Current state of ESO... Time to leave?

Expert · August 2019

Lets be entirely honest, over the last year a lot has changed in the game.

Nobody should ever have to go through this, if you are strong and love ESO but survived what's listed below...

-Destabilized Servers
-Constant client crashes forcing you to log back in to face repeated crashes.
-Terrible ping and lack of accessibility to using skills during primetime or active american hours.
-Constant bugs, things not executing properly. I'm a magsorc, I'm facing Overload bug, shield bug, streak bug, atro bug, frag bug, undo bug, hp desync bug, sprint bug, and more... Just for 1 class, I'm sure other classes have similarities.

Then I congratulate you for surviving all that I've listed above, that you love ESO to the point that you're fully committed. Because in return, ZOS has decided to take in 0% feedback and force dots upon everybody. And the gap between our devs and community grows larger than ever before, the purpose of our class rep program was to bring things together. Since Kena left everything has gone downhill honestly, a new nightblade class rep known as Gilliam has been bringing bad ideas to the table. This is not a personal attack but just a critic, and I don't know who's responsible for bringing ideas to templars, but what has happened to Templars? The last few patches was simply out of bias and lack of open thought when fighting other classes or builds.

With dots being forced upon us and Templars being buffed, you only give everyone on your game a 1 way ticket to hope. Rerolling yourself into a templar so you can cleanse off the dot meta and overwhelm people as a HEAL IDENTITY CLASS.

Templars accessibility to CC's, debuffs, and buffs is overwhelming. I know passives are getting readdressed in U24, but lets investigate further into Templars and compare them to mDK.

mDK is the king of pressure, outperformed by templars. And just to compare the two classes a bit better, I'll go further into heals and sustain, and why templars are superior even when it comes to containing the player and pressuring them down.

-Templars have stronger sustain than magDK due to HoTs being strong and rune focus yielding so much resist and free magicka sustain.

-Templars have stronger pressure than magDK due to burning light passive proc, jabs going through block, rolls, it's an aoe ability. Crescents hitting higher than dragonleaps and pulsating ticks as a strong dot. Power of the light acts as a strong burst, and the problem is.. Templars have so much natural damage that can severely overwhelm players up close. Remember guys, this is a healer class, I want healer dps class to exist but not overwhelm people to the point that it's stronger than magDK.

-Templars can contain the fight better than a magDK, toppling charge them into an offbalance, snare, eclipse them into immobilization and force stun. Somebody once said as a Magplar, that fossilize is overpowered because it has 2 cc's with 1 ability. One the morphs of Eclipse yields 3 cc's, snare, immobilization, and stun with 1 ability. And while you're unable to counterplay it as it's constantly reapplied you're forced to play defensive. And remember, templar can overwhelm you if you're on defense. It's the new evolved version of magDK, your best defense is a strong offense against templars. You can't perform offense when you're cc'ing urself off those eclipse spams. <-- NOTE THAT

-Templars have stronger heals than magDK, THIS IS INTENDED. That's the identity of being a templar, you're a blessing of whatever holy lord ESO has, you're a support with a vision that ur heals will impact combat. You can cleanse, hold block, and spam breath of life and honor the dead. If you self apply eclipse while doing this, there's room for 0% punishment as ur getting ur sustain back from honor the dead and rune focus. If that doesn't make the cut, ele drain will do it for you.

People for a long time have said magDK and magsorcs are overpowered because of older updates, it's disappointing that even after shield nerfs and sustain nerfs, people still continue to say we're overpowered.

The last thing this world needs aside from dot meta is our identity to be thrown out the window. MagDK has lost its identity the most, corrosive is replaced by onslaught, dots are accessible to everyone, people are blocking like a magDK on different classes because they know their sustain on that other class such as warden or templar will be beneficial unlike magDK.

I just want to put in all this, I will honestly think since the class rep program fell apart and was replaced with new people, we are losing the games qualities. Brian Wheeler once said in May 2014, "everything is held by duct tape and bubble-gum".

This is the current state of your brand. The class rep program is nonexistent, your destabilized servers caused bad performance issues, the client crashes, the dots taking over the pvp platform ruining all identity and playstyle/diversity, the bugs forcing us to die or have disadvantages, and if everyone survived the nasty sticky mess of all this.... Usually you learn, I will never want to deal with this mess again. And that is the same wording for how I feel about this game.

Just remember, this was all done in less than 1 year. Imagine what the future years will look like for you as more things fall apart and more gum and duct tape keeps getting added. This is a multi-million dollar game and as much as I love ESO. You make it hard to play through layer after layer of band aid fixes. It's not a quality game anymore, it's just simulator of frustration with the incapability of playing the game because 3 issues. Bugs, performance issues, and Client crashes.

/salt

Insco851 · August 2019

TLa de da DR

VaranisArano · August 2019

When you have to ask if its time to leave...

So can we have your stuff?

Nestor · August 2019

When have I seen this thread before? Oh yea, the last time a balance change was made.

Expert · August 2019

Insco851 wrote: »

TLa de da DR

You don't read while navigating through a forum in text? What are you contributing then

Expert · August 2019

Nestor wrote: »

When have I seen this thread before? Oh yea, the last time a balance change was made.

So the introduction and closing statement was about server performance, client crashes, and bugs. Glad you can relate this to balance changes, your insight has really contributed a lot.

Morgul667 · August 2019

Performance is simply horrible

I dont play anymore
I just dont feel like it

Nestor · August 2019

And 90% of your post was about balance changes.

Vapirko · August 2019

Is this a quitting thread or an I think my class is too weak thread. I feel insanely strong on my mag DK this patch. The new Entropy and soul trap is more than enough extra pressure so that I can drop skoria for bloodspawn in heavy meaning I’m insanely tanky as well.

zParallaxz · August 2019

Expert wrote: »

Lets be entirely honest, over the last year a lot has changed in the game.

Nobody should ever have to go through this, if you are strong and love ESO but survived what's listed below...

-Destabilized Servers
-Constant client crashes forcing you to log back in to face repeated crashes.
-Terrible ping and lack of accessibility to using skills during primetime or active american hours.
-Constant bugs, things not executing properly. I'm a magsorc, I'm facing Overload bug, shield bug, streak bug, atro bug, frag bug, undo bug, hp desync bug, sprint bug, and more... Just for 1 class, I'm sure other classes have similarities.

Then I congratulate you for surviving all that I've listed above, that you love ESO to the point that you're fully committed. Because in return, ZOS has decided to take in 0% feedback and force dots upon everybody. And the gap between our devs and community grows larger than ever before, the purpose of our class rep program was to bring things together. Since Kena left everything has gone downhill honestly, a new nightblade class rep known as Gilliam has been bringing bad ideas to the table. This is not a personal attack but just a critic, and I don't know who's responsible for bringing ideas to templars, but what has happened to Templars? The last few patches was simply out of bias and lack of open thought when fighting other classes or builds.

With dots being forced upon us and Templars being buffed, you only give everyone on your game a 1 way ticket to hope. Rerolling yourself into a templar so you can cleanse off the dot meta and overwhelm people as a HEAL IDENTITY CLASS.

Templars accessibility to CC's, debuffs, and buffs is overwhelming. I know passives are getting readdressed in U24, but lets investigate further into Templars and compare them to mDK.

mDK is the king of pressure, outperformed by templars. And just to compare the two classes a bit better, I'll go further into heals and sustain, and why templars are superior even when it comes to containing the player and pressuring them down.

-Templars have stronger sustain than magDK due to HoTs being strong and rune focus yielding so much resist and free magicka sustain.

-Templars have stronger pressure than magDK due to burning light passive proc, jabs going through block, rolls, it's an aoe ability. Crescents hitting higher than dragonleaps and pulsating ticks as a strong dot. Power of the light acts as a strong burst, and the problem is.. Templars have so much natural damage that can severely overwhelm players up close. Remember guys, this is a healer class, I want healer dps class to exist but not overwhelm people to the point that it's stronger than magDK.

-Templars can contain the fight better than a magDK, toppling charge them into an offbalance, snare, eclipse them into immobilization and force stun. Somebody once said as a Magplar, that fossilize is overpowered because it has 2 cc's with 1 ability. One the morphs of Eclipse yields 3 cc's, snare, immobilization, and stun with 1 ability. And while you're unable to counterplay it as it's constantly reapplied you're forced to play defensive. And remember, templar can overwhelm you if you're on defense. It's the new evolved version of magDK, your best defense is a strong offense against templars. You can't perform offense when you're cc'ing urself off those eclipse spams. <-- NOTE THAT

-Templars have stronger heals than magDK, THIS IS INTENDED. That's the identity of being a templar, you're a blessing of whatever holy lord ESO has, you're a support with a vision that ur heals will impact combat. You can cleanse, hold block, and spam breath of life and honor the dead. If you self apply eclipse while doing this, there's room for 0% punishment as ur getting ur sustain back from honor the dead and rune focus. If that doesn't make the cut, ele drain will do it for you.

People for a long time have said magDK and magsorcs are overpowered because of older updates, it's disappointing that even after shield nerfs and sustain nerfs, people still continue to say we're overpowered.

The last thing this world needs aside from dot meta is our identity to be thrown out the window. MagDK has lost its identity the most, corrosive is replaced by onslaught, dots are accessible to everyone, people are blocking like a magDK on different classes because they know their sustain on that other class such as warden or templar will be beneficial unlike magDK.

I just want to put in all this, I will honestly think since the class rep program fell apart and was replaced with new people, we are losing the games qualities. Brian Wheeler once said in May 2014, "everything is held by duct tape and bubble-gum".

This is the current state of your brand. The class rep program is nonexistent, your destabilized servers caused bad performance issues, the client crashes, the dots taking over the pvp platform ruining all identity and playstyle/diversity, the bugs forcing us to die or have disadvantages, and if everyone survived the nasty sticky mess of all this.... Usually you learn, I will never want to deal with this mess again. And that is the same wording for how I feel about this game.

Just remember, this was all done in less than 1 year. Imagine what the future years will look like for you as more things fall apart and more gum and duct tape keeps getting added. This is a multi-million dollar game and as much as I love ESO. You make it hard to play through layer after layer of band aid fixes. It's not a quality game anymore, it's just simulator of frustration with the incapability of playing the game because 3 issues. Bugs, performance issues, and Client crashes.

/salt

As a former longtime player myself, I was a dk main and played both specs for most of the entirety of the game. I also believe magplar has effectively “eclipsed” dk of it’s own class identity. Both specs of Templar can effectively have more damage dot and burst wise compared to a mag dk, along with better sustain and mitigation. When they clip wings they’ve should of clipped every other class defining ability like cloak, extended ritual, shimmering shield, and sorc pets.

cmvet · August 2019

As a PS4 player, my biggest issue is, what MMO do I move to? So far everything I have played loses my interest in a couple weeks, or the PVP doesn't compare (when lag isn't an issue). Until something else comes out, I'm either stuck with *** lag, load screens, desync, blue screens, or not playing anything. Sadly, the last option seems more and more likely.

GeorgeBlack · August 2019

You forgot to mention how DK Wings that reflected 4 projectiles got removed completelly from the game without suggestions like cast time or fatigue or any discussion at all taking place (not that any nerf was needed for 3 projectiles).

I dont care for your complains. Just keep in mind that players have brought this on themselves while arguing:
PvE v PvP
Overland facerollers and vs Challenge seekers.
Stamina v Magika
Healers v tanks v dps
6 classes vs 6 classes.
Gangers v trolltanks v zergballs calling themselves organized groups while spamming 1 button per role.

Oh and the biggest offenders->
"I play the meta build for each one of my classes. Balance is fine. L2p."
Shut down and derail topics.

That's what happens when no reasonable feedback is used rather NB v Sorc tears flow the forums.

Performance?
Hhahahaghah. Players dont deserve it when they want a game in which they can solo 90% even thouggt it is an mmorpg. They dont deserve it when they dont like mandatory subscription.
When there isnt meaningful challenge in an open world enters the Fluff Store.
Go decorate a house

Xvorg · August 2019

Vapirko wrote: »

Is this a quitting thread or an I think my class is too weak thread. I feel insanely strong on my mag DK this patch. The new Entropy and soul trap is more than enough extra pressure so that I can drop skoria for bloodspawn in heavy meaning I’m insanely tanky as well.

I thought the same when I logged on my mDK. Then I moved to my hybrid sorc and felt tankier and and doing much more dmg. On my Magplar it was insane, soul trap + entropy + eclipse, the very same definition of shut down from range.

In any case I think the class currently is close to balance in PvP, now it is time to put the rest of the classes at the same level and that implies giving sorcs their old shields, bringing reflect on DK wings, and purge on NB cloak.

P.S. By the way, I still don't understand the logic on nerfing wings just to nerf destro reach the following patch

SirLeeMinion · August 2019

Well, at least they hit it out of the park with the changes to guild trader bidding...

idk · August 2019

Leave if you want. You are the expert.

Of course there is the patch coming to day that will hopefully take care of the most glaring issues that have popped up since the last update. Zos has realized that it is a bad idea to wait unit Monday to drop this patch though some players will get upset and demand reimbursement for the down time.

The rest of it seems like the normal balance update so we are going to complain even though we manage to adapt pretty much every time. It almost comes like clockwork.

So yea, you are the expert so you might as well leave.

Emma_Overload · August 2019

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

You forgot to mention how DK Wings that reflected 3 projectiles got removed completelly from the game without suggestions like cast time or fatigue or any discussion at all taking place (not that any nerf was needed for 3 projectiles).

I dont care for your complains. Just keep in mind that players have brought this on themselves while arguing:
PvE v PvP
Overland facerollers and vs Challenge seekers.
Stamina v Magika
Healers v tanks v dps
6 classes vs 6 classes.
Gangers v trolltanks v zergballs calling themselves organized groups while spamming 1 button per role.

Oh and the biggest offenders->
"I play the meta build for each one of my classes. Balance is fine. L2p."
Shut down and derail topics.

That's what happens when no reasonable feedback is used rather NB v Sorc tears flow the forums.

Performance?
Hhahahaghah. Players dont deserve it when they want a game in which they can solo 90% even thouggt it is an mmorpg. They dont deserve it when they dont like mandatory subscription.
When there isnt meaningful challenge in an open world enters the Fluff Store.
Go decorate a house

Don't blame players for B2P. Players were fine paying subscription in 2014. ZOS made the decision to drop the sub all by themselves and then forced it on players. ZOS lied to players, telling us we would have "Unlimited" access to the game whether we subbed or bought DLC. Neither turned out to be true. ZOS screwed DLC purchasers when they made the Crafting Bag sub only, and then they screwed subscribers when they forced them to purchase "Chapters" separately.

GeorgeBlack · August 2019

@Emma_Overload
Players to blame before ESO little sorc

huschdeguddzje · August 2019

Nerf templar, got it

cHIIMEERa · August 2019

Hm.. i find the topic misleading.

Expert · August 2019

More of like fix the game, and if u go around Cyrodil among the people you fight do you find it a little odd there's templars shutting you down instantly? If not, got it how many templars are healing you?If neither of those two, are you a templar?

How do you embrace the current dot meta unable to cleanse dots, fight back against the eclipse, and burst a templar before they hold block and spam honor the dead. haha

It's a tough state, I haven't bothered to log in much lately. I'm not asking if I need to quit, I'm making pointers to show some light as to the current situation. Really, does anyone even want to play through bugs, performance issues, and client crashes?

I'm sure nobody even wants to, and if u really want to... Tell it publicly in here, explain in detail why these issues improve your game-play.

MizoreReyes · August 2019

Well magDK is just underperforming "a little" on defense since our wings were clipped and our DoTs which we heavily rely on to add pressure and heals, can be cured or outhealed. If they want to deal damage and have magicka sustain they need to go light armour. I know for a fact that there is large magDK community just waiting for it's revival in PvP (Not in PvE because these op DoTs brought us back to the spotlight)

They made PvP shift favour towards Templars as they have access to the best support abilities which makes sense since it's their class identity. But Zo$ gave every class like healers access to OP DoTs. They probably buffed these skill lines and will later be nerfed just to make a quick buck with Crown store skill line upgrade.

I don't know what they are visioning the game to be but they're just too slow to make a good change.

InvictusApollo · August 2019

I've already started looking for other PvP games with magic. Ashes of Creation and Spellbreak look awesome. I don't believe server performance will increase. ZOS has already broken their promises in the past. They stated that they would focus during a whole year towards improving PvP and they did nothing except of implementing another mechanic that made people stack.

IronWooshu · August 2019

I dont agree with your balance change complaint. I think Gilliam and the team have been making masterful changes.

Some change is good.

I agree with the bad server complaints and the bugs are annoying but Sorcs are still out there wrecking players even against the bugs.

olsborg · August 2019

I havent logged in, in about 6 days now, and I uninstalled eso to have room for a different game on my ssd. With all the bugs and laggs i deemed it no longer worthy a space on my ssd. The dot meta also contributed strongly in this decision. I might reinstall one day, if things change for the better. Time will tell.

chris211 · August 2019

this patch suck i havent bothered playing since the crashes started last week the game is a laggy buggy mess not worth my time just go play other stuff

jcm2606 · August 2019

cmvet wrote: »

As a PS4 player, my biggest issue is, what MMO do I move to? So far everything I have played loses my interest in a couple weeks, or the PVP doesn't compare (when lag isn't an issue). Until something else comes out, I'm either stuck with *** lag, load screens, desync, blue screens, or not playing anything. Sadly, the last option seems more and more likely.

It's a similar situation on PC, most other MMO's are either in the process of dying, have their own debilitating problems, or are so vastly different to ESO in terms of combat that they don't feel the same. I'm currently trying out GW2, and while the small amount of PvP I've tried so far was quite nice (just did some sPvP, basically GW2's equivalent of Battlegrounds), it didn't feel as good as ESO, because of the inherently slower combat system.

ESO is in a very weird place where it has a ton of potential, since it's really the only genuinely good and fair action-based MMORPG on the market, but the way the devs are neglecting it is killing it. Like, here's a step-by-step of how to give this game the future it deserves.

For starters, slow the *** down on marketing and pumping out new content. Scalebreaker hasn't even released on console yet, and they're already hyping Dragonhold up on Twitter, apparently. The Dragonhold PTS is meant to be starting in like 2-3 weeks, so that's like a month between DLC's. How about you hold off on that, and get the current patch to a reasonable level of functionality? Hammer out bug fixes for a week or two, then you can go on the Dragonhold hypetrain.

Next, take some of the guys in each team off of pumping out new content, and put them on fixing and improving older content. You don't need to have the whole team do it, just a few guys. Have someone in the combat team reassess littler aspects of combat while the rest of the team focuses on the big picture -- here, start with fixing dodge roll, or the streak bug, or the Undo bug. Have some artists go back and touch up base game assets and level design, work on making the reusable assets prettier, rather than focusing on the latest shiny in the latest expansion.

Thirdly, put some serious resources into server maintenance and upkeep, and hire more guys specifically in charge of infrastructure. This is an MMO, MMO's are meant to last a decade at least, yet it really feels as if you guys only planned for 5 or so years. The fact that you're only just now looking into how the general client/server infrastructure performs is really telling of how little regard you put in the longevity of the game -- don't have to worry about performance if the game will only last a few years! (Yes, I know ESO had a rocky start, but the game has been on an upward trajectory for the last 3-4 years, so they should have known that massive infrastructure changes would have been needed, and so they should have planned for them years ago.)

Fourth, once the game is in a pretty good spot technically-speaking (ie the game is stable, performs well more or less), look at expanding the functionality in massive ways. Since starting GW2, I've realised just how little of the MMO flavour content ESO has. Maybe look at implementing dynamic world events, revamping world bosses to work off of a tier system with the highest tiers requiring entire raids to kill, maybe underwater combat, a wider variety of mounts (not necessarily flying mounts, but more types of mounts that are unlocked via actual in-game progression), etc.

Do all of the above, ESO would really be a truly serious contender for best MMO on the market today, if not best MMO in a while for a lot of players.

WuffyCerulei · August 2019

If you do depart, I would like precure any objects you may find no longer of use you that are in your inventory.

RinaldoGandolphi · August 2019

Expert wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

When have I seen this thread before? Oh yea, the last time a balance change was made.

So the introduction and closing statement was about server performance, client crashes, and bugs. Glad you can relate this to balance changes, your insight has really contributed a lot.

Easy now. Just because @Nestor doesn’t agree with you doesn’t give you the right to be disrespectful.

You know it very possible to disagree and still be respectful others. Its a trait I grew up with and one that needed very desperately today.

The minute you try and dismiss someone else’s thoughts, belittle them, or just being outright mean spirited towards their ideas you have disrespected them.

Every person has the right to be treated with dignity and respect even if they don’t agree with your ideas.

A big reason ZOS doesn’t listen is because people are disrespectful towards them. Even if your upset with the product it doesn’t give you the right to disrespect them. No one is forcing you to play, spend your money, or stay. If your not happy the door is over there your free to leave. You have options.

If folks can’t be respectful in their dialogue they need to keep it to themselves. At the end of the day this is a video game. Try not to lose sight of that. Is it really worth trading barbs and being mean to someone who disagrees with over a video game???? Really???? Who does that????!

😔

f047ys3v3n · August 2019

I don't know about all that Templar OP stuff.

I do know:
- The servers haven't worked worth a crap since summerset and they are even worse now. My ping was 100 for years and now is 180 on a good day and probably averages 230 in PVE. Almost nothing will register for me as a vaunted, genuine, "light attack" in this situation.
- I don't like the new magic bukku single target dot rotation with no utility at all on your bar and every class has to do basically the same thing meta at all. If I wanted to play like that I would play stam and do a ton more damage, have better sustain, and better intrinsic resistances.
- Probably nobody likes the DOT stacking in PVP which is why most single target sticky DOT's that were originally strong in the game (see crippling grasp) got long ago nerfed.
- Most of the raid content was designed with ground DOT mechanics in mind and doesn't play well with the single target meta.
- Many of your new DOT's are slow cast targeted abilities that but out and do not cast if any living or dead NPC eclipses your target during the cast. Sometimes in trash packs you get <30% of casts actually going off. Fun stuff, great design.
- It feels, yet again, like I am playing a beta at best.
- My PVE sorc build got totally kicked in the balls (rip 3 of the 4 top dps skills on my build) and I have little desire to spend the time and practice putting together something totally different while the devs are clearly stumbling around breaking things in the dark.

annndddd.....
-I unsubbed.

I plan on popping in from time to time to catch up with friends but things will need to improve if ZOS expects actual money from me. I ain't paying for drunken balancing that sucks in both PVP and PVE and for servers that don't work.

labambao · August 2019

I didn't read after I see you mentioned jabs as unblocable.

Wolfpaw · August 2019

cmvet wrote: »

As a PS4 player, my biggest issue is, what MMO do I move to? So far everything I have played loses my interest in a couple weeks, or the PVP doesn't compare (when lag isn't an issue). Until something else comes out, I'm either stuck with *** lag, load screens, desync, blue screens, or not playing anything. Sadly, the last option seems more and more likely.

Killing time til the new LOTRO.