Yo um what is this nonsense?

lassitershawn · September 2019

I quit playing the game seriously after the [snip] last patch. Just checked in the forums cause they said notes were today. Here I am hoping for some kind of balance fix...

Lightning Splash:
Increased the base duration of this ability and its morphs to 10 seconds, up from 8.
Increased the base cost to 4950, up from 3024.
Reduced the damage per tick by approximately 33%.

Um... literally the only explanation for this is [snip]. There is no other explanation. [snip]

[snip]

[Edit for bashing & profanity bypass.]

lassitershawn · September 2019

[snip] is class identity btw. [snip] is mag btw. [snip] kind of balance is this btw.

[edited for profanity bypass]

Lupai · September 2019

Yes

Lucky28 · September 2019

lassitershawn wrote: »

I quit playing the game seriously after the [snip] last patch. Just checked in the forums cause they said notes were today. Here I am hoping for some kind of balance fix...

Lightning Splash:
Increased the base duration of this ability and its morphs to 10 seconds, up from 8.
Increased the base cost to 4950, up from 3024.
Reduced the damage per tick by approximately 33%.

Um... literally the only explanation for this is [snip]. There is no other explanation. [snip]

[snip]

[Edit for bashing.]

yeah they did that same nerf with wall of element. and they also nerfed cripple by 50% like the rest of the single target dots..... they want all skills - class and otherwise to be exactly the same and it's literally ruining the game. -

Tannus15 · September 2019

just login to pts and do some parses and compare to live
it's pretty clear this is going to be bad, but they clearly don't care about the knee jerk reactions to this.

lassitershawn · September 2019

To give credit where its due, minor vuln on bugs and the engulfing change to make DKs useful as DPS if you want engulfing are cool. But like SERIOUSLY [snip] is with the class skill nerfs. And tons of skills that were buffed last patch were just re-nerfed into oblivion this patch showing how [snip] some of the changes were to begin with.

[Edit for profanity bypass & bait.]

ZOS_GregoryV · September 2019

Greetings all,

While we can understand that not all members of the community are going to be happy with some of the changes made by the developers, we can not condone bashing. Bashing is a violation of the rules that we have in place. Constructive comments are much more helpful in times like that. Things such as what did you or did you not like about the changes, what do you feel could be done to help improve on said changes, and similar posts. We only ask that all posts/threads be kept within the guidelines of the rules we have in place. If there may be any questions in regards to the rules, please feel free to review them here.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-

Alfie2072 · September 2019

ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »

Greetings all,

While we can understand that not all members of the community are going to be happy with some of the changes made by the developers, we can not condone bashing. Bashing is a violation of the rules that we have in place. Constructive comments are much more helpful in times like that. Things such as what did you or did you not like about the changes, what do you feel could be done to help improve on said changes, and similar posts. We only ask that all posts/threads be kept within the guidelines of the rules we have in place. If there may be any questions in regards to the rules, please feel free to review them here.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-

every time we try to give feedback to help the game you guys dont listen

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HatchetHaro · September 2019

Sorry, but I have to agree wholeheartedly with @lassitershawn here. Unless we see notes that also document nerfs to PvE content (especially trials) to balance out the nerfs to all of our main damage abilities, I call *** on these PTS notes.

TheZachinator · September 2019

Good thing I play FFXIV and DnD now! FFXIV devs actually listen to their players, and most ESO players are transferring over...hmmm I wonder why.

luen79rwb17_ESO · September 2019

You forgot to mention that the "awesome" class identity fix to stam sorc is turning bound arments into a some weird mutation of NB's Grim Focus LOL so much for identity when the guy "balancing" the classes is a NB player himself...

These last 2 updates got me filled with so much dissapointment I honestly don't know what to think of ESO's future anymore at least on the combat perspective.

MasterSpatula · September 2019

"We realize the captain is steering us straight towards an iceberg, but if you don't have anything constructive to say...."

I may not know everything the OP said, but considering we're talking about further nerfing Lightning Splash, I'm not sure there are words in the English Language nasty enough not to be considered unfairly kind.

Artemiisia · September 2019

devs dont want us to bash them, but its ok for them to bash our class to the ground, the ironi

lassitershawn · September 2019

ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »

Greetings all,

While we can understand that not all members of the community are going to be happy with some of the changes made by the developers, we can not condone bashing. Bashing is a violation of the rules that we have in place. Constructive comments are much more helpful in times like that. Things such as what did you or did you not like about the changes, what do you feel could be done to help improve on said changes, and similar posts. We only ask that all posts/threads be kept within the guidelines of the rules we have in place. If there may be any questions in regards to the rules, please feel free to review them here.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-

Here is a link to all the changes I find upsetting. Improving on them could be done by not making them.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/493609/pts-patch-notes-v5-2-0#latest

loki504 · September 2019

I agree. I was hoping for buffing some class still. And nerfing some weapon skills. But not this patch... looks like i will give FF a try. Or some other games. I really liked ESO but not today and not next patch... sad to see your going that way.

Galarthor · September 2019

HatchetHaro wrote: »

Sorry, but I have to agree wholeheartedly with @lassitershawn here. Unless we see notes that also document nerfs to PvE content (especially trials) to balance out the nerfs to all of our main damage abilities, I call *** on these PTS notes.

So how were you completing those trials in U22 and prior, when DoTs did not deal 2.5 times the damage of direct abilities? DoT in U23 are completely over the top - especially in PvE where there is no cleansing or supression. It is ridiculous that AoE DoT abilities are BiS for max single target dps! That fact alone tells you that they are overperforming by a huge margin given their higher cost!

Maotti · September 2019

ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »

Greetings all,

While we can understand that not all members of the community are going to be happy with some of the changes made by the developers, we can not condone bashing. Bashing is a violation of the rules that we have in place. Constructive comments are much more helpful in times like that. Things such as what did you or did you not like about the changes, what do you feel could be done to help improve on said changes, and similar posts. We only ask that all posts/threads be kept within the guidelines of the rules we have in place. If there may be any questions in regards to the rules, please feel free to review them here.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-

Where's the rule for devs not bashing their playerbase constantly?

WrathOfInnos · September 2019

ZOS design philosophy for update 24:

Maotti · September 2019

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

[snip]

They have unfortunately already done that, many players i know of don't play anymore, they do not do dungeons nor trials anymore. And soloquesting is fun for only so long.
[edited to remove quote]

vovus69 · September 2019

Well, they are continuing to destroy PVE in favour of "PVP balance"... It was numerous times when they have been told that they should have separate skills for pve and pvp, or same skill which will have two different meanings in pvp and pve as in other mmorpgs. They just don't listen.
I am seriously checking FFXXIV now and New World from amazon. Don't like survival setting in New World, but graphics is already at par or better that in ESO. If someone wants to check and Ok with survival and 16th century armory etc - check this out.
Still waiting for another mmorpg with good graphics. WOW is kinda too cartoonish. May be blizzards will drop it at some point and make the new one... Who knows.

Still would like to see what they will do with champion system...

And of course, it is very pity that spellcrafting is off the table. That was probably the only thing I waited from the very beginning... The rest in this game is pretty mundane and usual for other mmorpgs.

-vovus

zParallaxz · September 2019

vovus69 wrote: »

Well, they are continuing to destroy PVE in favour of "PVP balance"... It was numerous times when they have been told that they should have separate skills for pve and pvp, or same skill which will have two different meanings in pvp and pve as in other mmorpgs. They just don't listen.
I am seriously checking FFXXIV now and New World from amazon. Don't like survival setting in New World, but graphics is already at par or better that in ESO. If someone wants to check and Ok with survival and 16th century armory etc - check this out.
Still waiting for another mmorpg with good graphics. WOW is kinda too cartoonish. May be blizzards will drop it at some point and make the new one... Who knows.

Still would like to see what they will do with champion system...

And of course, it is very pity that spellcrafting is off the table. That was probably the only thing I waited from the very beginning... The rest in this game is pretty mundane and usual for other mmorpgs.

-vovus

Spell crafting was also what kept me holding on, but they’ve said that had no immediate plans to do it. But also I don’t think I could handle how they would balance it.

MartiniDaniels · September 2019

Galarthor wrote: »

HatchetHaro wrote: »

Sorry, but I have to agree wholeheartedly with @lassitershawn here. Unless we see notes that also document nerfs to PvE content (especially trials) to balance out the nerfs to all of our main damage abilities, I call *** on these PTS notes.

So how were you completing those trials in U22 and prior, when DoTs did not deal 2.5 times the damage of direct abilities? DoT in U23 are completely over the top - especially in PvE where there is no cleansing or supression. It is ridiculous that AoE DoT abilities are BiS for max single target dps! That fact alone tells you that they are overperforming by a huge margin given their higher cost!

Dots were doing 2x damage of spammables and nobody objected. 2x, not 1.25x. I am mildly curious from where 1.25 coefficient appeared. 1.25 over 10 seconds sounds hilarious, well because you need 8 dots to do same dps as 1 spammable in that case

Problem of this patch not in dot's damage, it was mostly in easiness of application of entropy and soul trap, which combined with class dot and buffed damage allowed to apply a lot of pressure without much effort.

jypcy · September 2019

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Galarthor wrote: »

HatchetHaro wrote: »

Sorry, but I have to agree wholeheartedly with @lassitershawn here. Unless we see notes that also document nerfs to PvE content (especially trials) to balance out the nerfs to all of our main damage abilities, I call *** on these PTS notes.

So how were you completing those trials in U22 and prior, when DoTs did not deal 2.5 times the damage of direct abilities? DoT in U23 are completely over the top - especially in PvE where there is no cleansing or supression. It is ridiculous that AoE DoT abilities are BiS for max single target dps! That fact alone tells you that they are overperforming by a huge margin given their higher cost!

Dots were doing 2x damage of spammables and nobody objected. 2x, not 1.25x. I am mildly curious from where 1.25 coefficient appeared. 1.25 over 10 seconds sounds hilarious, well because you need 8 dots to do same dps as 1 spammable in that case
Problem of this patch not in dot's damage, it was mostly in easiness of application of entropy and soul trap, which combined with class dot and buffed damage allowed to apply a lot of pressure without much effort.

Point is that you’re getting more damage from one GCD by using a dot than by using a spammable. There are other factors to consider in actual gameplay (purge in pvp, invulnerability/mechanics in pve, your target dying too soon in either) regarding which you’ll actually get more damage from in a given situation, but dots have a higher damage potential anyway. Personally, I think doing merely 1.25x a spammable’s damage is a bit extreme, but we’ll see.

Barbaran · September 2019

lassitershawn wrote: »

ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »

Greetings all,

While we can understand that not all members of the community are going to be happy with some of the changes made by the developers, we can not condone bashing. Bashing is a violation of the rules that we have in place. Constructive comments are much more helpful in times like that. Things such as what did you or did you not like about the changes, what do you feel could be done to help improve on said changes, and similar posts. We only ask that all posts/threads be kept within the guidelines of the rules we have in place. If there may be any questions in regards to the rules, please feel free to review them here.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-

Here is a link to all the changes I find upsetting. Improving on them could be done by not making them.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/493609/pts-patch-notes-v5-2-0#latest

This has to be the best response I've seen

mateosalvaje · September 2019

I play on console, but still read the PTS patch notes. Maybe that's enough for a lot of people to dismiss what I'm about to say, but here it is:

I'm looking forward to the next patch. I was dreading the last few combat updates, and they were bad, but this next one seems to be going in the right direction. A lot of times combat seems to be over really quickly, whether it's fighting another player or a World Boss for example, and I think this new approach will make things more interesting as a whole.

I may get some eye rolling for it, but I still hope they're balancing the classes in order to do away with them and have all skills available for all players. Sure total chaos may ensue, but that would make it a true Elder Scrolls game 🦄

daedalusAI · September 2019

ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »

Greetings all,

While we can understand that not all members of the community are going to be happy with some of the changes made by the developers, we can not condone bashing. Bashing is a violation of the rules that we have in place. Constructive comments are much more helpful in times like that. Things such as what did you or did you not like about the changes, what do you feel could be done to help improve on said changes, and similar posts. We only ask that all posts/threads be kept within the guidelines of the rules we have in place. If there may be any questions in regards to the rules, please feel free to review them here.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-

You didn't listen to feedback before, you won't listen now, so your comment about "constructive comments in times like that" is nothing but a sham, a pointless lip service to soothe/control the masses.

Major_Lag · September 2019

daedalusAI wrote: »

You didn't listen to feedback before, you won't listen now, so your comment about "constructive comments in times like that" is nothing but a sham, a pointless lip service to soothe/control the masses.

Just delete PTS and PTS forum section, it serves zero purpose beyond terrorizing players with foreknowledge of inevitable destruction of the game.

TBH I'd rather not have known about the changes at all until they hit Live; now I know that I only have a few weeks left to wrap things up on my end.

Stibbons · September 2019

Learn to play DIRECT DAMAGE ONLY

daedalusAI · September 2019

Major_Lag wrote: »

daedalusAI wrote: »

You didn't listen to feedback before, you won't listen now, so your comment about "constructive comments in times like that" is nothing but a sham, a pointless lip service to soothe/control the masses.

Just delete PTS and PTS forum section, it serves zero purpose beyond terrorizing players with foreknowledge of inevitable destruction of the game.

TBH I'd rather not have known about the changes at all until they hit Live; now I know that I only have a few weeks left to wrap things up on my end.

Once I'm done leveling my last 2 alts to lvl 50 in everything I put ESO on the shelf, daily login until CP 810 and then I won't touch it again until later next year because it's not worth my time seeing incompetent people make sweeping changes every few months, and those changes being utter garbage that a one-eyed man could spot it from a mile away.

Additionally it hurts my QA soul to see such garbage software being released to customers with the clear intent to only rake in money.

Stibbons · September 2019

You have to have many alts to play this game. Every few months few of them will be utter unplayable. You also have to have 6-10 different gold set. Some of them will be poor or just horrible after few months. Sometimes some come back to be semigood or just weird. Level all skills, morphs, guild lines,...play stamina and magic. Boom new patch! You main character with full gold gear is now just pitifull but on other hand your alt is king of the hill now.