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The bashfest is real, hilariously pointless and in 2 months everything will be business as usual...
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Just like literally every single update ever, even sustain nerf fest that came with Morrowind(I may be wrong in this one, but we all know the one I'm talking about).
I get you're sad and upset, but you're just making yourself look silly... A month after this hits live, everyone of you Meta chasers will be super happy again with your new builds, doing probably the same damage or close to what you have today.
Again, this has always been true, patch after patch, nerf after nerf, and still, power creep is a thing. It's not CP anymore, that's been frozen for a while, and yet, dos is going up, and up, and up... And I'm certain it'll be fine after this patch too.
Cry all you need to cry, it's good to let it out, it may even soften the changes on next pts cycles, but still... Changes will come, and we will eventually work around them. It's the nature of the beast... Not just ESO, any MMO ever. This isn't new, just weird and aggressive, but definitely nothing all that bad.
Have a good day and try to have some fun.
I get you're sad and upset, but you're just making yourself look silly... A month after this hits live, everyone of you Meta chasers will be super happy again with your new builds, doing probably the same damage or close to what you have today.
Again, this has always been true, patch after patch, nerf after nerf, and still, power creep is a thing. It's not CP anymore, that's been frozen for a while, and yet, dos is going up, and up, and up... And I'm certain it'll be fine after this patch too.
Cry all you need to cry, it's good to let it out, it may even soften the changes on next pts cycles, but still... Changes will come, and we will eventually work around them. It's the nature of the beast... Not just ESO, any MMO ever. This isn't new, just weird and aggressive, but definitely nothing all that bad.
Have a good day and try to have some fun.
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✭✭✭Just like literally every single update ever, even sustain nerf fest that came with Morrowind(I may be wrong in this one, but we all know the one I'm talking about).
I get you're sad and upset, but you're just making yourself look silly... A month after this hits live, everyone of you Meta chasers will be super happy again with your new builds, doing probably the same damage or close to what you have today.
Again, this has always been true, patch after patch, nerf after nerf, and still, power creep is a thing. It's not CP anymore, that's been frozen for a while, and yet, dos is going up, and up, and up... And I'm certain it'll be fine after this patch too.
Cry all you need to cry, it's good to let it out, it may even soften the changes on next pts cycles, but still... Changes will come, and we will eventually work around them. It's the nature of the beast... Not just ESO, any MMO ever. This isn't new, just weird and aggressive, but definitely nothing all that bad.
Have a good day and try to have some fun.
So your logic is that because people reacted badly to patches before, and it turned out OK, that it must be true again this patch?
That's ... irrational. You're just being contrary and not actually paying attention to what changed.56 -
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✭✭I'm not a meta-chaser. I'm someone who is heartily sick of every skill I'm using getting nerfed to the ground. I tried an unviable build just a few weeks ago and spent every minute over a couple of months leveling skills to see if I could find something that worked.
I learned one major lesson: I hate leveling skills. Passionately. That is the epitome of not fun, IMHO, and being forced to do it again for my existing toon (petsorc) that would be going through Elsweyr Part 2 is bloody infuriating. I refuse. So I uninstalled. I'm done.
I'll see if things have settled down next year when I'm less annoyed and jaded. But for now, seeing the forum outcry is kind of tberapeutic. At least I know I'm not alone
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GlorphNoldorin✭✭✭✭✭A roughly 50-60% decrease in damage with cost increase for a major damage type....... not sure there has been anything like this in the past
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✭✭GlorphNoldorin wrote: »A roughly 50-60% decrease in damage with cost increase for a major damage type....... not sure there has been anything like this in the past
Ergo can’t base past on present
Decrease in dots, not damage. That's why people should calm down a bit. and even then, it's 30% or so, maybe 40, compared same builds. New builds will do more damage and that's what "adapt" means. It sucks, I agree, but saying it's 50% damage nerf as in "I'm only doing half damage now" is straight false.
And yes, I'm saying, without any doubt whatsoever, it'll all be fine and fun again a few weeks after this goes live, and "power creep" will become the word of the day again. You can print this.
Again, this is just the nature of the beast, it'll change, we'll adapt, it'll change, we'll adapt... This isn't new. Go searching for sustain nerf threads, you'll know what I'm talking about. The outcry then was even worse. Much worse in fact, considering people weren't so annoyed and tired just yet.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The people that left the game during changes that they disliked in the past are not here to tell you that they left. People will leave for a variety of reasons every patch. Don't go thinking that it's all just crying and no action. A great many left with Morrowind. I'm sure more than a few will leave with this patch. Will the game go on? Of course it will. People complain because they want to stay and enjoy the game, not leave to try and find something better.
The players that stay will move on and play whatever the meta shifts to or continue playing what they did before. It's the players that leave that have no voice after the fact.13 -
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✭✭jainiadral wrote: »I'm not a meta-chaser. I'm someone who is heartily sick of every skill I'm using getting nerfed to the ground. I tried an unviable build just a few weeks ago and spent every minute over a couple of months leveling skills to see if I could find something that worked.
I learned one major lesson: I hate leveling skills. Passionately. That is the epitome of not fun, IMHO, and being forced to do it again for my existing toon (petsorc) that would be going through Elsweyr Part 2 is bloody infuriating. I refuse. So I uninstalled. I'm done.
I'll see if things have settled down next year when I'm less annoyed and jaded. But for now, seeing the forum outcry is kind of tberapeutic. At least I know I'm not alone
I agree with you, leveling skills is annooooying! I'm not saying people shouldn't be upset, I'm saying only it'll be ok, and over exaggerating isn't gonna help. Example: if a certain president calls something "FAKE NEWS!", does anyone take him seriously? No... Why? Because he abused the expression and it's lost its meaning and power. Same here... Outcry is one thing, end of the world outcry is another...3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭LiquidPony wrote: »Just like literally every single update ever, even sustain nerf fest that came with Morrowind(I may be wrong in this one, but we all know the one I'm talking about).
I get you're sad and upset, but you're just making yourself look silly... A month after this hits live, everyone of you Meta chasers will be super happy again with your new builds, doing probably the same damage or close to what you have today.
Again, this has always been true, patch after patch, nerf after nerf, and still, power creep is a thing. It's not CP anymore, that's been frozen for a while, and yet, dos is going up, and up, and up... And I'm certain it'll be fine after this patch too.
Cry all you need to cry, it's good to let it out, it may even soften the changes on next pts cycles, but still... Changes will come, and we will eventually work around them. It's the nature of the beast... Not just ESO, any MMO ever. This isn't new, just weird and aggressive, but definitely nothing all that bad.
Have a good day and try to have some fun.
So your logic is that because people reacted badly to patches before, and it turned out OK, that it must be true again this patch?
That's ... irrational. You're just being contrary and not actually paying attention to what changed.
Wouldn't it be more irrational to assume it wouldn't? If it's worked out in the previous patches and turned out OK - why wouldn't it be rational to assume it would this time as well? It seems to me that is the very definition of rational behavior.
In any case: even if this patch is somehow disastrous for the game (which I severely doubt) the boy who cries wolf parable would aptly apply here. So you can't really blame anyone for taking the approach the OP has considering every previous update in memory has had exactly this kind of apocalyptic reaction. There is only so many times someone can cry wolf before people stop taking it seriously. And I believe we are well passed that point.
But as the author of this thread suggested - power creep is a real thing and it's not the end of the world for developers to take steps to address it. If they over step it they'll likely take steps to correct it - as they did with the recent DoT damage changes.Edited by Jeremy on September 18, 2019 1:34AM7 -
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✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »The people that left the game during changes that they disliked in the past are not here to tell you that they left. People will leave for a variety of reasons every patch. Don't go thinking that it's all just crying and no action. A great many left with Morrowind. I'm sure more than a few will leave with this patch. Will the game go on? Of course it will. People complain because they want to stay and enjoy the game, not leave to try and find something better.
The players that stay will move on and play whatever the meta shifts to or continue playing what they did before. It's the players that leave that have no voice after the fact.
I agree with you, but my point is that those that stayed and adapted are now even better than before. You know why? Because they stayed, learned and improved.
If anything, going back to my title, in a couple months it'll be all fine again, as long as you stay.
I'm not denying the frustrating aspect of this whole thing, just the fact that people make it feel like the world has ended, and it's not. Just a bit of chaos and uncertainty, but it'll not last long. Never does, never will.5 -
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✭✭jainiadral wrote: »I'm not a meta-chaser. I'm someone who is heartily sick of every skill I'm using getting nerfed to the ground. I tried an unviable build just a few weeks ago and spent every minute over a couple of months leveling skills to see if I could find something that worked.
I learned one major lesson: I hate leveling skills. Passionately. That is the epitome of not fun, IMHO, and being forced to do it again for my existing toon (petsorc) that would be going through Elsweyr Part 2 is bloody infuriating. I refuse. So I uninstalled. I'm done.
I'll see if things have settled down next year when I'm less annoyed and jaded. But for now, seeing the forum outcry is kind of tberapeutic. At least I know I'm not alone
I agree with you, leveling skills is annooooying! I'm not saying people shouldn't be upset, I'm saying only it'll be ok, and over exaggerating isn't gonna help. Example: if a certain president calls something "FAKE NEWS!", does anyone take him seriously? No... Why? Because he abused the expression and it's lost its meaning and power. Same here... Outcry is one thing, end of the world outcry is another...
Well, it's not ok in my book It's game-endingly bad for me. I really wasn't ready to leave yet, but ZOS made the decision for me. So, yeah lol 9 -
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✭✭jainiadral wrote: »jainiadral wrote: »I'm not a meta-chaser. I'm someone who is heartily sick of every skill I'm using getting nerfed to the ground. I tried an unviable build just a few weeks ago and spent every minute over a couple of months leveling skills to see if I could find something that worked.
I learned one major lesson: I hate leveling skills. Passionately. That is the epitome of not fun, IMHO, and being forced to do it again for my existing toon (petsorc) that would be going through Elsweyr Part 2 is bloody infuriating. I refuse. So I uninstalled. I'm done.
I'll see if things have settled down next year when I'm less annoyed and jaded. But for now, seeing the forum outcry is kind of tberapeutic. At least I know I'm not alone
I agree with you, leveling skills is annooooying! I'm not saying people shouldn't be upset, I'm saying only it'll be ok, and over exaggerating isn't gonna help. Example: if a certain president calls something "FAKE NEWS!", does anyone take him seriously? No... Why? Because he abused the expression and it's lost its meaning and power. Same here... Outcry is one thing, end of the world outcry is another...
Well, it's not ok in my book It's game-endingly bad for me. I really wasn't ready to leave yet, but ZOS made the decision for me. So, yeah lol
Sorry to hear. I hope you find something better
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GlorphNoldorin✭✭✭✭✭I should have been a little clearer. About 50% decrease in ST dot damage ( a type of damage which I said earlier)
I can not remember this being done before especially with a cost increase as well.
I never said damage is the same as dps.
You say a dps loss of 30% which I would agree with and seems to be what is showing on the pts.
Sure people will adapt somewhat, but this is not like any other update we have seen, significantly hampers difficult dps checks in end game pve, and with no reduction in healing significantly alters pvp balance.
I am pretty happy with the relevance of my original commentEdited by GlorphNoldorin on September 18, 2019 10:55AM6 -
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✭✭GlorphNoldorin wrote: »I should have been a little clearer. About 50% decrease in ST dot damage ( a type of damage which I said earlier)
I can not remember this being done before especially with a cost increase as well.
I never said damage is the same as dps.
You say a dps loss of 30% which I would agree with and seems to be what is showing on the pts.
Sure people will adapt somewhat, but this is not like any other update we have seen, significantly hampers difficult dos checks in end game pve, and with no reduction in healing significantly alters pvp balance.
I am pretty happy with the relevance of my original comment
I'll give you the HoT argument, that one will be interesting to watch, specially on CP campaign. Without dot Meta, it may be really hard to overcome vigors and the likes.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »The people that left the game during changes that they disliked in the past are not here to tell you that they left. People will leave for a variety of reasons every patch. Don't go thinking that it's all just crying and no action. A great many left with Morrowind. I'm sure more than a few will leave with this patch. Will the game go on? Of course it will. People complain because they want to stay and enjoy the game, not leave to try and find something better.
The players that stay will move on and play whatever the meta shifts to or continue playing what they did before. It's the players that leave that have no voice after the fact.
I agree with you, but my point is that those that stayed and adapted are now even better than before. You know why? Because they stayed, learned and improved.
If anything, going back to my title, in a couple months it'll be all fine again, as long as you stay.
I'm not denying the frustrating aspect of this whole thing, just the fact that people make it feel like the world has ended, and it's not. Just a bit of chaos and uncertainty, but it'll not last long. Never does, never will.
For those that choose to stay, it will be fine. My point was that each person has a breaking point. For some it will be when the servers finally go down. I've seen some people quit because they said sorcs didn't have a large enough army of pets for their liking. 20 minutes into the game they were on to something else. Most other people fall in the middle somewhere. Each and every update has made sacrifices in player count, some more than others. I'm not sure it's a good idea to throw long term players away to attrition unless it's absolutely necessary. The dev team has run the numbers and are ok with the calculated losses. That's their prerogative. From my point of view, I don't want to see friends and guildmates leave over such drastic changes and I'd hate to be leaving myself when I hit my break point eventually.
I guess I'm saying that I don't personally feel these current proposed changes are worth the loss in players, even if the game continues. I'd like to think they could accomplish some sort of similar goal without aggravating the playerbase. They knew what they were doing was going to be controversial. I'd hate to think about what ideas they threw away before settling on these proposed changes.3 -
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✭Wouldn't it be more irrational to assume it wouldn't?
In my view no, these are independent events. However we might construe some pattern from how things evolved during the PTS cycle, and if they were favorable, then whining on the forum was possibly effective.
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✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »The people that left the game during changes that they disliked in the past are not here to tell you that they left. People will leave for a variety of reasons every patch. Don't go thinking that it's all just crying and no action. A great many left with Morrowind. I'm sure more than a few will leave with this patch. Will the game go on? Of course it will. People complain because they want to stay and enjoy the game, not leave to try and find something better.
The players that stay will move on and play whatever the meta shifts to or continue playing what they did before. It's the players that leave that have no voice after the fact.
I agree with you, but my point is that those that stayed and adapted are now even better than before. You know why? Because they stayed, learned and improved.
If anything, going back to my title, in a couple months it'll be all fine again, as long as you stay.
I'm not denying the frustrating aspect of this whole thing, just the fact that people make it feel like the world has ended, and it's not. Just a bit of chaos and uncertainty, but it'll not last long. Never does, never will.
For those that choose to stay, it will be fine. My point was that each person has a breaking point. For some it will be when the servers finally go down. I've seen some people quit because they said sorcs didn't have a large enough army of pets for their liking. 20 minutes into the game they were on to something else. Most other people fall in the middle somewhere. Each and every update has made sacrifices in player count, some more than others. I'm not sure it's a good idea to throw long term players away to attrition unless it's absolutely necessary. The dev team has run the numbers and are ok with the calculated losses. That's their prerogative. From my point of view, I don't want to see friends and guildmates leave over such drastic changes and I'd hate to be leaving myself when I hit my break point eventually.
I guess I'm saying that I don't personally feel these current proposed changes are worth the loss in players, even if the game continues. I'd like to think they could accomplish some sort of similar goal without aggravating the playerbase. They knew what they were doing was going to be controversial. I'd hate to think about what ideas they threw away before settling on these proposed changes.
This last bit is the actually scary part, if we got what we got. That said, they also know their player base is comprised of casuals more than anything, and if HC end game streamers bring people in, it's also true that dot meta was ultimately boring. No skills involved whatsoever, just apply a bunch and avoid the stupid, and let the enemy burn.
Hopefully, they know what they are doing, and since the game seems to be growing and being constantly updated, it's probably paying off. I'm fine with being annoyed with rebuilds if the game survives.
If all my friends would leave though, then it would kill the game to me too, but luckily my friends will most likely stay through any update.2 -
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✭✭Urzigurumash wrote: »
I agree with this, to the degree the devs allow. They don't change much on pts but they do a little bit.0 -
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✭Just like literally every single update ever, even sustain nerf fest that came with Morrowind(I may be wrong in this one, but we all know the one I'm talking about).
I get you're sad and upset, but you're just making yourself look silly... A month after this hits live, everyone of you Meta chasers will be super happy again with your new builds, doing probably the same damage or close to what you have today.
Again, this has always been true, patch after patch, nerf after nerf, and still, power creep is a thing. It's not CP anymore, that's been frozen for a while, and yet, dos is going up, and up, and up... And I'm certain it'll be fine after this patch too.
Cry all you need to cry, it's good to let it out, it may even soften the changes on next pts cycles, but still... Changes will come, and we will eventually work around them. It's the nature of the beast... Not just ESO, any MMO ever. This isn't new, just weird and aggressive, but definitely nothing all that bad.
Have a good day and try to have some fun.
I agree in a way.
I only have two characters and the Healer is the only one I use for endgame, in the end after struggling a little, I get used to the changes and I don't have problems anymore.
With my other character, the Sorcerer, I could never get used to the change they made to Surge, but they will be "fixed" it in the next update.
I still think they are very drastic changes in a very short time, I think that ZOS has already lost its way in terms of gameplay and they don't know how to fix it.
But ESO is the only thing that I have been playing in the last five years and I will continue playing...
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Commancho✭✭✭✭✭The same people who were crying for game being too easy are crying now for being too difficult. You wanted nerfs, here you go. Smart ones will adapt while cry babies will keep crying. Devs should stop reading forum and don't listen to hypocrites. They should get a free hand instead to complete rebalancing and stick to their true vision of the game.7
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✭✭✭✭I didn't want nerfs. Or buffs. I just want to be able to play a build for more than 2 weeks before it gets thrown out the window.29 -
Halcyon_blue✭✭✭They buffed dots last patch by 50% ish... forum goes up in flames about a skill-less DOT meta.
They adjust dots a proportion back down again... forum goes up in flames about the "constant" nerfs.
This is why humans can't have nice things.Edited by Halcyon_blue on September 18, 2019 3:19AM8 -
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✭✭Halcyon_blue wrote: »They buffed dots last patch by 50% ish... forum goes up in flames about a skill-less DOT meta.
They adjust dots a proportion back down again... forum goes up in flames about the "constant" nerfs.
This is why humans can't have nice things.
You say this like we're back where we were at Elsweyr launch. But Scalebreaker nerfed all ground AOE dots by 30-40%. And the proposed Dragonhold adjustment takes them down by another 30% or so, and then tacks on a 50% cost increase. (for the most part). There's nothing being substantially buffed that will compensate for that, so yes, people are looking at losing significant amounts of damage.8 -
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✭✭kringled_1 wrote: »Halcyon_blue wrote: »They buffed dots last patch by 50% ish... forum goes up in flames about a skill-less DOT meta.
They adjust dots a proportion back down again... forum goes up in flames about the "constant" nerfs.
This is why humans can't have nice things.
You say this like we're back where we were at Elsweyr launch. But Scalebreaker nerfed all ground AOE dots by 30-40%. And the proposed Dragonhold adjustment takes them down by another 30% or so, and then tacks on a 50% cost increase. (for the most part). There's nothing being substantially buffed that will compensate for that, so yes, people are looking at losing significant amounts of damage.
I'm almost willing to bet parses will be even higher than before, just because it would be hilarious.
Seriously though... You're thinking about a current meta that's being nerfed, but you forget that the game has so many other skills that people simply stopped using this time around in favor of more dots. They are called spammables... Hehe new rotations will come and DPS will be fine. I promise you. All it takes is replacing skills and getting new rotation, as per usual. How much of that 30-40% relative loss will be recovered, hard to say yet, but it will be close enough that it won't matter for most people. Remember... 5% loss for most people isn't even 1k damage... That's RNG range.... You can lose 1k DPS of you sneeze during a fight...
So all this only matters for the 35k+ people, where 5% is close to 2k DPS and that's already on appreciable range. And even here... Only against a dummy. On real world situations, maybe not so much of a difference either.
No... This isn't a good patch for DPS at all, but far from being terrible, even further from being what the forum dwellers seem to believe. Let's give it a week and see what comes...3 -
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✭✭✭It'll be business as usual because new people won't know any better, and existing people have no choice but to deal with the changes.
Is there less complaining this round because all those people who posted "I quit" threads for the previous update actually did quit?0 -
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✭✭Dusk_Coven wrote: »It'll be business as usual because new people won't know any better, and existing people have no choice but to deal with the changes.
Is there less complaining this round because all those people who posted "I quit" threads for the previous update actually did quit?
But do you think it's less complaining? Have you seen the first three pages of general? But yeah, some will quit, some will come, and that's shows they didn't destroy the game, just some people failed to adapt, got bored or upset, and left. If game was ruined, according to some it is, none would come, I think.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Just like literally every single update ever, even sustain nerf fest that came with Morrowind(I may be wrong in this one, but we all know the one I'm talking about).
I get you're sad and upset, but you're just making yourself look silly... A month after this hits live, everyone of you Meta chasers will be super happy again with your new builds, doing probably the same damage or close to what you have today.
Again, this has always been true, patch after patch, nerf after nerf, and still, power creep is a thing. It's not CP anymore, that's been frozen for a while, and yet, dos is going up, and up, and up... And I'm certain it'll be fine after this patch too.
Cry all you need to cry, it's good to let it out, it may even soften the changes on next pts cycles, but still... Changes will come, and we will eventually work around them. It's the nature of the beast... Not just ESO, any MMO ever. This isn't new, just weird and aggressive, but definitely nothing all that bad.
Have a good day and try to have some fun.
Yeah its posts like these that need to go away far more than players actually expressing their disappointment or even anger over changes to the game. One serves an actual purpose even if it gets tiresome to see, and the other...the other is just posts made by people looking to stir the pot.
At least the players expressing anger over the changes are providing ZOS feedback and driving discussion. If you dont like it, just dont go into those threads. Plenty of conversations going on that dont revolve around the patch notes.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax10 -
Halcyon_blue✭✭✭[/quote] One serves an actual purpose even if it gets tiresome to see, and the other...the other is just posts made by people looking to stir the pot.
At least the players expressing anger over the changes are providing ZOS feedback and driving discussion. If you dont like it, just dont go into those threads. Plenty of conversations going on that dont revolve around the patch notes. [/quote]
Hang on, there is a significant distinction between quantitative, fact- and empirical-based feedback that provides insights that can be used for decision making and action....
And feedback that is just in essence an emotional outburst and desire to be validated along the lines of an echo chamber.
DPS has increased to over the top levels in the last year. That's not up for debate.
DPS overall *may* be reduced based on the PTS patch notes iteration 1.0 . That hasn't been tested sufficiently, current posts are using like for like builds... essentially being unable to factor a new meta alternative.
Raw DPS, other than for egoic purposes, serves no purpose though - it's counter-play (pvp) and trial clears/ achievement hurdles (pve) that does matter. And no one had yet given any compelling evidence on this.
So no, imho there's been no feedback that's been remotely helpful to this discussion yet. Ergo, stop with the histrionics please.
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One serves an actual purpose even if it gets tiresome to see, and the other...the other is just posts made by people looking to stir the pot.Halcyon_blue wrote: »
At least the players expressing anger over the changes are providing ZOS feedback and driving discussion. If you dont like it, just dont go into those threads. Plenty of conversations going on that dont revolve around the patch notes. [/quote]
Hang on, there is a significant distinction between quantitative, fact- and empirical-based feedback that provides insights that can be used for decision making and action....
And feedback that is just in essence an emotional outburst and desire to be validated along the lines of an echo chamber.
DPS has increased to over the top levels in the last year. That's not up for debate.
DPS overall *may* be reduced based on the PTS patch notes iteration 1.0 . That hasn't been tested sufficiently, current posts are using like for like builds... essentially being unable to factor a new meta alternative.
Raw DPS, other than for egoic purposes, serves no purpose though - it's counter-play (pvp) and trial clears/ achievement hurdles (pve) that does matter. And no one had yet given any compelling evidence on this.
So no, imho there's been no feedback that's been remotely helpful to this discussion yet. Ergo, stop with the histrionics please.
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I had trouble choosing between agree, insightful and awesome.0 -
sionIV✭✭✭✭✭There are two social experiments that you can look at on the ESO forum.
1. There will always people complaining.
2. There will always be people who defend just about anything.
The irony is that the second group somehow feel that their opinion is more just/correct than the first group.
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