play one myself. But there again, I think they buffed the Warden too much. A Betty Netch that gives you Purge every 5sec, Stamina/Magicka, Major Sorcery and Brutality without any Cost?(At least that is how I understood it in the Patch Notes..)
Then the Aether Debuff on activating Swarm.. It's a bit too much.😅0 -
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The 10 second rotation might actually help people who don’t have the lightning fast twitch reflexes as their dots won’t expire long before they get back to them, so there’s at least one benefit to slightly slower players.Alienoutlaw wrote: »rotaugen454 wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »rotaugen454 wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »rotaugen454 wrote: »Biased poll. I’ve read through the patch notes carefully and can do math. The hardest hit will be mid tier groups in group dungeons and trials.
how is the poll bias?
Basically, it invalidates the opinion of anyone who hasn’t loaded PTS and run endgame PvE. Apparently basic math counts for nothing. If you have run vet content with non-Hodor level people, you know what I mean. It was already difficult and will get much worse. Many parts have a DPS check to complete.
a fair and valid point i will add another option
ty for the feed back
Thanks, that’ll make it fairly balanced on options. There are going to be a lot of people complaining that haven’t either tested or read and evaluated patch notes, so that is a valid choice as well. I’ve seen bandwagon complaints on patches that did not majorly shift the entire game before. I hope to text on PTS this weekend, as I’m a bit nervous about how the math looks, but will reserve final judgement until I see how it plays out. There’s just too many timed enrage mechanics for DPS to take a major hit without really hurting mid tier groups.
hopefully this will help.......
*update 23*
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/488626/pc-mac-patch-notes-v5-1-5-scalebreaker-update-23#latest
*update 24 PTS-1*
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/493609/pts-patch-notes-v5-2-0#latest
when you compare them both the actual nerf is around 34% and they seem to be pushing for a 10sec rotation (PvE)
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✭✭✭✭✭Otherrotaugen454 wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »rotaugen454 wrote: »Biased poll. I’ve read through the patch notes carefully and can do math. The hardest hit will be mid tier groups in group dungeons and trials.
how is the poll bias?
Basically, it invalidates the opinion of anyone who hasn’t loaded PTS and run endgame PvE. Apparently basic math counts for nothing. If you have run vet content with non-Hodor level people, you know what I mean. It was already difficult and will get much worse. Many parts have a DPS check to complete.
Hodor?
Hodor is one of the top raiding guilds in the world. Consistently getting world firsts ans fastest times. One of the 3 groups that have GodslayerBeta tester November 20130 -
Alienoutlaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I have tested on the PTS and my complaints are a result of performancerotaugen454 wrote: »
The 10 second rotation might actually help people who don’t have the lightning fast twitch reflexes as their dots won’t expire long before they get back to them, so there’s at least one benefit to slightly slower players.Alienoutlaw wrote: »rotaugen454 wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »rotaugen454 wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »rotaugen454 wrote: »Biased poll. I’ve read through the patch notes carefully and can do math. The hardest hit will be mid tier groups in group dungeons and trials.
how is the poll bias?
Basically, it invalidates the opinion of anyone who hasn’t loaded PTS and run endgame PvE. Apparently basic math counts for nothing. If you have run vet content with non-Hodor level people, you know what I mean. It was already difficult and will get much worse. Many parts have a DPS check to complete.
a fair and valid point i will add another option
ty for the feed back
Thanks, that’ll make it fairly balanced on options. There are going to be a lot of people complaining that haven’t either tested or read and evaluated patch notes, so that is a valid choice as well. I’ve seen bandwagon complaints on patches that did not majorly shift the entire game before. I hope to text on PTS this weekend, as I’m a bit nervous about how the math looks, but will reserve final judgement until I see how it plays out. There’s just too many timed enrage mechanics for DPS to take a major hit without really hurting mid tier groups.
hopefully this will help.......
*update 23*
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/488626/pc-mac-patch-notes-v5-1-5-scalebreaker-update-23#latest
*update 24 PTS-1*
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/493609/pts-patch-notes-v5-2-0#latest
when you compare them both the actual nerf is around 34% and they seem to be pushing for a 10sec rotation (PvE)
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rotaugen454✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Otherrotaugen454 wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »rotaugen454 wrote: »Biased poll. I’ve read through the patch notes carefully and can do math. The hardest hit will be mid tier groups in group dungeons and trials.
how is the poll bias?
Basically, it invalidates the opinion of anyone who hasn’t loaded PTS and run endgame PvE. Apparently basic math counts for nothing. If you have run vet content with non-Hodor level people, you know what I mean. It was already difficult and will get much worse. Many parts have a DPS check to complete.
Hodor?
Hodor is one of the top raiding guilds in the world. Consistently getting world firsts ans fastest times. One of the 3 groups that have Godslayer
I think they were using the GoT character’s line..."Get off my lawn!"4 -
Alienoutlaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I have tested on the PTS and my complaints are a result of performanceI am from Console, don't own a PC whatsoever to try PTS.
Judging from the the Patch Notes tho, the Nerfs are pretty hard. No one can tell me that complaining about 60% Damage Nerf is overreacting. It's just too much of a big and rough Reduction.
Also, it will probably not lead to a "Either play Spammable, Dot or a Mix of Both"-META. Everyone with Eyes can see that they are trying to align Skills to the same Level to achieve above, but they took a wrong Path.
Especially taking a look at them Nerfing the 'OP' Scamp Pet while MagSorc already performs bad enough this Patch.
The only thing I probably like are the Major Sorcery and Brutality Thing, the Warden getting Buffs as I play one myself. But there again, I think they buffed the Warden too much. A Betty Netch that gives you Purge every 5sec, Stamina/Magicka, Major Sorcery and Brutality without any Cost?(At least that is how I understood it in the Patch Notes..)
Then the Aether Debuff on activating Swarm.. It's a bit too much.😅
i think the idea of this patch is to stem the "meta" and encourage creative builds....hybrid builds are working very nice (i even tried a stam pet sorc) and i agree a free purge for warden is way to much (i main a warden PvP)1
