Yay - my main original char pet sorc nerfed again!

daemondamian · September 2019

TLDR: my new build based on what they changed in the previous patch is now ***, my dps is weak asf because I dont light weave, I'm excluded from 30% of content so wtf am I getting ESO+ for and how am i supposed to put up with continually rebuilding my pet sorc let alone my other 11 alt chars?

SirAndy wrote: »

Kaunas wrote: »

no idea what the fuss is about even more

Some Sorcs liked the dots and made a working build around that. Useless now ...

Just because you like to play a specific way doesn't mean there's aren't people out there who prefer a different playstyle ...

I am one such Sorc, a pet sorc (just the VF) in particular who made my way through the upheaval of Nerfmire, dropping the use of shields and adapted my playstyle to be not that great but okayish for most but not vet DLC or endgame trial content.

Then the last patch arrived and I decided to completely revisit my skills and playstyle and it was worth it!

This is the build:

Necropotence and Mothers Sorrow, Thief Mundus, Slimecraw/Iceheart/Skoria. Lightning staff bar: Dark conversion, boundless storm, wall of unstable elements, liquid lightning, VF, Shooting Star.

Inferno Staff: Crystal Fragments, Degeneration, Soul Splitting Trap, Deadric Prey, VF Summon Storm Atronach.

(Spell crit potion for major prophecy).

I've been doing content I wouldn't have considered before and contributing positively to groups as a confident, useful dps.

ICP on vet - it was still demanding of attention and being careful but I didn't feel like dead weight or a useless dps member, I even did some normal trials and was thrilled to finally be able to farm the BIS meta sets for my characters.

For a time it was glorious and fun but now it seems I've been pushed down into the mud again.

With DoTs being nerfed, I'm forced to either use spammables or light weaving, which I never excelled in and or go back to being the boring heavy staff attacking, pet sorc with weak barely noticeable AOE/DOT skills and low dps disqualifying me from playing or farming.

I will stick with ESO until I've gained as most achievements on my main pet sorc as I can (excluding those impossible for me to get) and have done most of the content but if these changes keep happening and light weaving, quick reflexes remain the only way to do 30% of the content without being carried then I'm going to find an MMORPG that doesn't rely on such mechanics.

P.S. "Major and Minor Ward have been discontinued." Are. You. F'ing. Kidding. Me? So my characters that are already glass canons, built for dps who have to rely on healers and tanks in group content that don't always serve their function particularly well are going to be weaker, more easily killed with lesser defences.

So um what play as a tank or healer or META BIS DPS who light weaves and has superb hand eye coordination and crystal clear focused attention or only play overland and normal 'easier' dungeons AKA City of Ash 1, Spindleclutch 1, Crypt of Hearts 1, Fungal Grotto 1 or simply GTFO?

Was going to list all the changes that mean I have to completely rebuild my pet sorc build and/or accept being a wet noodle dps such as

"Summon Unstable Familiar:
Reduced the damage of this ability and its morphs’ basic attack by approximately 17%.
Increased the cost of the special activate of this ability and the Volatile Familiar morph to 4500, up from 2808.
Increased the duration of the special activate to 10 seconds, up from 8.
The base cost of summoning these abilities has been streamlined to 3510."

"Lightning Splash:
Increased the base duration of this ability and its morphs to 10 seconds, up from 8.
Increased the base cost to 4950, up from 3024.
Reduced the damage per tick by approximately 33%."

"Destructive Touch: Decreased the damage per tick of this ability and the Destructive Reach morph by approximately 63%.
Wall of Elements:
Increased the base duration of this ability and its morphs to 10 seconds, up from 8.
Increased base cost to 4950, up from 3024.
Reduced the damage per tick by approximately 32%."

from https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/493609/pts-patch-notes-v5-2-0#latest

but just can't be bothered now - it seems like I've just been royally f'd over not to mention my other 11 alt characters who will all probably need reskilling/building and skill leveling up again not to mention new sets or different enchants.

I'm guessing too that some of the sets I have farmed/am farming for my alts have been rendered useless or not BIS now that new sets are here too.

I may add an additional post when I've discovered just how nerfed/broken/useless this and my other 11 char builds are now.

FierceSam · September 2019

My one bar pet sorc can still do all the content on the PTS that I am doing on the real server.

It’s not a DPS machine, but it doesn’t die and it can clear all the content I’m testing it in.

I haven’t noticed any great change in soloing content with it.

I’m thinking it can still be a valuable part of any group or trials set up.

BrianLovesLisa · September 2019

FierceSam wrote: »

My one bar pet sorc can still do all the content on the PTS that I am doing on the real server.

It’s not a DPS machine, but it doesn’t die and it can clear all the content I’m testing it in.

I haven’t noticed any great change in soloing content with it.

I’m thinking it can still be a valuable part of any group or trials set up.

go do vMA

heaven13 · September 2019

daemondamian wrote: »

*snipped for brevity*

P.S. "Major and Minor Ward have been discontinued." Are. You. F'ing. Kidding. Me? So my characters that are already glass canons, built for dps who have to rely on healers and tanks in group content that don't always serve their function particularly well are going to be weaker, more easily killed with lesser defences.

I am absolutely not defending these patch notes but I do want to point out the full point of the above.

5.2.0 Patch Notes wrote:

Major and Minor Resolve now grant an equal amount of Physical and Spell Resistance, and Major and Minor Ward have been discontinued.

Resolve and Ward used to do different things. Resolve was physical, Ward was spell. Now Resolve will cover both so Ward would be redundant and thus will be removed as a separate thing.

daemondamian · September 2019

heaven13 wrote: »

daemondamian wrote: »

*snipped for brevity*

P.S. "Major and Minor Ward have been discontinued." Are. You. F'ing. Kidding. Me? So my characters that are already glass canons, built for dps who have to rely on healers and tanks in group content that don't always serve their function particularly well are going to be weaker, more easily killed with lesser defences.

I am absolutely not defending these patch notes but I do want to point out the full point of the above.

5.2.0 Patch Notes wrote:

Major and Minor Resolve now grant an equal amount of Physical and Spell Resistance, and Major and Minor Ward have been discontinued.

Resolve and Ward used to do different things. Resolve was physical, Ward was spell. Now Resolve will cover both so Ward would be redundant and thus will be removed as a separate thing.

Thank you for pointing this out - it makes sense now

HappyLittleTree · September 2019

Just. Adapt.

daemondamian · September 2019

FierceSam wrote: »

My one bar pet sorc can still do all the content on the PTS that I am doing on the real server.

It’s not a DPS machine, but it doesn’t die and it can clear all the content I’m testing it in.

I haven’t noticed any great change in soloing content with it.

I’m thinking it can still be a valuable part of any group or trials set up.

Yeah I've tried using 1 bar pet sorc for things like VMA and it sucks. I was able to solo many WB and dungeons before the DoT build but that's with my solo build setup wearing Bahraha's Curse and Plague Dr which i still default to with some soloed content.

Matthew_Galvanus · September 2019

HappyLittleTree wrote: »

Just. Adapt.

Spoken. like. a. stamblade.

seriously, there are only so many times they can nerf a playstyle before it becomes unusable. last patch they completely turned the sorcerer meta on its head and ushered in a dot meta, now they are destroying dot viability while keeping the nerfs they made last patch, so what is left?

Megatto · September 2019

Kill all pet sorcs and pet wardens. Save our cities.

Kagukan · September 2019

DoT's were fine and I used them. It was a fun and different play style while it lasted. I didn't feel OP in anyway and I play both PvE and PvP. In PvP 99% of the players were able to counter the DoT's no problem. The other 1% cried loud and hard. Now on PTS DoT's are worthless. Unfortunate that bad PvP players killed a fun and unique play style.

Holmarion19 · September 2019

It was particularly disappointing that Brian and Gilliam scrolled past this change on the 'explanatory' stream with the reason that "there is also some pet stuff in there" (or words to that effect). Whilst the intention behind the stream was much appreciated, and it was also clear that they were pushed for time, it was all too easy for those of us who have invested time and emotion in our little digital toons to be left feeling like Strangers at the Feast.

BNOC · September 2019

daemondamian wrote: »

So um what play as a tank or healer or META BIS DPS who light weaves and has superb hand eye coordination and crystal clear focused attention or only play overland and normal 'easier' dungeons AKA City of Ash 1, Spindleclutch 1, Crypt of Hearts 1, Fungal Grotto 1 or simply GTFO?

Apply that to anything, understand the level of entitlement and how daft it is.

Yes, if you don't have the skills to be an F1 driver, you should stick to driving to the shops in a Fiat 500 instead.

HowlKimchi · September 2019

Light attack weaving is the single biggest thing you can do to improve DPS. Learn it.

As the saying goes: "play how you want........... but seriously weave in your light attacks"

Numerikuu · September 2019

HappyLittleTree wrote: »

Just. Adapt.

No. Quit. Stop giving your money and time to a company that has zero vision for its game and gives zero *** for its community. That's what most of us have done.

Inb4 Steam numbers drop by another few thousand when this next disaster of a patch releases, just like they did with the last release, and the one before that, and the one before that-

khajiitNPC · September 2019

False. They have clearly defined their vision you just don’t like it. Poor lil guy. Here’s a tissue. Go clean your self up.

Moloch1514 · September 2019

HappyLittleTree wrote: »

Just. Adapt.

We just did that!! And before that patch, and before that patch. It is crazy to be able to use a build for more than 2.5 months?

daemondamian · September 2019

BNOC wrote: »

daemondamian wrote: »

So um what play as a tank or healer or META BIS DPS who light weaves and has superb hand eye coordination and crystal clear focused attention or only play overland and normal 'easier' dungeons AKA City of Ash 1, Spindleclutch 1, Crypt of Hearts 1, Fungal Grotto 1 or simply GTFO?

Apply that to anything, understand the level of entitlement and how daft it is.

Yes, if you don't have the skills to be an F1 driver, you should stick to driving to the shops in a Fiat 500 instead.

The level of entitlement mmm? Daft mmm? Should stick to driving a Fiat 500 if one doesn't have the skills to be an F1 driver mmm?

Okay so let me just address that mmm?

First I'm in Australia, latency is often 320ish and often I hit a skill button and have to wait .5-1 second for it to actually activate such that sometimes I will hit it twice thinking i didn't hit it properly to work the first time.

Aside from that fact yes I did have poor hand-eye coordination as a kid and was terrible at sports (still not great), due to having been in a car accident when I was 16 and other health issues including pain I take medications which slow my responses down and can cause concentration/focus issues.

So due to not being at 100% physical and mental health, that puts me at a disadvantage - not just due to the conditions but the medication I take to deal with such conditions.

There are other people/players out who are also not at 100% as other players might be and have a condition, illness, impairment or disability, either physical and or mental/cognitive that affects their ability to react with lightning fast reflexes, to coordinate their movements and or have the concentration to successfully perform light weaving and maintain an optimal rotation to increase their dps.

But according to you who I shall presume is someone without any such issues or disadvantages I'm the entitled one because an online fantasy world game I and others play that restricts content and items to those who in the top tier with skills/abilities, and reflexes to engage in combat with particular mechanics (specific combinations of inputs in a fast coordinated succession) more common to a combat game, or racing or platform jumping game thinks that that is kind of unfair?

Maybe you would like to step down from your elitist pedestal and consider what it is like for people who are not like you and may struggle to achieve what you can with seemingly so little effort and the fact that are MMORPGs out there that have combat that isn't based on mechanics more familiar to other genres of games already mentioned above?

Elder Scrolls Online is a fantasy game, not a racing game - one shouldn't have to master (metaphorically speaking) mechanics for F1 driving, let alone a fiat 500 in a game set in a world where speed is measured by how fast your mount can go or how fast you can sprint.

(Apologies for the multiple mmm's but just finished watched The Dark Crystal AoR and they seemed apt lol).

barney2525 · September 2019

BNOC wrote: »

daemondamian wrote: »

So um what play as a tank or healer or META BIS DPS who light weaves and has superb hand eye coordination and crystal clear focused attention or only play overland and normal 'easier' dungeons AKA City of Ash 1, Spindleclutch 1, Crypt of Hearts 1, Fungal Grotto 1 or simply GTFO?

Apply that to anything, understand the level of entitlement and how daft it is.

Yes, if you don't have the skills to be an F1 driver, you should stick to driving to the shops in a Fiat 500 instead.

wtf?

you sound like you are blaming the Player.

They have HAD the skills to be an F1 driver.... until this patch

Through No fault of their own, the situation changed, and they no longer 'qualify' so to speak.

The player did not change the rules and nerf the character into oblivion.

They have a right to complain. Got nothing to do with 'entitlement'.

IMHO

InvictusApollo · September 2019

daemondamian wrote: »

TLDR: my new build based on what they changed in the previous patch is now ***, my dps is weak asf because I dont light weave, I'm excluded from 30% of content so wtf am I getting ESO+ for and how am i supposed to put up with continually rebuilding my pet sorc let alone my other 11 alt chars?

You have 12 characters and yet you still haven't learned how to LA weave?

daemondamian · September 2019

InvictusApollo wrote: »

daemondamian wrote: »

TLDR: my new build based on what they changed in the previous patch is now ***, my dps is weak asf because I dont light weave, I'm excluded from 30% of content so wtf am I getting ESO+ for and how am i supposed to put up with continually rebuilding my pet sorc let alone my other 11 alt chars?

You have 12 characters and yet you still haven't learned how to LA weave?

To be fair three are tanks, three are healers and the others are dps so that's only 6 dps character that I still haven't learned to weave with yet

and as I previously noted aside from latency and poor hand eye coordination I take medication for health issues that affects my ability to do so as well as others might.

daemondamian · September 2019

barney2525 wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

daemondamian wrote: »

So um what play as a tank or healer or META BIS DPS who light weaves and has superb hand eye coordination and crystal clear focused attention or only play overland and normal 'easier' dungeons AKA City of Ash 1, Spindleclutch 1, Crypt of Hearts 1, Fungal Grotto 1 or simply GTFO?

Apply that to anything, understand the level of entitlement and how daft it is.

Yes, if you don't have the skills to be an F1 driver, you should stick to driving to the shops in a Fiat 500 instead.

wtf?

you sound like you are blaming the Player.

They have HAD the skills to be an F1 driver.... until this patch

Through No fault of their own, the situation changed, and they no longer 'qualify' so to speak.

The player did not change the rules and nerf the character into oblivion.

They have a right to complain. Got nothing to do with 'entitlement'.

IMHO

Thanks for making this point that I was able to reach good dps but the developers decided to change the game and now I won't - not because I'm not good enough but because they made it so that I was good enough with the previous patch but now they changing it with this patch so I won't be.