No.

Do you want to melt your PC?

Summ0n3r wrote: »

Has there been any discussion from devs about ESO ever supporting ray tracing?

Lmao

Contrary to what Jensen said It does not "just work." Lots of new things for devs to learn and code to have it working. its a known FPS killer for marginal improvement at best in graphics. Assetta Corsa just dropped RTX from its things to do list due to the massive demands of getting to work for little to no revenue.

i dont understand why people think the game is "screwed" currently, granted ive only been around for 7 months or so so i may be ignorant to the issues....

but to my eye the game looks pretty, and performs well on my current PC (specs below). the only complaint id have is load times between maps.

so whats the skinny on the game being apparently screwed?

Summ0n3r wrote: »

i dont understand why people think the game is "screwed" currently, granted ive only been around for 7 months or so so i may be ignorant to the issues....

but to my eye the game looks pretty, and performs well on my current PC (specs below). the only complaint id have is load times between maps.

so whats the skinny on the game being apparently screwed?

The looks of the game are pretty decent. As long as you don't mind the huge difference in base game resolution vs newer zones, anyways.

Its the recurring server issues, known bugs that haven't been fixed for months or years, and long overdue performance improvement to vital portions of PVE and PVP that are the problem.

If you don't experience those issues, awesome!

As for me, I PVP, so I see a fair amount of those performance issues every time I play in Cyrodiil.

Ray tracing shaves off 20-30 FPS on average. ESO would be running at 10 FPS with this enabled, on an RTX 2080 TI.

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Ray tracing shaves off 20-30 FPS on average. ESO would be running at 10 FPS with this enabled, on an RTX 2080 TI.

No, it wouldn't. You grossly misunderstand what bottlenecks ESO. In no way is the game GPU bound. As I've said many times before a 10-year-old video card can run ESO. Its minimum specs is a 460. That is between 6 and 10 times less powerful than the 2060(its comparable new card). I have a few 460s laying around for testing. Would it shock you to realize most of the game can be played with 50+FPS and full GFX options enabled with a 460? The only situations that cause major issues are PVP and trials due to what I expect is an overload of shadows and lighting effects and CPU bottlenecks causing GPU stops.

Hell... For kicks, I just tested ESO for 15m on the iGPU of a skylake(intel 530) and noticed very few situations that really pushed it. If you lower the settings its fully playable. That pretty much tells you exactly where the GPU difficulty bar is for ESO.
That isn't to say the game doesn't punish computers, however. Its very CPU abusive.
... and no don't say "but it only uses 15% of my cores!. The windows performance monitor(or most performance monitors really) does not report CPU usage correctly for things like games and it never really has.

Raytracing itself with proper hardware support would in no way seriously impact the performance of ESO beyond bumping the min specs to GTX 6** or even possibly 9** series. Still 5+ years of hardware gap.

@RexyCat
Raytracing is a lighting solution. Game design has nothing whatsoever to do with it. All it does is mimic a more realistic lighting effect. Pretty much your entire post was dead wrong.

Old school lighting was: is in range of "light source"? then apply "light"
Then we moved to bloom which varied the intensity as you moved away from the source.
Then we moved to PBR where materials reflected "light" in different ways.
Now we are in actual ray-traced lighting which mimics how light actually works. IE if your floor is shiny lino there is reflected light that hits the underside of a desk. Before the desk would simply be either lit or unlit.

Its purpose is to replicate how you expect a scene to be lit. There is quite seriously ZERO other considerations for using it. Nothing in design is significantly different from how you'd use bloom or PBR. It just does those things considerably better at a considerable cost to more complex visual scenes.

Summ0n3r wrote: »

Has there been any discussion from devs about ESO ever supporting ray tracing?

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Wait til you get 2 disconnects in a row while killing the last boss of a vet trial. You will learn the meaning of "salty".

Boy, that'd be cool on my 2070.

When I saw screenshots of other games with ray tracing, I didn't like how it made the game look. The light effects looked great, like the sunbeams and such. But stuff on the textures became really bad looking, like it were 30 year old graphics.

Would love to have a 4k texture pack for TESO though, for those who can run it! Would make the game look amazing.

Mitrenga wrote: »

Wait til you get 2 disconnects in a row while killing the last boss of a vet trial. You will learn the meaning of "salty".

Don't forget how you have to dance around to even get your loot from corpses. In this patch it is less of a problem, but before it was really a PITA. Teleporting around like crazy and next you had to find out where game had decided that body should have been and wander back to even be able to get that loot.

This happened also in Dungeons from my knowledge at bosses.

//RexyCat

Amksed1991 wrote: »

This comment is directed to the "The game looks good to me" crowd.

That is all fine and dandy that you think it looks good by your perception but if you actually have monitoring software open while you play this game you would see that this game does not do well in terms of utilization.

This game is heavy CPU bound. With max settings and even playing at a higher resolution (2560x1080) I am lucky if my GPU is even hitting 50% usage. It basically just does not utilize your GPU like a game should. It's why you will get random FPS drops out in the open world because the game does not know how to communicate well with the CPU/GPU and loading textures.

I addressed that. Windows performance monitors and monitors, in general, do not accurately depict utilization. They never have. Their metrics for assuming utilization are built around an ideology that is to "global" to actually tell you anything specific.

Without getting into really boring technical details assume that windows perfmon bases its percentage utilization based on total operations done against total possible operations done. Where this fails is in the complexity of modern processors when something, like a game, only needs to use 45% of those processes but it needs all 45% all the time. According to windows you'd only be using 45% of the CPU when in actuality that CPU is not usable for any other task period dot end due to the load currently on it.

As to the game utilizing the GPU it actually does that exactly how any game does it. There isn't magic stupidity here its just a case of the game being more CPU weighted than GPU. Most people will think that this means bad optimization but that is technically not accurate. While ESO may or may not have optimization issues(we can assume all we want but no code means no facts) it's a design choice to use more CPU to the point that you don't have enough meat to feed a GPU completely. If the game was Rimworld people automatically accept that so much is going on in the background the graphics have to be simple.. in eso they are less accepting because it actually does have decent graphics for an MMO of its era so obviously "It must just be lazy devs not making the game prettier.".

Very few games actually have bad communication with the GPU. Directx etc kinda makes it difficult to fubar that badly. It's possible.. and bugs happen all the time with this.. but the actual communication isn't ever really a problem. You get random FPS drops because the game works like most open-world games and loads cells as you get near them. If you go near a busy cell boom.. temp drop as everything loads and rebalances around suddenly way more things happening than before. This is also why you disconnect when you rapidly charge into a huge keep fight in AVA. You hit that cell and try to load it with all the other cells you just power sprinted through and the games hamster catches on fire and runs for the hill. You can verify this by very slowly entering a keep area and you will pretty much never disconnect because you give the software time to do its thing.

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@Sarannah
What you actually want is better texture handling and effects and better optimized 2k textures. 4k really doesn't give you much for many things and is a flat out waste of resources in most cases outside of terrain and large textures(like a billboard in FO4). You could scale all the textures automatically to 4k and the game would actually look worse due to jarring sharpness. Thats the most likely reason they dont just upscale all the old zones.. It takes time and effort to retouch and reoptimize textures to a higher format. Some automation is possible.. but not as much as people think if you want truly professional quality.