Please fix costume dyeing.

Deathbat219 · September 2019

The costume dyeing is terrible right now. If I want to dye something black i expect it to be black not grey. Here's an example of a costume dyed with only Coldharbour Ash Black but it's mostly grey.

ZOS please change how the original costume colors blend with dyes.

red_emu · September 2019

The system is designed to be realistic, hence the colours will look different on different types of materials and fabrics. Just like IRL.

Hluill · September 2019

Sure, I understand how different materials absorb dye or hold paint differently.

And I like how different materials react to different dyes. Metal can be glossy and cloth can be flat.

But, if I see a flat, red door, I can paint it glossy black, though it may take several coats...

This is true for clothes as well. It may take several treatments of dye, but black dye should make things black.

Since I can craft a sword from ore to fighting in a few seconds, I should be able to dye things black fairly simply.

barney2525 · September 2019

IMHO,

The color on the dye bar should end up being the color on the fabric.

Which Rarely happens.

I understand the farbic ... (or fabric for those who know how to spell )... issue, however, the fabric should just affect the texture - shiny, dull, in between, etc. The color itself should not change at all. Anything else is just false advertising.

IMHO

bluebird · September 2019

red_emu wrote: »

The system is designed to be realistic, hence the colours will look different on different types of materials and fabrics. Just like IRL.

No they're not. Some dyes transform simple cloth into high-sheen silk or rubbery latex. That's not how dyes work.

Also, when we're trying to dye costumes, we're choosing a colour. 'Coldharbor Ash Black' is a colour that shouldn't be paler than 'Windhelm Steel' grey. It doesn't matter if silk is harder to dye than cotton, we choose a colour because we want it to look like that colour no matter how much pigment it takes.

So yeah, it would be nice if ZOS sorted out their costumes. Some materials are really terrible and dye like crap. What's the point in unlocking 100+ colours with different hues and saturations if the garbage cloth they're selling for 1000 Crowns can only take 10 colours properly? The Crystal Tower Sapiarch's Gown in the image above is one such example, it transforms literally every colour into a shiny pale pastel. And the metal trim on the Orc Wise Woman's Vestment ends up a pale faded colour no matter how rich and warm the gold dye that you use is.

tl;dr: Yes I agree with you OP

Would be nice if costumes had some consistency. Or at least if we could preview them with dyes before we purchase them, to avoid disappointment.

red_emu · September 2019

Well if anyone thinks that ZOS is gonna re-do the entire system of dyes, change every single texture etc....you can dream on. It's never gonna happen. Dye system is as it is.

StormeReigns · September 2019

bluebird wrote: »

We nee more rubbery latex costumes.

+1 I agree!

Asys · September 2019

red_emu wrote: »

Well if anyone thinks that ZOS is gonna re-do the entire system of dyes, change every single texture etc....you can dream on. It's never gonna happen. Dye system is as it is.

is is this eh hrm is you him that Matt F dude?

molecule · September 2019

Legates Black is the best black dye

Dirtybyrd · September 2019

Deathbat219 wrote: »

The costume dyeing is terrible right now. If I want to dye something black i expect it to be black not grey. Here's an example of a costume dyed with only Coldharbour Ash Black but it's mostly grey.
ZOS please change how the original costume colors blend with dyes.

Just fix the colors please I was keeping it to myself but since this post came out I will just say my peace and hope for the best. "THE COLORS ARE BROKEN PLEASE CORRECT THEM" Thumbs up to "Deathbat219"

Taleof2Cities · September 2019

Deathbat219 wrote: »

Here's an example of a costume dyed with only Coldharbour Ash Black but it's mostly grey.

bluebird wrote: »

'Coldharbor Ash Black' is a colour that shouldn't be paler than 'Windhelm Steel' grey.

I’ve said it in a number of other threads like this one:

You really shouldn’t be using Coldharbor Ash Black to try to dye costumes black. It’s an off-black with a brownish (or in this case grey) effect.

Legate Black works a lot better for a true black ... as shown by a screenshot of my Argonian Healer below.

In other words, it’s not a problem with the dye system ... you’re just using the wrong dye for the effect you want.

emilyhyoyeon · September 2019

molecule wrote: »

Legates Black is the best black dye

I see people say this a lot. I've noticed coldharbour black is matte whereas legate black is a little shiny but they look more or less the same in terms of blackness. I wonder if it's because more people prefer the shiny look (I prefer matte)

I agree with the OP and I think bluebird explained the issue particularly well

bluebird · September 2019

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Deathbat219 wrote: »

Here's an example of a costume dyed with only Coldharbour Ash Black but it's mostly grey.

bluebird wrote: »

'Coldharbor Ash Black' is a colour that shouldn't be paler than 'Windhelm Steel' grey.

I’ve said it in a number of other threads like this one:

You really shouldn’t be using Coldharbor Ash Black to try to dye costumes black. It’s an off-black with a brownish (or in this case grey) effect.

Legate Black works a lot better for a true black ... as shown by a screenshot of my Argonian Healer below.

In other words, it’s not a problem with the dye system ... you’re just using the wrong dye for the effect you want.

Yeah, no, thanks. It's definitely the dye system.
Coldharbor Ash Black is always a black or at the very least a dark grey.
The costume in OP's post washes out every colour into pastels. Daedric Red into pink. Contraband Violet into pale lilac.

You're of course very welcome to post your own pictures of the dress in Legate Black if you think the issue is the dye and not the fabric (spoiler: it is absolutely the fabric).

nafensoriel · September 2019

Deathbat219 wrote: »

/snipsnip.

The unfortunate limitations of PBR.

Could it handle metalic cloth or rich colors? Yes... but it's not free. For something like a movie(prerendered) it's not an issue but for a game(realtime) it's a major issue.

Look up some information on Physics Based Rendering if you are curious about how relatively simple things can cause such profoundly different effects on textures.

mystkldrgnb14_ESO · September 2019

Yea, the fact that I have 6 different 'blacks' and NONE of them dye 'black' consistently - means its a problem with the system.

Sure, you can have some blacks that are more brown, or blue, or grey - but this isn't CONSISTENT in this system. I can put the same color on five outfits and come out with five different colors. That shouldn't be at all how this works.

You can "real world" logic that all you want, but we all know the system isn't designed like this because its more "real world" reflective. Bullcrap. This isn't purposeful. The system is designed poorly, which allows for no consistency at all with "dyes" vs. "fabrics", no matter what they are.

It shouldn't be so hard to have a normal black, blue, red, etc. that works no matter what "cloth" you put it on. Every other game in existence has figured this out. This system is bugged..or broken...or whatever you want to call it. But its not working as it should.

So yes, please fix! Maybe one day....! We can dream.

NotaDaedraWorshipper · September 2019

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Deathbat219 wrote: »

Here's an example of a costume dyed with only Coldharbour Ash Black but it's mostly grey.

bluebird wrote: »

'Coldharbor Ash Black' is a colour that shouldn't be paler than 'Windhelm Steel' grey.

I’ve said it in a number of other threads like this one:

You really shouldn’t be using Coldharbor Ash Black to try to dye costumes black. It’s an off-black with a brownish (or in this case grey) effect.

Legate Black works a lot better for a true black ... as shown by a screenshot of my Argonian Healer below.

In other words, it’s not a problem with the dye system ... you’re just using the wrong dye for the effect you want.

No. They are both black. Coldharbor Ash Black has more of a matte/semi-matte finnish and a slightly warm tone, while Legate Black has a glossy finnish and a cold blue-ish black tone.
Neither/both are a true black. It depends on what you dye it on, because different costumes and outfit styles dye differently. The result would have been similar on OP's costume no matter which one they used, because that is how that costume dyes.

It's quite frustrating, because it's not consistent. Supposedly they are meant to dye a certain way depending on if the material is assigned to be cloth, leather or metal, and in many cases they stick true to this. Cloth easily dyes and takes the dye's finish aswell such as matte, glossy or something in between. Metal will always have a certain look to it so it looks like metal while leather dyes the most horrible of some reason.
But there's also a lot of exceptions within these categories, with outfits and costumes that dyes far different from the "standard". OP's costume is one of them. It will always be glossy and will make the dye much lighter on the dress' main part. The female dark elf costumes are 2 others. Which are always matte and lightens the dye aswell.

That's one of my main gripes with it. The costumes and styles are not consistent. I notice it almost every time I make outfits, since I like to mix styles when I do them and try to make them match eachother. Usually I end up having to use 1 shade of green on one part and then a different darker/lighter green on the other part.

Minyassa · September 2019

And metal on many of the new motifs and newer armor costumes dyes horribly, too. The Clockwork City motifs would be so pretty if they didn't look like crap dyed. Such a shame.

HelixUnited · September 2019

red_emu wrote: »

The system is designed to be realistic, hence the colours will look different on different types of materials and fabrics. Just like IRL.

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black silk or black cotton they are both still black, I agree with op fix the dye system

Sergykid · September 2019

another thing that someone made a topic about last year, the colors should grant the same color to different costumes. Light gray on a costume is dark gray on another costume, using the same color, and so on.

red_emu · September 2019

HelixUnited wrote: »

red_emu wrote: »

The system is designed to be realistic, hence the colours will look different on different types of materials and fabrics. Just like IRL.

black silk or black cotton they are both still black, I agree with op fix the dye system

As I said. That was their idea. I never said they implemented it well lol