Another great and unexpected experience

Hotdog_23 · August 2019

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

They need to create an optional 4x DD queue. I almost always run 4x DD for pledges anyway.

Queue times would be instant, and you'd see an end to fake tanks/healers.

Interesting idea, also make one for 1 tank and 3 dps, sorry healers.

edited for spelling

InvictusApollo · August 2019

teladoy wrote: »

Today i been matched in Veteran dungeon with 3 guys where one of them should be the healer, but he was doing damage and not healing. Then me as a Tank stop this madness and said it. They al reponded "we know". Then i started a vote to kick him but they all declined it.

I'm a man of principles and for that reason i left. The thing is that i been penalized 10 minutes for do what is right.

This happen after 5 minutes of loggin... and this is another thing i have stuck in my throat about this game, where a bunch of developers can not think in any *** solution to try and catch this kind of disturbing behavior and for that reason, because they don't want to think and they prefeer to cut by the root and put everybody in the same bag, i will just close this game and go to that classic game to see if it can change my mode.

Sadly i'm pretty sure that this kind of solutions only affect in the majority to the good people more than the bad one.

I wish you all a good night.

First of all as a tank you should not require a healer in vet dungeons.
Second of all you have no right to enforce your ignorant idea of team composition on others.
Last but not least most vet dungeons are better done with 3 DDs and one tank. I once have done vWGT with 4 DDs so your argument "we need a healer" is completely, utterly, ignorantly INVALID.
Learn how to tank properly instead of whining and acting self-righteous.

SirMewser · August 2019

After defeating a boss, the game should calculate...
2 DPS should do 30%+ group damage.
Healers should do 50%+ group healing.
Tank should take 50% group damage (mitigated/resisted values are ignored).

If they don't, they get no EXP, no loot, and no cookies.

Back when IC was released; only top 12 DPS and healers got loot, they could reintroduce that check system and have it revolve around their selected role (against themselves rather than each other). So a fake queued tank playing as DPS will have a tank check, not a DPS check. A healer can do 30%+ DPS but only qualifies for loot if they did half the effort of group healing (easy). A tank check using raw (uncalculated/unmitigated) values should have no problem netting 50% of group damage since all those periodic LA attacks that NPCs/Bosses do should rack up, even better if they can endure, meaning they have actual mitigation and are holding as they should.

Of course the numbers could be adjusted, but I don't see why this old check system couldn't be revived and improved upon.

Protossyder · August 2019

teladoy wrote: »

kojou wrote: »

So did the group have trouble killing something, or did you just drop out of principle?

Both. The people die and resurrect randomly in the first 3 pulls. Then I quickly I realize it would be a *** to fight bosses like that.

So after all the proofs and facts, and with the help of my honorable and truly convictions, i followed my principles and I left.

So you are telling me that the mobs were running around freely and weren't taunted/cc'd by you?

There are only two reasons for a dd to die in a 3 dd run:
1. the dd didn't walk out of avoidable damage (stupidity/afk)
2. the tank didn't do his job

teladoy · August 2019

Ackwalan wrote: »

ZOS did think of a way to fix that. You can start a vote kick, and if the vote fails, you can leave.

You read nothing i believe...

teladoy · August 2019

grkkll wrote: »

was he just damaging or laying down HoTs and buffs and debuffs and damaging? When the going is easy, e.g. for mobs there's nothing wrong with switching to damage mode, especially in non DLC vets, in fact if I'm playing as DD or Tank I expect a healer to contribute damage in those situations. I thought standard healer build was resto front bar shock back bar. You say your principles meant you left but that could just be construed as a big huff. I think the game can be taken too seriously at times, it is just a game after all

read more please... i said that the people die and resurrect randomly in the first 3 pulls! Can you imagine a boss fight where if you die then somebody has to ress you and without healer??

He was very clear doing dps, i saw it with my own eyes! he was a fire DK as healer, doing damage and only damage, not even one heal, to say at least, well he has a resto staff equiped!

xbangax · August 2019

InvictusApollo wrote: »

teladoy wrote: »

Today i been matched in Veteran dungeon with 3 guys where one of them should be the healer, but he was doing damage and not healing. Then me as a Tank stop this madness and said it. They al reponded "we know". Then i started a vote to kick him but they all declined it.

I'm a man of principles and for that reason i left. The thing is that i been penalized 10 minutes for do what is right.

This happen after 5 minutes of loggin... and this is another thing i have stuck in my throat about this game, where a bunch of developers can not think in any *** solution to try and catch this kind of disturbing behavior and for that reason, because they don't want to think and they prefeer to cut by the root and put everybody in the same bag, i will just close this game and go to that classic game to see if it can change my mode.

Sadly i'm pretty sure that this kind of solutions only affect in the majority to the good people more than the bad one.

I wish you all a good night.

First of all as a tank you should not require a healer in vet dungeons.
Second of all you have no right to enforce your ignorant idea of team composition on others.
Last but not least most vet dungeons are better done with 3 DDs and one tank. I once have done vWGT with 4 DDs so your argument "we need a healer" is completely, utterly, ignorantly INVALID.
Learn how to tank properly instead of whining and acting self-righteous.

you tell him he has no right to force his idea. . . then you immediately try to do the same thing that you just accused him of lol

Ackwalan · August 2019

teladoy wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

ZOS did think of a way to fix that. You can start a vote kick, and if the vote fails, you can leave.

You read nothing i believe...

I read it. I also didn't let my ego get in the way. You should try that. The vote kick on the healer failed, could it be they saw tank as weak member and not the healer.

svendf · August 2019

InvictusApollo wrote: »

teladoy wrote: »

Today i been matched in Veteran dungeon with 3 guys where one of them should be the healer, but he was doing damage and not healing. Then me as a Tank stop this madness and said it. They al reponded "we know". Then i started a vote to kick him but they all declined it.

I'm a man of principles and for that reason i left. The thing is that i been penalized 10 minutes for do what is right.

This happen after 5 minutes of loggin... and this is another thing i have stuck in my throat about this game, where a bunch of developers can not think in any *** solution to try and catch this kind of disturbing behavior and for that reason, because they don't want to think and they prefeer to cut by the root and put everybody in the same bag, i will just close this game and go to that classic game to see if it can change my mode.

Sadly i'm pretty sure that this kind of solutions only affect in the majority to the good people more than the bad one.

I wish you all a good night.

First of all as a tank you should not require a healer in vet dungeons.
Second of all you have no right to enforce your ignorant idea of team composition on others.
Last but not least most vet dungeons are better done with 3 DDs and one tank. I once have done vWGT with 4 DDs so your argument "we need a healer" is completely, utterly, ignorantly INVALID.
Learn how to tank properly instead of whining and acting self-righteous.

Maybe you should listen to your own advise big mouth. You can run your crazy combo as you wish - BUT do it with your m8 or guild if you are in any or have freinds. You are the bloody reason we geeting nerfed.

Man you people pisses me off sometimes you see nothing but yourself - go clean some windows dude

Loves_guars · August 2019

Totally agree, zos should look into these problems asap.

Kudos to op for using the word principles and trigger peeps that don't know what it means.

I always chuckle when some says his tank or healer can do 25k dps and still do their role. No, you can't. I've seen the difference between that and a real role. As a tank when I pug I go with a build that usually doesn't need much heals. But my teammates need it, and I've seen how all goes south fast when our healer is dpsing. A constant cycle of dps dying then the "healer" and me trying to resurrect everyone while getting heavy attacked. Fun.

teladoy · August 2019

Ackwalan wrote: »

teladoy wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

ZOS did think of a way to fix that. You can start a vote kick, and if the vote fails, you can leave.

You read nothing i believe...

I read it. I also didn't let my ego get in the way. You should try that. The vote kick on the healer failed, could it be they saw tank as weak member and not the healer.

It Failed because the 3 were FRIENDS that queue to get a tank!!!!

How can you say the vote failed when the 3 of them were conspiring together!!!

Ackwalan · August 2019

teladoy wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

teladoy wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

ZOS did think of a way to fix that. You can start a vote kick, and if the vote fails, you can leave.

You read nothing i believe...

I read it. I also didn't let my ego get in the way. You should try that. The vote kick on the healer failed, could it be they saw tank as weak member and not the healer.

It Failed because the 3 were FRIENDS that queue to get a tank!!!!

How can you say the vote failed when the 3 of them were conspiring together!!!

The vote failed because the vote was 3 to 1. That's how voting works.