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Looking to make a healer for BGs

  • Major_Lag
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    Iskiab wrote: »
    One trick is most gankers look at health pools before choosing a target, aim for at least 23k health, preferably 25k+.
    Hmm. I had ~28k on my largescale healer build in CP PvP, which would go down to ~24k in no-CP.
    Blue max health/mag buff food (far from optimal choice of food, yes I know) - don't try this at home, kids, especially in no-CP :)

    That was with 0 points into health, no health set bonuses, and no health enchants. No Hakeijos either, because I was too cheap for that :D
    If I popped 3 Hakeijos on that I'd be at >25k in no-CP.

    Yet I sometimes see people running around with ~16-18k health... in CP PvP... how are they even managing to go that low? No food? :/
  • Bashev
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    From my experience, healer is needed for Stam builds or in really high premade MMR games which are kind of rare in PC EU.
    The best option is if the healing you do is 30-40% of your damage. If you do 1mil damage then 300-400k healing. If the whole team has a similar setup, they will have tons of damage and healing as one dedicated healer. They will be able to burst the squishiest targets and secure the kills for the points.
    Because I can!
  • Iskiab
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    Major_Lag wrote: »
    Iskiab wrote: »
    One trick is most gankers look at health pools before choosing a target, aim for at least 23k health, preferably 25k+.
    Hmm. I had ~28k on my largescale healer build in CP PvP, which would go down to ~24k in no-CP.
    Blue max health/mag buff food (far from optimal choice of food, yes I know) - don't try this at home, kids, especially in no-CP :)

    That was with 0 points into health, no health set bonuses, and no health enchants. No Hakeijos either, because I was too cheap for that :D
    If I popped 3 Hakeijos on that I'd be at >25k in no-CP.

    Yet I sometimes see people running around with ~16-18k health... in CP PvP... how are they even managing to go that low? No food? :/

    Solo specs. It’s the reason solo specs are horrible for group play.

    I was making fun of these kind of builds and someone brought up a good point. If you’re running around solo all that matters is being able to burst one person down, you’ll either have the offensive power or you don’t. With that perspective being glass canon can make sense because it’s all about fulfilling your number 1 objective.

    Problem with this philosophy is it leads you down a dark road when it comes to BGs or group play. People build tankier - they build more glass - until it gets to a situation when as a healer I did a 1v3 against specs like this because they had zero defense.
    Bashev wrote: »
    From my experience, healer is needed for Stam builds or in really high premade MMR games which are kind of rare in PC EU.
    The best option is if the healing you do is 30-40% of your damage. If you do 1mil damage then 300-400k healing. If the whole team has a similar setup, they will have tons of damage and healing as one dedicated healer. They will be able to burst the squishiest targets and secure the kills for the points.

    PC’s generally the same, though recently when I did some BGs again I felt slow. I think steed or Swift is becoming pretty widespread which I’ll have to figure out how to adapt to.

    1 healer and one off healer is optimal I think, 3 people off healing works really well too.

    Usually when I heal my damage involves bringing something to the table others don’t have, like a ranged execute and a ranged aoe to knock NBs out of stealth.
    Edited by Iskiab on September 14, 2019 1:52PM
    Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
    Havoc Warhammer - Alair
    LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
    PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
    Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten
  • Major_Lag
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    So, what would you propose for a Sorc dedicated healer in BGs?

    Matriarch for a group burst heal? Normally I'd use dark deal, but that's selfish.

    Rapid or Radiating regen?

    What about Illustrious? I haven't done any PvP healing since Scalebreaker changes, not sure if it'd be useful now.

    SnB backbar with Streak + Boundless + Crit Surge. Soultrap for a DoT (to proc surge)?
  • Bashev
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    Major_Lag wrote: »
    So, what would you propose for a Sorc dedicated healer in BGs?

    Matriarch for a group burst heal? Normally I'd use dark deal, but that's selfish.

    Rapid or Radiating regen?

    What about Illustrious? I haven't done any PvP healing since Scalebreaker changes, not sure if it'd be useful now.

    SnB backbar with Streak + Boundless + Crit Surge. Soultrap for a DoT (to proc surge)?

    Radiating and Illustrious are the better morphs for BGs.
    Because I can!
  • Major_Lag
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    From the lack of criticism, I'd cautiously assume that the build I put forward is actually workable, then?

    I realize that Sorc is not a good class for a healer, but my main is a Sorc and I have a lot of experience healing largescale with my Sorc. :)

    So to summarize, for frontbar (Transmutation resto) I'd go with:
    Illustrious, Radiating, Endless Fury, Soul Splitting Trap, Matriarch

    Backbar (SnB):
    Streak, Boundless, Crit Surge, Harness, Matriarch

    Sounds workable to me.
    Please comment/rate?

    BTW, is Ward Ally any good?
    It used to be quite strong before Scalebreaker, but after they changed the scaling I stopped using it entirely. No idea where it stands now, in actual practice.
  • Adenoma
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    What’re people enjoying sets wise? I was gonna spec my Magplar in S&B/Resto with transmutation, shackle, BS, BRP Resto for strong heals and a little off damage.
    Adenoma-Badenoma-Sadenoma
  • Bashev
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    Adenoma wrote: »
    What’re people enjoying sets wise? I was gonna spec my Magplar in S&B/Resto with transmutation, shackle, BS, BRP Resto for strong heals and a little off damage.

    Transmutation is really nice group set.
    The best monster healing set is Bogdan (nightflame).
    If you really want to be tanky use either pariah or reactive.

    For BGs you dont need burst heals, you need a lot of hots and you should be tanky. Sometimes taking the damage instead of your teammates who are DPSing will be better for the group.
    Because I can!
  • Iskiab
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    Adenoma wrote: »
    What’re people enjoying sets wise? I was gonna spec my Magplar in S&B/Resto with transmutation, shackle, BS, BRP Resto for strong heals and a little off damage.

    Templar healing is pretty simple from what I’ve seen. Stack HoTs, hold block, and spam breath of life on emergencies. If you’re under pressure mist form away.

    One thing that isn’t mentioned much is unless you block S&B isn’t worth it. S&B alone doesn’t make you tanky, it’s the blocking that does. Make sure you also use that bubble thing on opponents.

    I’d try and have a fair bit if stam, maybe 12k+.
    Major_Lag wrote: »
    From the lack of criticism, I'd cautiously assume that the build I put forward is actually workable, then?

    I realize that Sorc is not a good class for a healer, but my main is a Sorc and I have a lot of experience healing largescale with my Sorc. :)

    So to summarize, for frontbar (Transmutation resto) I'd go with:
    Illustrious, Radiating, Endless Fury, Soul Splitting Trap, Matriarch

    Backbar (SnB):
    Streak, Boundless, Crit Surge, Harness, Matriarch

    Sounds workable to me.
    Please comment/rate?

    BTW, is Ward Ally any good?
    It used to be quite strong before Scalebreaker, but after they changed the scaling I stopped using it entirely. No idea where it stands now, in actual practice.

    Ward Ally is expensive. It’s okayish, but will usually get ripped through fairly quickly. I’d go for it.
    Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
    Havoc Warhammer - Alair
    LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
    PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
    Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten
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