Stamina vs Magicka inbalance
Atm stamina is so mutch stronger in pvp, even magicka sorcs are starting to complain if they complain you know the wold is going under soon. Magicka needs a way to break cc in a magicka resource way, they also need atleast 1 way of ignoring resists on enemy players stamina currently has 2 ways. Also stamina is so mutch faster, but medium armor is getting rarer in pvp so that might change, my magicka dk and templar need speed since they do damage at meele range, how have the eso team just ignored that...
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High MMR BGs are literally filled with Magplars, MagSorcs, and Magdens now, and Stamina builds have become a minority (and much easier to take down). That's how things are on PC EU at least.This is very much not true at least in bgs. Gap closers and onslaught are making mincemeat out of most caster builds.PC EU CP1400+
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High MMR BGs are literally filled with Magplars, MagSorcs, and Magdens now, and Stamina builds have become a minority (and much easier to take down). That's how things are on PC EU at least.This is very much not true at least in bgs. Gap closers and onslaught are making mincemeat out of most caster builds.
On PC-NA there’s Mystikkal (stamsorc) and there are lots of Stamwardens, Stamplars and StamDKs, I’m just bad with names so can’t remember who they are but there are a lot.Edited by Iskiab on August 22, 2019 9:49PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
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Elusiin✭✭✭✭✭Agreed, everyone is spamming charge, onslaught, and dizzying swing. The teams that win are typically all stam. It's rather annoying, plus even if you slot an immobilize or a snare, they have almost 100% immunity uptime and just walk right through. Plus movement speed is insane in PvP.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Knuckle dragging Stam thugs are doing great as usual, they all just switched to Stamplars so they can purge:
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✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Knuckle dragging Stam thugs are doing great as usual, they all just switched to Stamplars so they can purge:https://youtu.be/1eBFFYbj49w
Not sure why. Stamcro cleanse is relatively considerably cheaper even if it uses health. And they have DOT damage reduction.
Then from running both magicka and stamplar thos patch, magicka seems in a lot better shape other than for the use of onslaught which takes jabs out of it as jabs appears to no longer be both direct damage and a DOT at the same time. Of course whi cares when dizzying swing is now working well. That helps necro as well as their spammable feels pretty weak.Edited by technohic on August 23, 2019 10:49AM1 -
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High MMR BGs are literally filled with Magplars, MagSorcs, and Magdens now, and Stamina builds have become a minority (and much easier to take down). That's how things are on PC EU at least.This is very much not true at least in bgs. Gap closers and onslaught are making mincemeat out of most caster builds.
Wait till they adjust. Stam has access to soul trap just the same as mag does. Onslaught allows stam to stack far more max stat/weapon damage and devote resources to survival and escape.
In some ways, stam is even better at range right now than mag classes are. Poison injection is doing roughly the same damage as entropy, and stam soul trap is just as broken on stam as it is on mag.
BGs NA are becoming littered with very fast LOS using stam sorcs. Soul trap, gap close, dizzy/onslaught, gg. Sub in PI if using a masters bow.2 -
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High MMR BGs are literally filled with Magplars, MagSorcs, and Magdens now, and Stamina builds have become a minority (and much easier to take down). That's how things are on PC EU at least.This is very much not true at least in bgs. Gap closers and onslaught are making mincemeat out of most caster builds.
Wait till they adjust. Stam has access to soul trap just the same as mag does. Onslaught allows stam to stack far more max stat/weapon damage and devote resources to survival and escape.
In some ways, stam is even better at range right now than mag classes are. Poison injection is doing roughly the same damage as entropy, and stam soul trap is just as broken on stam as it is on mag.
BGs NA are becoming littered with very fast LOS using stam sorcs. Soul trap, gap close, dizzy/onslaught, gg. Sub in PI if using a masters bow.
Stamina doesnt offer so much healing support. I believe magicka will be still the way to go in high MMR deathmatch games.Because I can!7 -
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High MMR BGs are literally filled with Magplars, MagSorcs, and Magdens now, and Stamina builds have become a minority (and much easier to take down). That's how things are on PC EU at least.This is very much not true at least in bgs. Gap closers and onslaught are making mincemeat out of most caster builds.
Wait till they adjust. Stam has access to soul trap just the same as mag does. Onslaught allows stam to stack far more max stat/weapon damage and devote resources to survival and escape.
In some ways, stam is even better at range right now than mag classes are. Poison injection is doing roughly the same damage as entropy, and stam soul trap is just as broken on stam as it is on mag.
BGs NA are becoming littered with very fast LOS using stam sorcs. Soul trap, gap close, dizzy/onslaught, gg. Sub in PI if using a masters bow.
Stamina doesnt offer so much healing support. I believe magicka will be still the way to go in high MMR deathmatch games.
Which is why they are Stam Sorcs. Surge which procs on cooldown from soul trap is stronger than rapid regen, pair that with vigor. On top of that, you can LOS and use dark deal if you need a burst heal. Minor expedition paired with major from bow roll dodge. Shuffle so you have snare immunity.
The 2 revamped maps have insane LOS opportunities, and the previous new map did as well. Ranged targeting is very hard currently especially when paired with the horrendous performance caused by all the templar snare fields.
Stam has a very nice luxury of only needing 2 skills in order to secure kills. This allows a lot of utility and build options.Edited by iCaliban on August 23, 2019 7:06PM2 -
Tolino✭✭✭✭✭Which is why they are Stam Sorcs. Surge which procs on cooldown from soul trap is stronger than rapid regen, pair that with vigor. On top of that, you can LOS and use dark deal if you need a burst heal. Minor expedition paired with major from bow roll dodge. Shuffle so you have snare immunity.
The 2 revamped maps have insane LOS opportunities, and the previous new map did as well. Ranged targeting is very hard currently especially when paired with the horrendous performance caused by all the templar snare fields.
Stam has a very nice luxury of only needing 2 skills in order to secure kills. This allows a lot of utility and build options.
He talk about Healing Support not selfheal.Magsorc: Tôlino (Wardless)
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High MMR BGs are literally filled with Magplars, MagSorcs, and Magdens now, and Stamina builds have become a minority (and much easier to take down). That's how things are on PC EU at least.This is very much not true at least in bgs. Gap closers and onslaught are making mincemeat out of most caster builds.
Wait till they adjust. Stam has access to soul trap just the same as mag does. Onslaught allows stam to stack far more max stat/weapon damage and devote resources to survival and escape.
In some ways, stam is even better at range right now than mag classes are. Poison injection is doing roughly the same damage as entropy, and stam soul trap is just as broken on stam as it is on mag.
BGs NA are becoming littered with very fast LOS using stam sorcs. Soul trap, gap close, dizzy/onslaught, gg. Sub in PI if using a masters bow.
Stamina doesnt offer so much healing support. I believe magicka will be still the way to go in high MMR deathmatch games.
Which is why they are Stam Sorcs. Surge which procs on cooldown from soul trap is stronger than rapid regen, pair that with vigor. On top of that, you can LOS and use dark deal if you need a burst heal. Minor expedition paired with major from bow roll dodge. Shuffle so you have snare immunity.
The 2 revamped maps have insane LOS opportunities, and the previous new map did as well. Ranged targeting is very hard currently especially when paired with the horrendous performance caused by all the templar snare fields.
Stam has a very nice luxury of only needing 2 skills in order to secure kills. This allows a lot of utility and build options.
I am talking about healing not self healing.
BGs are pure numbers, bring 4 chars with 1.5 mil dps and 700k healing and watch how they destroy 4 players with 2mill dps and zero healing.Because I can!4 -
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High MMR BGs are literally filled with Magplars, MagSorcs, and Magdens now, and Stamina builds have become a minority (and much easier to take down). That's how things are on PC EU at least.This is very much not true at least in bgs. Gap closers and onslaught are making mincemeat out of most caster builds.
Wait till they adjust. Stam has access to soul trap just the same as mag does. Onslaught allows stam to stack far more max stat/weapon damage and devote resources to survival and escape.
In some ways, stam is even better at range right now than mag classes are. Poison injection is doing roughly the same damage as entropy, and stam soul trap is just as broken on stam as it is on mag.
BGs NA are becoming littered with very fast LOS using stam sorcs. Soul trap, gap close, dizzy/onslaught, gg. Sub in PI if using a masters bow.
Stamina doesnt offer so much healing support. I believe magicka will be still the way to go in high MMR deathmatch games.
Which is why they are Stam Sorcs. Surge which procs on cooldown from soul trap is stronger than rapid regen, pair that with vigor. On top of that, you can LOS and use dark deal if you need a burst heal. Minor expedition paired with major from bow roll dodge. Shuffle so you have snare immunity.
The 2 revamped maps have insane LOS opportunities, and the previous new map did as well. Ranged targeting is very hard currently especially when paired with the horrendous performance caused by all the templar snare fields.
Stam has a very nice luxury of only needing 2 skills in order to secure kills. This allows a lot of utility and build options.
I am talking about healing not self healing.
BGs are pure numbers, bring 4 chars with 1.5 mil dps and 700k healing and watch how they destroy 4 players with 2mill dps and zero healing.
You mean like this?
Yeah I agree with you. Which is why I built my MagPlar this way.0 -
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✭✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »
High MMR BGs are literally filled with Magplars, MagSorcs, and Magdens now, and Stamina builds have become a minority (and much easier to take down). That's how things are on PC EU at least.This is very much not true at least in bgs. Gap closers and onslaught are making mincemeat out of most caster builds.
Wait till they adjust. Stam has access to soul trap just the same as mag does. Onslaught allows stam to stack far more max stat/weapon damage and devote resources to survival and escape.
In some ways, stam is even better at range right now than mag classes are. Poison injection is doing roughly the same damage as entropy, and stam soul trap is just as broken on stam as it is on mag.
BGs NA are becoming littered with very fast LOS using stam sorcs. Soul trap, gap close, dizzy/onslaught, gg. Sub in PI if using a masters bow.
Stamina doesnt offer so much healing support. I believe magicka will be still the way to go in high MMR deathmatch games.
Which is why they are Stam Sorcs. Surge which procs on cooldown from soul trap is stronger than rapid regen, pair that with vigor. On top of that, you can LOS and use dark deal if you need a burst heal. Minor expedition paired with major from bow roll dodge. Shuffle so you have snare immunity.
The 2 revamped maps have insane LOS opportunities, and the previous new map did as well. Ranged targeting is very hard currently especially when paired with the horrendous performance caused by all the templar snare fields.
Stam has a very nice luxury of only needing 2 skills in order to secure kills. This allows a lot of utility and build options.
I am talking about healing not self healing.
BGs are pure numbers, bring 4 chars with 1.5 mil dps and 700k healing and watch how they destroy 4 players with 2mill dps and zero healing.
You mean like this?
Yeah I agree with you. Which is why I built my MagPlar this way.
Kind of but I prefer more damage. Though I will be glad if you are in my group.
That is how I build my magicka warden.
If I am not wrong 2 of my teammates that fight were stamina and brought nothing to the group.
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✭✭✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »
High MMR BGs are literally filled with Magplars, MagSorcs, and Magdens now, and Stamina builds have become a minority (and much easier to take down). That's how things are on PC EU at least.This is very much not true at least in bgs. Gap closers and onslaught are making mincemeat out of most caster builds.
Wait till they adjust. Stam has access to soul trap just the same as mag does. Onslaught allows stam to stack far more max stat/weapon damage and devote resources to survival and escape.
In some ways, stam is even better at range right now than mag classes are. Poison injection is doing roughly the same damage as entropy, and stam soul trap is just as broken on stam as it is on mag.
BGs NA are becoming littered with very fast LOS using stam sorcs. Soul trap, gap close, dizzy/onslaught, gg. Sub in PI if using a masters bow.
Stamina doesnt offer so much healing support. I believe magicka will be still the way to go in high MMR deathmatch games.
Which is why they are Stam Sorcs. Surge which procs on cooldown from soul trap is stronger than rapid regen, pair that with vigor. On top of that, you can LOS and use dark deal if you need a burst heal. Minor expedition paired with major from bow roll dodge. Shuffle so you have snare immunity.
The 2 revamped maps have insane LOS opportunities, and the previous new map did as well. Ranged targeting is very hard currently especially when paired with the horrendous performance caused by all the templar snare fields.
Stam has a very nice luxury of only needing 2 skills in order to secure kills. This allows a lot of utility and build options.
I am talking about healing not self healing.
BGs are pure numbers, bring 4 chars with 1.5 mil dps and 700k healing and watch how they destroy 4 players with 2mill dps and zero healing.
You mean like this?
Yeah I agree with you. Which is why I built my MagPlar this way.
Kind of but I prefer more damage. Though I will be glad if you are in my group.
That is how I build my magicka warden.
If I am not wrong 2 of my teammates that fight were stamina and brought nothing to the group.
That’s pretty nuts. I’ve done 1 million damage and 1.3 million healing, but your damage is way higher.
Were the stam total potatoes? With the hit to survivability two stam should be able to burst someone down fairly easily. It’s crazy your team didn’t win.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
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✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Knuckle dragging Stam thugs are doing great as usual, they all just switched to Stamplars so they can purge:https://youtu.be/1eBFFYbj49w
Don’t misrepresent. Kristopher is a skilled player who has been a Stamplar main for a long time. He has a very unique build and not many could run his setup and be successful with it. He changed his vibe a bit in this video. He was absolutely devistated the first day out in Scalebrealer on his Stamplar and I assume he will change his tune again. We all have ups and downs. I personally think Stamplar is doing fairly well if you’re good at it. The boosted ritual heal helps as a lot as does the improved dizzy swing. But honestly Emma, why don’t you level or gear up a stamina toon? You’ve been laying into stam builds for soooo long. If they’re really as OP as you say, why not try it out for a patch for two? You talk a lot about balance issues but don’t appear to have much experience outside of mag sorc.Edited by Vapirko on August 24, 2019 6:37AM5 -
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✭✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »
High MMR BGs are literally filled with Magplars, MagSorcs, and Magdens now, and Stamina builds have become a minority (and much easier to take down). That's how things are on PC EU at least.This is very much not true at least in bgs. Gap closers and onslaught are making mincemeat out of most caster builds.
Wait till they adjust. Stam has access to soul trap just the same as mag does. Onslaught allows stam to stack far more max stat/weapon damage and devote resources to survival and escape.
In some ways, stam is even better at range right now than mag classes are. Poison injection is doing roughly the same damage as entropy, and stam soul trap is just as broken on stam as it is on mag.
BGs NA are becoming littered with very fast LOS using stam sorcs. Soul trap, gap close, dizzy/onslaught, gg. Sub in PI if using a masters bow.
Stamina doesnt offer so much healing support. I believe magicka will be still the way to go in high MMR deathmatch games.
Which is why they are Stam Sorcs. Surge which procs on cooldown from soul trap is stronger than rapid regen, pair that with vigor. On top of that, you can LOS and use dark deal if you need a burst heal. Minor expedition paired with major from bow roll dodge. Shuffle so you have snare immunity.
The 2 revamped maps have insane LOS opportunities, and the previous new map did as well. Ranged targeting is very hard currently especially when paired with the horrendous performance caused by all the templar snare fields.
Stam has a very nice luxury of only needing 2 skills in order to secure kills. This allows a lot of utility and build options.
I am talking about healing not self healing.
BGs are pure numbers, bring 4 chars with 1.5 mil dps and 700k healing and watch how they destroy 4 players with 2mill dps and zero healing.
You mean like this?
Yeah I agree with you. Which is why I built my MagPlar this way.
Kind of but I prefer more damage. Though I will be glad if you are in my group.
That is how I build my magicka warden.
If I am not wrong 2 of my teammates that fight were stamina and brought nothing to the group.
That’s pretty nuts. I’ve done 1 million damage and 1.3 million healing, but your damage is way higher.
Were the stam total potatoes? With the hit to survivability two stam should be able to burst someone down fairly easily. It’s crazy your team didn’t win.
I think the one with 4 deaths was a healer with 200k dps and 1.3 mil healing. The other 2 brought no healing and when you fight 4 ppl with not selfish builds similar to mine you can imagine that we cannot outdps their healing but they do kill us.Because I can!0 -
Bosov✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Knuckle dragging Stam thugs are doing great as usual, they all just switched to Stamplars so they can purge:https://youtu.be/1eBFFYbj49w
Don’t misrepresent. Kristopher is a skilled player who has been a Stamplar main for a long time. He has a very unique build and not many could run his setup and be successful with it. He changed his vibe a bit in this video. He was absolutely devistated the first day out in Scalebrealer on his Stamplar and I assume he will change his tune again. We all have ups and downs. I personally think Stamplar is doing fairly well if you’re good at it. The boosted ritual heal helps as a lot as does the improved dizzy swing. But honestly Emma, why don’t you level or gear up a stamina toon? You’ve been laying into stam builds for soooo long. If they’re really as OP as you say, why not try it out for a patch for two? You talk a lot about balance issues but don’t appear to have much experience outside of mag sorc.
Not even much sorc experience i would say. If you really are experienced you would know that sorc has been one of the strongest classes for years. They received multiple nerfs, big and small, yet they are still one of the strongest classes in the game. In a lot of patches they were even the strongest class. Right now in this patch they are really good again. In this patch they can use entropy, soul trap, curse, meteor and streak me on my stamblade and there is nothing i can do about it. They also still have massive shields and high mobility.
If you (Like Emma and the other famous sorc forum warrior) always complain about how OP other classes are and how OP those mean stamina bullies are while you play a sorc, you just cant be very experienced. Unless you are just a really bad player and cant even play a sorc...Edited by Bosov on August 24, 2019 10:08AMXbox One - EU - GT : Bosov
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✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Knuckle dragging Stam thugs are doing great as usual, they all just switched to Stamplars so they can purge:https://youtu.be/1eBFFYbj49w
Don’t misrepresent. Kristopher is a skilled player who has been a Stamplar main for a long time. He has a very unique build and not many could run his setup and be successful with it. He changed his vibe a bit in this video. He was absolutely devistated the first day out in Scalebrealer on his Stamplar and I assume he will change his tune again. We all have ups and downs. I personally think Stamplar is doing fairly well if you’re good at it. The boosted ritual heal helps as a lot as does the improved dizzy swing. But honestly Emma, why don’t you level or gear up a stamina toon? You’ve been laying into stam builds for soooo long. If they’re really as OP as you say, why not try it out for a patch for two? You talk a lot about balance issues but don’t appear to have much experience outside of mag sorc.
Not even much sorc experience i would say. If you really are experienced you would know that sorc has been one of the strongest classes for years. They received multiple nerfs, big and small, yet they are still one of the strongest classes in the game. In a lot of patches they were even the strongest class. Right now in this patch they are really good again. In this patch they can use entropy, soul trap, curse, meteor and streak me on my stamblade and there is nothing i can do about it. They also still have massive shields and high mobility.
If you (Like Emma and the other famous sorc forum warrior) always complain about how OP other classes are and how OP those mean stamina bullies are while you play a sorc, you just cant be very experienced. Unless you are just a really bad player and cant even play a sorc...
Tbh I think NBs and Sorcs complained about each other so much they’re both on the weaker side right now. They both cried for nerfs to each other and got it.
I prefer stamsorcs and magblades as team mates.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten1 -
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✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »
You dont have to but it's what happened, was ridiculously easy,0 -
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✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Knuckle dragging Stam thugs are doing great as usual, they all just switched to Stamplars so they can purge:https://youtu.be/1eBFFYbj49w
Don’t misrepresent. Kristopher is a skilled player who has been a Stamplar main for a long time. He has a very unique build and not many could run his setup and be successful with it. He changed his vibe a bit in this video. He was absolutely devistated the first day out in Scalebrealer on his Stamplar and I assume he will change his tune again. We all have ups and downs. I personally think Stamplar is doing fairly well if you’re good at it. The boosted ritual heal helps as a lot as does the improved dizzy swing. But honestly Emma, why don’t you level or gear up a stamina toon? You’ve been laying into stam builds for soooo long. If they’re really as OP as you say, why not try it out for a patch for two? You talk a lot about balance issues but don’t appear to have much experience outside of mag sorc.
Yeah he adapted by going magplar. Omegalul.Zaghigoth- Orc Stamplar
Soul Razor- Altmer Magsorc
Les Drago- Redguard Stamdk
Eirius- Altmer Magdk
Stormifeth- Altmer Magplar
Disclaimer: My comments are a little sarcasm mixed with truth. If you can't handle that don't respond to me.0
