It's a good job they nerfed DK reflect.........

This looks like it would be very effective in low MMR BGs.

Not optimal at all really, most definitely not the best build you can come up with for that content.

Lmao my secret is out! I still remember saying NBs have it nice this patch when scalebreaker hit but a bunch of people were like NAHHH cloak not OP. My NB going 40+ kills 0 death disagrees but people believe what they believe~

Lol Best build? Not even close. This build is "best" for what this guy said, hiding in the bush waiting for some low level noobs. Any decent player won't let you to gank him with this kind of build and for sure you're not going to win any brawl. You can just try to gank someone and if he survives and recovers you need to run for your life. I can bet my magplar would steamroll through this magblade without stopping.


You OP are really a meme. You just post on this forums nerf threads for every class except of templars which are the ones who are OP this patch.

And I dare to disagree with the statement of the build creator that cloak is best anti dot tool. Why?
1. Cloak has counters while purge has none. I use them all the time and I kill NBs on regular basis with dots, just put 3-4 dots on NB, use detection potion and gapclose on him from time to time cc'ing him. You would be amazed how easy it is to kill NB when you actually use brain instead of whining.
2. Staying in cloak forces you to stay defensive meaning your opponent can recover health and resources while you are draining your magicka heavily.
3. Cost efficiency. To mitigate full dot duration you need 4 casts of cloak which costs 3,1k magicka with 5 pieces of LA and Breton passive meaning you need to spend over 12k magicka to counter 1-infinity dots. While ritual single cast is around 4k magicka on same setup but also heals you, snares enemies and what's most important works all the time and can't be stopped.

The only thing that makes cloak better skill vs dots is amount of enemies. Cloak allows you to instantly negate damage of more than 5 dots, while single cast of ritual lets you deal with 5 dots at best (usually less because of some secondary negative effects).

Now please excuse me I'm going to play my dusted off OP MAGPLAR

susmitds wrote: »

Darloc Brae regen is not a bug. It does exactly what It says on the tooltip.

InvictusApollo wrote: »

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

Build only works bc of a nb bug. So it basically is an exploit. Already discussed this.

@OlumoGarbag are you refering to Darloc Brae's fifth trait?

the bug here is that darloc also procs when just crouching, which is intended.
But on any other class then magblade you cant perma crouch bc every dot tick will pull you out of crouch.

susmitds wrote: »

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Darloc Brae regen is not a bug. It does exactly what It says on the tooltip.

InvictusApollo wrote: »

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

Build only works bc of a nb bug. So it basically is an exploit. Already discussed this.

@OlumoGarbag are you refering to Darloc Brae's fifth trait?

the bug here is that darloc also procs when just crouching, which is intended.
But on any other class then magblade you cant perma crouch bc every dot tick will pull you out of crouch.

That is again not a bug. You guys are confusing Crouching status with Hidden status. You can "crouch" and remain detected.

Example -

Crouch - Dark Stalker passive increases sneak speed while crouching. It works whether you are detected or not. Crouch is only removed, if you actively attack somebody with Direct Damage or heal somebody with Direct Heal or cast a group buff. It is not removed on taking damage, healing with HoT or single target healing or even dealing DoT damage.
Hidden - Concealed Weapon passive increases sneak speed while Hidden, either through Invisibility or Stealth. It works only if you are not detected. Another example would be the NB Assassination passive.

Darloc Brae requires Crouch to activate and as such works even if you were detected and are actively being attacked.
On the contrary Shadow Walker requires true Hidden to activate and restores 3x the resources while having some of the best PvP 2-4 bonuses, as it is harder maintain Hidden.

Fun Fact - Whining already got Darloc Brae nerfed once. Initially you could just crouch, perma block and keep healing with HoTs. It made some of trolliest NB tanks possible. You could literally facetank a zerg and hold block, while spamming Dark Cloak and other HoTs, while never running out of stamina or magicka. In fact, the set also heals you as well. Needless to say, it got nerfed so you can't use it while blocking. Removing its perma cloak or perma mist capabilities will make the set useless.

All good points and I was going to mention the block cast thing from the pts too. Now that would have made for a broken set!

@susmitds got it right, the set is working as intended, it works for what it clearly was meant to be used.

As a sustain set that has a gimmick to use and with set bonuses that one has to give up a lot compared to what other sets one can use and no need for the Crouch gimmick.

Its being used at pve on for thief/dark brotherhood stuff by some and at pvp for mist/cloak sustain, but.. most magblades do permacloak without it (my setup also) 100% with other sets that offers more damage and no need for the gimmick. This set WOULD have been omegalul if could block and it would stay active, but they fixed that, luckily.

Now it is just an option as a sustain set if you wanna RP and mist form and stuff around.

Remember sisters & brothers, have enough sustain to move around this patch, there always are templars behind every corner ready to chase you from Chally to Aleswell. You hear that Sweep/Jabs noise and see Bubble, you run. You Mist. You Cloak. My thoughts are with you.

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Darloc Brae regen is not a bug. It does exactly what It says on the tooltip.

InvictusApollo wrote: »

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

Build only works bc of a nb bug. So it basically is an exploit. Already discussed this.

@OlumoGarbag are you refering to Darloc Brae's fifth trait?

the bug here is that darloc also procs when just crouching, which is intended.
But on any other class then magblade you cant perma crouch bc every dot tick will pull you out of crouch.

That is again not a bug. You guys are confusing Crouching status with Hidden status. You can "crouch" and remain detected.

Example -

Crouch - Dark Stalker passive increases sneak speed while crouching. It works whether you are detected or not. Crouch is only removed, if you actively attack somebody with Direct Damage or heal somebody with Direct Heal or cast a group buff. It is not removed on taking damage, healing with HoT or single target healing or even dealing DoT damage.
Hidden - Concealed Weapon passive increases sneak speed while Hidden, either through Invisibility or Stealth. It works only if you are not detected. Another example would be the NB Assassination passive.

Darloc Brae requires Crouch to activate and as such works even if you were detected and are actively being attacked.
On the contrary Shadow Walker requires true Hidden to activate and restores 3x the resources while having some of the best PvP 2-4 bonuses, as it is harder maintain Hidden.

Fun Fact - Whining already got Darloc Brae nerfed once. Initially you could just crouch, perma block and keep healing with HoTs. It made some of trolliest NB tanks possible. You could literally facetank a zerg and hold block, while spamming Dark Cloak and other HoTs, while never running out of stamina or magicka. In fact, the set also heals you as well. Needless to say, it got nerfed so you can't use it while blocking. Removing its perma cloak or perma mist capabilities will make the set useless.

Sigh

Pls read before you speak....

It is a bug. As I mentioned procing darloc from crouch is intended. But doting someone up and crouching is not. Try it on other classes. As soon as you dot a target and press crtl, every single tick will interupt your crouch. On nb however this does not happen. You can happily stack dots while darloc has 100% uptime. This is definitely a bug.

Sigh, you seem to have the misconception that the eye opening means Crouch is disabled. The eye can be fully open and you are still in crouch. DoTs don't break crouch on dealing them or getting hit by them. I can spam Flurry while maintaining 100% uptime on Crouch.

Video’s sort of funny. It’s all about only solo open world and mentions he can even kill a templar, OH THE INHUMANITY! Must be nerfed tout suite!

Btw, Amber Plasm/Willows Path has a way better sustain, add Grundwulfs and you never have to finish a fight you don't want to. I think people complaining about perma cloak are the same asking for an Auctionhouse and Accountwide Achievements.

Mayrael wrote: »

Lol Best build? Not even close. This build is "best" for what this guy said, hiding in the bush waiting for some low level noobs. Any decent player won't let you to gank him with this kind of build and for sure you're not going to win any brawl. You can just try to gank someone and if he survives and recovers you need to run for your life. I can bet my magplar would steamroll through this magblade without stopping.


You OP are really a meme. You just post on this forums nerf threads for every class except of templars which are the ones who are OP this patch.

And I dare to disagree with the statement of the build creator that cloak is best anti dot tool. Why?
1. Cloak has counters while purge has none. I use them all the time and I kill NBs on regular basis with dots, just put 3-4 dots on NB, use detection potion and gapclose on him from time to time cc'ing him. You would be amazed how easy it is to kill NB when you actually use brain instead of whining.
2. Staying in cloak forces you to stay defensive meaning your opponent can recover health and resources while you are draining your magicka heavily.
3. Cost efficiency. To mitigate full dot duration you need 4 casts of cloak which costs 3,1k magicka with 5 pieces of LA and Breton passive meaning you need to spend over 12k magicka to counter 1-infinity dots. While ritual single cast is around 4k magicka on same setup but also heals you, snares enemies and what's most important works all the time and can't be stopped.

The only thing that makes cloak better skill vs dots is amount of enemies. Cloak allows you to instantly negate damage of more than 5 dots, while single cast of ritual lets you deal with 5 dots at best (usually less because of some secondary negative effects).

Now please excuse me I'm going to play my dusted off OP MAGPLAR

to respond to your points.

1. Cloak has counters, but the counters do not work at the range this build can potentially operate from. I can literally dot people up from range and just watch health bars tick

2. your opponent cannot recover health and resources. This build has 4k magicka regen with continuous attack while crouched. I stack dots, you purge, i stack them again. This is also ignoring the fact skoria is also ticking on you, so purge, you hit honor the dead etc. Let's see who runs out of resources first.

3. 4k magicka recovery, you cannot cast dots on that which you cannot see.

fred4 wrote: »

I watch a lot of Else's content and tried Darloc Brae when he first mentioned he wanted to try that set weeks ago. It's a crap set and this is a poor build. Actually I thought this video was particularly poor, because all he's done is take his ranged build, change to greatsword, yet he isn't even using Onslaught (not that it would make sense in a DOT build). Play flame staff for the same damage and better (magic-based) light attacks, if you're not using 2H skills. 2H makes no sense. Just a quick way to put out a "melee" magblade build for the uninformed. I like the guy a lot. I generally appreciate his reasoning and theory-crafting skills, but this was a poor effort.

I am speaking as a perma-cloaking melee magblade main. The problem with Darloc Brae is, it gives you regen when you don't need it, out of combat, and fails when you do need it, in combat. Come up against a good player, do you think they will let you crouch and get regen? Nope. They'll use AOE, detect pots, and so on. They'll just kill you, cause you have no real sustain *. On the other hand, if your plan is to totally cloak away whenever you are low on resources, then Meditate is IMO far superior. Just hide behind a tree for a few seconds. Twice the regen of Darloc Brae. You want to sacrifice a 5-piece, rather than a skill slot? Then wear Darloc Brae, I suppose. IMO the existence of Meditate nails the coffin for Darloc Brae.

EDIT 1: I can see the synergy of Darloc Brae with Mist Form, but he's not even using that in the build.

* EDIT 2: By that I mean you have to shield. Now, if I remember correctly, Dampen / Harness won't uncloak/uncrouch you, but Healing Ward will. I am beginning to see ways Darloc Brae could be really broken. Still not convinced, though.

Sorry you didn't like the build. This build is completely different from my ranged build though since I am using 3 damage over time effects on this one to zero on my ranged one. 5 different skills, different weapon on the front bar, utilizing cloak instead of no cloak. It's a different build.

I am not running onslaught because I didn't have it. I was leveling 2h for bombing, incap with its defile is probably better to go with dots, so I went with soul harvest. I mention that in the video.

AOE detect pots don't work within the range of this build. If they run them, you have shadow image and a big stat pool to dodge roll a few times, sprint, block etc...essentially get away from your opponent and your shadow image to then get back to your image, crouch, and regen your resources in seconds. Even in the worst case scenario you still have 45k max magicka with a pretty decent sized dampen, harness magicka, shadow image etc.

You do have *real* sustain. You apply your dots, you crouch, you get your sustain. You do not have to be hidden to get this regen, just crouched. That's how the set works. If you don't like this setup you could run a litany of other sets that would give you good regen and do something similar. This is a good set for it though because of what the 5 piece does. It's niche, but the point with the build was once again to show that getting 3k dot ticks on 3 separate dots at the same time, while running only one damage set is imbalanced in the current meta.