Is this real? An entire zone, just for questing?

iamkeebler · September 2019

I’m

ZonasArch wrote: »

Unless you're all about scoring and absolutely nothing else ever in your life in ESO, you're not end game. Also needs to be entitled, unfriendly and kinda salty. A little bit hot headed too. If you're missing anything from that list, some will say you're a filthy casual.

I'm a filthy casual.

Sums up “endgame” users perfectly 😂😂

All joking aside though - why would you spend this much money on a game to not be at all interested in the rich lore and story content that they are constantly popping out. That’s what makes ESO great. Leaderboards/achievements are such a small piece of this game and if that’s they only thing you’re here for, you might want to find a better game that fits your needs.

I’ll continue to enjoy it all though. Guess that makes me a filthy casual too! #filthycasualandproudofit

KillsAllElves · September 2019

Eso is 5 years old and this dude is just now posting that question?

ZonasArch · September 2019

iamkeebler wrote: »

I’m

ZonasArch wrote: »

Unless you're all about scoring and absolutely nothing else ever in your life in ESO, you're not end game. Also needs to be entitled, unfriendly and kinda salty. A little bit hot headed too. If you're missing anything from that list, some will say you're a filthy casual.

I'm a filthy casual.

Sums up “endgame” users perfectly 😂😂

All joking aside though - why would you spend this much money on a game to not be at all interested in the rich lore and story content that they are constantly popping out. That’s what makes ESO great. Leaderboards/achievements are such a small piece of this game and if that’s they only thing you’re here for, you might want to find a better game that fits your needs.

I’ll continue to enjoy it all though. Guess that makes me a filthy casual too! #filthycasualandproudofit

I mean... It's their time and money and ESO is a beautiful play-as-you-wish game, but still... Sounds like an awful lot of time and money spent on ESO to just enjoy maybe 10% of it.

I prefer to approach the other 90% if I can't have both. 😂

The_Auror · September 2019

Bekkael wrote: »

I am max CP. I've been playing for close to 3 years. I have 100% all zones and maps with the exception of Cyrodiil and IC. Are you telling me I'm not an endgamer because I enjoy quests? If so, I beg to differ. I AM an endgamer. I'm not sure what your definition is, but I am certain there are more players in ESO like me than like you, which makes us the majority.

A company making products to please the majority of their customers is called smart business.

Not sure how you thought that was directed at you or anyone in particular but thanks for the needlessly defensive response. It's obvious I'm talking about group content here.

I don't understand this us vs them, all or nothing mentality. I and many others just wanted some form of group content to go along with the questing zone, as has happened with every small zone release save DB. There's no reason we couldn't have both. OP may have come off a bit hysterical in this post but most of the "toxicity" is coming form the questers as usual. You see, I want everyone to be happy.

And since you want a definition, another zone that can be completed by a new character with white gear and no CP is not end game content, sorry.

bearbelly · September 2019

KillsAllElves wrote: »

Eso is 5 years old and this dude is just now posting that question?

He's... special.

valeriiya · September 2019

iwakurakaitou wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

This isn’t a joke topic op? I thought this was a joke.

Oh, it's a joke alright - just wasn't intended to be one. e_e

Players: FIX PERFORMANCE
ZOS: Ok fine
Players: waaah I don't get another dungeon.

Sacrificing one quarter for improved performance is well worth it. You're still getting an entire area with delves and world bosses and quests. This game desperately needs performance improvements and they finally see it and hopefully we'll get real results this time.

LukosCreyden · September 2019

I love how you tagged Gina in this like the Community Manager is the one solely responsible for your disappointment. .

MehrunesFlagon · September 2019

iamkeebler wrote: »

The “endgame” crowd has gotten PLENTY of content this year. ESO is more than an mmo (hence my earlier comment about it being an mmoRPG). And as others have pointed out, ZOS has used this formula for releasing content time and time again. Your end game only dlc will likely be next. Until then, perhaps dive in and enjoy the storyline for a bit instead.

It's not like if they added an arena the quest content would go away.A different team works on that anyway.

zyk · September 2019

Bekkael wrote: »

A company making products to please the majority of their customers is called smart business.

If I were a Zenimax investor, I would be outraged that they failed to capitalize on PVP and PVE raiding markets as those are incredible money makers for other companies. Especially when they had a product fundamentally designed to do those things already.

I'm sure many here are completely detached from the rest of the gaming industry and fail to realize how the most profitable games are online PVP games with competitive elements. This has been the case since before ESO launched.

They gave up on making a good game and instead turned this promising MMO into a cash shop dress-up game with episodic single player quests for Skyrim fans. ESO is only successful as an accessory to Skyrim.

Probably the best thing ZOS can say about ESO is that they have a high ARPU.

idk · September 2019

SenpaiNFT wrote: »

Cirantille wrote: »

First: it is called MMO"RPG"

No one is losing anything.

Fact: PvE players exist in this game.

And PvE + PvP players like myself having a blast.

Go play Skyrim if you wanna quest.

Have you played ESO? It pretty much is mostly quests like most all MMORPGs. Your comment makes no sense and certainly lacks any basis based on the design of most major MMORPGs.

Further, one would be hard pressed to find a major MMORPG that has released end game content at the pace Zos has for the past couple years. Besides dungeons Zos has added two instanced end game raids each of the last two years.

So the complaint seems to be without merit even if this next DLC does not contain an arena or trial or sorts.

mook-eb16_ESO · September 2019

see I wouldn't mind a new quest zone if the puzzles were tricky and left everyone baffled, I grew up on adventure games and solving puzzles. From the start of this game the quest were a big disappointment in terms of ease, side quests are all the same collect ten of these etc etc . Quality is what we want not quantity. I wouldn't pay zos anymore anyway for any dlc atm because performance is so bad, the current dot meta is yawn.

Korah_Eaglecry · September 2019

So where have you been for the last 10 years?

Because Endgamers have been on the gamers endangered species list for just about that entire time. Endgamers haven't had serious sway over Developers since the days of WoW when the pendulum began to heavily swing in the direction of the casual player.

It might be time to either accept that Trials are not going to be prominent parts of updates, DLCs and Chapters or find something else to do with your time.

Watchdog · September 2019

I am playing ESO mostly for the stories and for exploring the world of Tamriel and beyond. I love quests with stories. Oh, and I also do what I consider the true ESO endgame - housing and fashion.

I am quite happy to see the contents of the Q4 2019 DLC.

MehrunesFlagon · September 2019

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

So where have you been for the last 10 years?

Because Endgamers have been on the gamers endangered species list for just about that entire time. Endgamers haven't had serious sway over Developers since the days of WoW when the pendulum began to heavily swing in the direction of the casual player.

It might be time to either accept that Trials are not going to be prominent parts of updates, DLCs and Chapters or find something else to do with your time.

They were never really a prominent part.It's the presence we are talking about.Not prominence.

DrFuzzyFish · September 2019

Damn..... well this was fun to read, carry on

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Jhalin · September 2019

If there’s actually any performance upgrades (I’m doubtfut) maybe I would consider resubbing and playing more than a daily pledge or two

SeaGtGruff · September 2019

Watchdog wrote: »

the true ESO endgame - housing and fashion.

inventory management.

Fixed it for ya.

Elsonso · September 2019

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

iamkeebler wrote: »

The “endgame” crowd has gotten PLENTY of content this year. ESO is more than an mmo (hence my earlier comment about it being an mmoRPG). And as others have pointed out, ZOS has used this formula for releasing content time and time again. Your end game only dlc will likely be next. Until then, perhaps dive in and enjoy the storyline for a bit instead.

It's not like if they added an arena the quest content would go away.A different team works on that anyway.

My figuring is that Finn's dungeon team is working on 2020 DLC, which is probably going to be 4 Dungeons and a Trial.

doomette · September 2019

How does “go play Skyrim” even make sense as a retort against those of us who are happy with the new questing zone? Why leave the game when we’re excited about what’s coming up?

And I won’t even turn it around and say those who don’t want a new questing zone should go play blahblahblah because I’m not a jerk like that. I want there to be something for casual questers, PVPers, kick-in-teeth-hard trials/dungeon runners, fashionistas, interior decorators, and people who host guar parades.

Throwing a tantrum and attacking players because they aren’t ultra-mega-leet like you is a pathetic response to ESO not releasing the content you want.

Korah_Eaglecry · September 2019

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

So where have you been for the last 10 years?

Because Endgamers have been on the gamers endangered species list for just about that entire time. Endgamers haven't had serious sway over Developers since the days of WoW when the pendulum began to heavily swing in the direction of the casual player.

It might be time to either accept that Trials are not going to be prominent parts of updates, DLCs and Chapters or find something else to do with your time.

They were never really a prominent part.It's the presence we are talking about.Not prominence.

The presence is unnecessary for the current models of MMOs to continue on. No one cares about Endgamers. And honestly, no one should. It doesnt bring in the money. It doesnt bring real attention to the game. Its a niche demographic that wouldnt be missed by the bean counters at ZOS. If Trials made ZOS actual money, youd see a lot more of it. But theyre dropping them once a year now.

Katahdin · September 2019

"End game" got content in each of the 3 DLCs so far this year.

1. 2 new dlc dungeons which are harder than any base game dungeon
2. Elsweyr which included a new trial
3. 2 new dlc dungeons

So because 1 out of 4 doesn't include hard content you're all bent over out of shape?

Yes Murkmire included BRP, but no other trial was released last year. So while the timing changed, the overall content released for each year are similar.

Yes we asked for performance fixes and some have asked for forgoing content in favor of only performance and QOL improvements but any time a poll was put up there was not universal agreement on that point. Finally ZoS never said they would stop all content development for performance and qol improvements.

The OP's expectations clearly do not reflect reality.

max_only · September 2019

Is this real? An entire restaurant just for eating?

iamkeebler · September 2019

max_only wrote: »

Is this real? An entire restaurant just for eating?

👏 👏 👏 well done sir 😂

MehrunesFlagon · September 2019

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

So where have you been for the last 10 years?

Because Endgamers have been on the gamers endangered species list for just about that entire time. Endgamers haven't had serious sway over Developers since the days of WoW when the pendulum began to heavily swing in the direction of the casual player.

It might be time to either accept that Trials are not going to be prominent parts of updates, DLCs and Chapters or find something else to do with your time.

They were never really a prominent part.It's the presence we are talking about.Not prominence.

The presence is unnecessary for the current models of MMOs to continue on. No one cares about Endgamers. And honestly, no one should. It doesnt bring in the money. It doesnt bring real attention to the game. Its a niche demographic that wouldnt be missed by the bean counters at ZOS. If Trials made ZOS actual money, youd see a lot more of it. But theyre dropping them once a year now.

Please the money excuse.It's time for the Shareholders,CEO's,CFO's and board of directors to kiss my ass rather than being made to kiss theirs.

SenpaiNFT · September 2019

Katahdin wrote: »

"End game" got content in each of the 3 DLCs so far this year.

1. 2 new dlc dungeons which are harder than any base game dungeon
2. Elsweyr which included a new trial
3. 2 new dlc dungeons

So because 1 out of 4 doesn't include hard content you're all bent over out of shape?

Yes Murkmire included BRP, but no other trial was released last year. So while the timing changed, the overall content released for each year are similar.

Yes we asked for performance fixes and some have asked for forgoing content in favor of only performance and QOL improvements but any time a poll was put up there was not universal agreement on that point. Finally ZoS never said they would stop all content development for performance and qol improvements.

The OP's expectations clearly do not reflect reality.

This is now the third time I will ask you to stop posting falsehoods on my post. You are now at this point deliberately spreading misinformation to make the relevant issue seem less of an issue as a whole. Please. Stop. Posting. Nonsense.

Summerset Chapter. Cloudrest Mini-trial. What you said is blatantly false.

@ZOS_JesC I would ask that you stop those who would post objective misinformation multiple times in the same post from derailing it further.

Cirantille · September 2019

doomette wrote: »

How does “go play Skyrim” even make sense as a retort against those of us who are happy with the new questing zone? Why leave the game when we’re excited about what’s coming up?

And I won’t even turn it around and say those who don’t want a new questing zone should go play blahblahblah because I’m not a jerk like that. I want there to be something for casual questers, PVPers, kick-in-teeth-hard trials/dungeon runners, fashionistas, interior decorators, and people who host guar parades.

Throwing a tantrum and attacking players because they aren’t ultra-mega-leet like you is a pathetic response to ESO not releasing the content you want.

I would be interested in the guar parade
Do let me know

SenpaiNFT · September 2019

Also, Dungeons are not by any means considered endgame or “hard” content, they are tailored towards the casual group PvEer. Group arenas like vBRP are tailored towards endgame group.

Sylvermynx · September 2019

@SenpaiNFT - it's a public forum. Everyone gets to reply to anything they like, as long as they're more or less polite. No one gets to claim her thread is a sacrosanct one, where posting:

@ZOS_JesC I would ask that you stop those who would post objective misinformation multiple times in the same post from derailing it further.

will get you a private soapbox for your personal rants.

Everyone's free to post what they like as long as it doesn't break the forum rules.

Bekkael · September 2019

I suppose there's a fundamental difference in definition. To me, when I have completed all the quests in all the zones, and my character literally has nothing left to do but dailies and repeatables, I consider myself to be an endgamer, as I have actually reached the end of the game.

I refuse to call myself a filthy casual, as I am neither filthy, nor am I casual. I know people use that term in jest, but I consider it derogatory since it was formerly used to insult people that played on one gaming platform as opposed to another, along with the word "peasant". I log in and play this game every single day and have invested more time in ESO than any other game I have ever played. I wear ESO t-shirts! That's far from casual IMO, but whatever. Some labels are silly.

jainiadral · September 2019

No, no way can the standard annual Q4 questing content be real. Nope. No how, noway, nunh-unh. This Q4 was supposed to be special, darn it!