Are patches ruining the game?

Tamriellnes · September 2019

I am not questioning any spesific patch, change, nerf or buff made to the game during the years it has been out. I question the reason. Some nerfs are obvious, most patches has legit reasons to, its all about balancing the playstyle and all right, and hotfixes must be made, fair enough.
But for players like me, having played the game since release its very clear that 90% of the changes made are to please new players, decreasing the gap to vet players. While we, the vets are left with a charcter or eight thats no longer op, after spending so much time and effort to finetune it. Does not zos/bethesda care about us?
More and more of my old eso friends have left the game now. I think its sad, but maybe Im just too old at the age of 25, maybe this is just me lacking the ability to go with the flow and the changes, I dont know..
I just miss "the old days"

Vapirko · September 2019

Too old at 25

Relax and enjoy your 20s.

LeHarrt91 · September 2019

Tamriellnes wrote: »

I am not questioning any spesific patch, change, nerf or buff made to the game during the years it has been out. I question the reason. Some nerfs are obvious, most patches has legit reasons to, its all about balancing the playstyle and all right, and hotfixes must be made, fair enough.
But for players like me, having played the game since release its very clear that 90% of the changes made are to please new players, decreasing the gap to vet players. While we, the vets are left with a charcter or eight thats no longer op, after spending so much time and effort to finetune it. Does not zos/bethesda care about us?
More and more of my old eso friends have left the game now. I think its sad, but maybe Im just too old at the age of 25, maybe this is just me lacking the ability to go with the flow and the changes, I dont know..
I just miss "the old days"

Your a 90's kid, we live for Nostalgia.

But you need to come to terms with the fact that as an MMO things change a lot and often.
And that they get more money from new players than old ones, so its better to balance to them.

Vhozek · September 2019

Patches ruin all games that never had an issue to begin with. Look at Super Smash Bros. Melee
All its patches made the game worse. At least it's still good.

Beolund · September 2019

Tamriellnes wrote: »

I think its sad, but maybe Im just too old at the age of 25, maybe this is just me lacking the ability to go with the flow and the changes, I dont know..
I just miss "the old days"

lol

xSkullfox · September 2019

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Drdeath20 · September 2019

You have played the game since launch and you dont feel the game is better now?!? I think you are forgetting just how bad the game was.

crjs1 · September 2019

The game as all MMOs relies on new players to keep the money flowing so I have no problem with it changing to better support new players, especially as the game continues to grow with chapters and DLC. The gap between a newbie and max CP is huge and incredibly daunting for new players I’m all for things that will mitigate or close that gap.

GrimTheReaper45 · September 2019

I seriously have grown to hate patches.

Edziu · September 2019

Drdeath20 wrote: »

You have played the game since launch and you dont feel the game is better now?!? I think you are forgetting just how bad the game was.

and I tihnk you are forgeting how game was pretty good before avalanche of to mny unecessary changes which started with morrowind

@Tamriellnes
hard to even think what ZOS want from this game....while they are "homogenizing" classes to make game "more pleasant, easier" for new players at same time they are destroying more this game as eveyrthing is going to be harder at all with not to mention every new dlc they are adding with new group content is for high endgame, hardcore players to be able to complete this while at same time making changes from which many those players leaving

so what is going with it? make changes for new players, screw old players while still add hard content to be able to be completed only by old exp players which are leaving this game with every newer patch because of many stupid changes while leaving hard af content for exp players to newbies which have problem with even basic veteran content

as it was said many times here and nto only here... "they are killing it"

and any mmo will never live to long with only new players, new players are fast burning out of game like this if they dont mind to play everything which is in this game so what is goign with it - l2p - and as ZOS cleary doesnt respect old lyal players here...all I can say is that if not just TES title in this game...this game would die short after release, now this is milkking machine of new players which dont have their own mind about this game and are gonna pay mindlessy a lot for *** which they dont even know this is not worth *** or atleast not worth that much (look at some crown store crap, houses worth more than just game or dlc's...)

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

Tamriellnes wrote: »

I am not questioning any spesific patch, change, nerf or buff made to the game during the years it has been out. I question the reason. Some nerfs are obvious, most patches has legit reasons to, its all about balancing the playstyle and all right, and hotfixes must be made, fair enough.
But for players like me, having played the game since release its very clear that 90% of the changes made are to please new players, decreasing the gap to vet players. While we, the vets are left with a charcter or eight thats no longer op, after spending so much time and effort to finetune it. Does not zos/bethesda care about us?
More and more of my old eso friends have left the game now. I think its sad, but maybe Im just too old at the age of 25, maybe this is just me lacking the ability to go with the flow and the changes, I dont know..
I just miss "the old days"

Your a 90's kid, we live for Nostalgia.

But you need to come to terms with the fact that as an MMO things change a lot and often.
And that they get more money from new players than old ones, so its better to balance to them.

yep, with nostalgia to working as intendeed game, classes, where classes in this game had reason to exist etc while now? I dont see any good use of class skills for dps role for example, classes are much useless now, now you are choosing class more for passives than active skills to play lol

jaekobcaed · September 2019

Patches are crucial to any persistent, online game. Making the game experience easier for newcomers isn't really a bad thing. We need new players or the game will die. ESO is more of a game about the journey, rather than the destination. That's not to say we shouldn't still do things for vet players, not by any means. The problem here is that not everything needs to be geared toward vets. Not everything needs to buff gear. Balancing, fixing bugs, continually improving the gameplay experience for all, that's what's important.

Edziu · September 2019

jaekobcaed wrote: »

Patches are crucial to any persistent, online game. Making the game experience easier for newcomers isn't really a bad thing. We need new players or the game will die. ESO is more of a game about the journey, rather than the destination. That's not to say we shouldn't still do things for vet players, not by any means. The problem here is that not everything needs to be geared toward vets. Not everything needs to buff gear. Balancing, fixing bugs, continually improving the gameplay experience for all, that's what's important.

yep, in overall this isnt if it is doing with knowledg, if devs actually know what they are doing

but in this game we see after not just single patch but after years how it is going ZOS still dosnt know even half of thing in this game how it works, how it should work and what is going with it with every new patch they dont even know what and how for what they are changing

its like they are playing russian roulette but with 5 of 6 bullets inside instead of just 1 bullet (because this would be their knowledge of this game based of their experience with ESO) and after that long time of this game, since release they was lucky maybe just once and not be shotted after these 5 years

nafensoriel · September 2019

Tamriellnes wrote: »

I am not questioning any spesific patch, change, nerf or buff made to the game during the years it has been out. I question the reason. Some nerfs are obvious, most patches has legit reasons to, its all about balancing the playstyle and all right, and hotfixes must be made, fair enough.
But for players like me, having played the game since release its very clear that 90% of the changes made are to please new players, decreasing the gap to vet players. While we, the vets are left with a charcter or eight thats no longer op, after spending so much time and effort to finetune it. Does not zos/bethesda care about us?
More and more of my old eso friends have left the game now. I think its sad, but maybe Im just too old at the age of 25, maybe this is just me lacking the ability to go with the flow and the changes, I dont know..
I just miss "the old days"

Not patching an online game is like not breathing for a human. Both with identical results for the subject matter.

Also 25 aint old enough to be nostalgic. Seriously you are barely off your parents' couch. Not meant to be an insult we've all been kids. It's just that people assume they are old because something changed.. thats a bad way of viewing it. My generation was born before publically accessable computer games existed. I've lived the entire PC game evolution and have a bloody Tandy down stairs. I still don't feel nostalgic because the future is change and embracing change is choosing to live rather than simply exist.

AcadianPaladin · September 2019

Been playing daily for 3 years. The game has trained me to anticipate each patch with pessimism instead of optimism. Bottom line is that, in general, patches make my game less fun. Have I seen improvements? Yes, but those have been outweighed by nerfs that, because I play solo PvE, simply make my characters less fun and effective while providing zero benefit to me.

I get that my perspective as a PvE soloist is different than the perspective of dungeon groups or PvPers but that doesn't make my perspective any less valid. Particularly when a few polls I've seen here lead me to believe that roughly a third of ESO players consider themselves primarily solo players.

SydneyGrey · September 2019

90% of the nerfs and buffs happen just to balance PvP. It's necessary for PvP players, and endlessly frustrating for everybody else. It seems like PvP players get prioritized in this game. I don't think that most of the changes happen because of new players at all. Some of them, yes, but mostly it's just to balance PvP.

Morgul667 · September 2019

Im never excited on patch day

I should but im not

Chufu · September 2019

Of course with every new patch, ESO is "dead" again!

(same story since 2014)

To the actual patch I agree that it's a bit sad again to see that this new DOT-rotation is there and also some adjustments to classes were made. Normally it's not bad to bring changes into a game to make it still interesting for everyone. For me personally it's still no the most enjoyable way of playing ESO, because this light-attack-thing is still hard to do as a casual player and the gap between the DPS of a casual player and a very good one is getting bigger now. But yeah just my opinion.

I still love the atmosphere and the community, I just feel there is something that could be changed to make it nice(er) again.

Tommy_The_Gun · September 2019

The game ? No.
The game balance ? Yes.

Jaraal · September 2019

jaekobcaed wrote: »

Balancing, fixing bugs, continually improving the gameplay experience for all, that's what's important.

I've been playing for years, and have yet to see ANY of this. Performance gets progressively worse with each patch, bugs continue to go unfixed.... class abilities, speed, racial passives, werewolves, etc continue to get butchered into irrelevance, and so forth.

So many promises continually go unfulfilled. What's the next event that will be cancelled because they don't know how to fix things?

TelvanniWizard · September 2019

From Morrowind everything has gone downhill...

Drdeath20 · September 2019

Pre morrowind lol. Im talking like from launch till now.

JackDaniell · September 2019

Patches are hit and miss with ZOS,

But like little hits big misses you know?

Delparis · September 2019

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · September 2019

It's not the patches ruining the game:

Olupajmibanan · September 2019

The changes are fine (some are good some are not), but the frequency of game changes is exceptionaly bad. Having a lot of significant changes every 3 months is the worst pattern I've ever seen. It would be so much better for players and ZoS alike to have big meta shift with a looot of significant changes once year. Between this huge patches we would have only some fining and tuning, but nothing drastic.

What we have now, huge meta shake every 3 months is terrible. Like seriously, even Riot who does balance tuning on a weekly basis does not do drastic changes more than once a year.

GraphicArtistYT · September 2019

Tamriellnes wrote: »

I am not questioning any spesific patch, change, nerf or buff made to the game during the years it has been out. I question the reason. Some nerfs are obvious, most patches has legit reasons to, its all about balancing the playstyle and all right, and hotfixes must be made, fair enough.
But for players like me, having played the game since release its very clear that 90% of the changes made are to please new players, decreasing the gap to vet players. While we, the vets are left with a charcter or eight thats no longer op, after spending so much time and effort to finetune it. Does not zos/bethesda care about us?
More and more of my old eso friends have left the game now. I think its sad, but maybe Im just too old at the age of 25, maybe this is just me lacking the ability to go with the flow and the changes, I dont know..
I just miss "the old days"

Ye. Rip ESO

Gilvoth · September 2019

we have to adjust our builds to accommodate the changes, this is nothing new, been this way in eso since beta, and is in ALL mmo's for the past 10 years +
go with the changes, or you will not remain strong.

Olupajmibanan · September 2019

Gilvoth wrote: »

we have to adjust our builds to accommodate the changes, this is nothing new, been this way in eso since beta, and is in ALL mmo's for the past 10 years +
go with the changes, or you will not remain strong.

Not that often. Name one MMO outside of ESO that does drastic metashift every 3 months.

Keledus · September 2019

Another complain thread for the slightest changes.
I agree metas shouldn't change so often but some people are just overexaggerating every slightest change.

However you still have to keep in mind that you're playing a MMO, most MMO's either have weekly patches or monthly patches, if monthly they're obviously much bigger patches than weekly ones however having monthly patches means if there's something broken and they want to fix it they'd have to hotfix(if even possible to hotfix) or wait till patchday which could make you wait a month for a fix.