Darkenarlol wrote: »

another beggar thread

don't waste your and our time

go sub allready

I am a subscriber. If you had bothered to read the thread, you would have seen my post proving my eso + subscription.

1. the assertion that the proposed craft bag of 20 items each for non eso + subscribers somehow devalues the eso + subscribers is false, misleading and based on conjecture.

the bank space that non eso + subscribers in no way devalues the double bank space that eso + subscribers receive. Also the housing space that non eso+ subscribers receive in no way devalues the double housing space that eso+ subscribers receive. Finally the transmute crystal space that non eso+ subscribers receive in no way devalues the double currency space for transmute crystals that eso+ subscribers receive. If anything the adding of a small craft bag space of a single stack of 20 count for each craft of item would like increase the value of the eso+ subscription and improve the quality of the game for non eso+ subscribers. And really, not allowing some small craft bag for people who cant subscribe to eso+ is just plain stingy.

If anyone is going to make an assertion that a small craftbag space would devalue the eso+ subscribers then a. he would have to argue that the housing space, bank space and transmute crystal space also do the same and b. he would have to back up that argument with actual facts.


2. Who is anyone to judge that someone is or isnt a serious player based on their eso+ subscription. Those doubts are not facts but the exact opposite of a fact. Also why does it need to change the game only for people considered serious. How is that a criteria anyone must meet?

3. If someone believes there are plenty of other storage options then why isn't arent they not subbing to eso+ and playing with only those other storage options themselves? they could easily save themselves 15$ us a month. In fact i challenge them to buy a new account, delete their old account, and play without subbing to eso+ using all those other storage options only..



Just look at all the things an eso+ sub gets a person. The popular assertion that the craftbag is the only thing of value in an eso+ sub is so far from the truth it isnt even funny.


https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/esoplus





Every other storage option for eso+ subscribers has a smaller amount available for non eso+ subscribers except for the craftbag. That's what's unfair as well as stingy.

A small craftbag space would be valuabe to non eso+ subscribers, in no way devalues the eso+ subscription, and is more consistent with the other storage options in eso that allow some space for non eso+ subscribers and a much larger space for eso + subscribers.

All arguments to the contrary seem to operate from a zero-sum game. There is no evidence to support a zero-sum game, such as nearly all arguments presented suggest.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-sum_game

In game theory and economic theory, a zero-sum game is a mathematical representation of a situation in which each participant's gain or loss of utility is exactly balanced by the losses or gains of the utility of the other participants. If the total gains of the participants are added up and the total losses are subtracted, they will sum to zero. Thus, cutting a cake, where taking a larger piece reduces the amount of cake available for others, is a zero-sum game if all participants value each unit of cake equally (see marginal utility).

In contrast, non-zero-sum describes a situation in which the interacting parties' aggregate gains and losses can be less than or more than zero. A zero-sum game is also called a strictly competitive game while non-zero-sum games can be either competitive or non-competitive. Zero-sum games are most often solved with the minimax theorem which is closely related to linear programming duality,[1] or with Nash equilibrium.


And Finally, i am in fact an eso+ subscriber and have no intention of quitting my sub. I like selling those crowns in game for in game gold, i also appreciate having access to all the dlc, as well as the other bonuses to gold, exp, dying costumes, etc.




Addendum: I have 1700 crowns for sale also if you have a need.

Look. Tbh from zos's side it will be a very risky QoL improvement. Because it could potentially lower their renevue. on another side, it might ADD subs.
I mean, to be honest, if they do it, i might consider resubbing, because i will feel they actually care about us, the players. I will resub either way probably during dragonhold release, if the improvements they have promised preformance wise happen and guild history and add ons will get their proper support.

Now look:

Most subbers that sub mostly for craft bag, will not stop subbing from a small amount of 20 spots. It is laughably small. But enough to store few style materials here and there, which has it's variety go up at an alarming speed.

Subbers that sub mainly for supporting the game(i was in that group) will stop subbing when the game doesn't work for them. And sub again when it does.

Subbers that sub mainly for dlc (lol) i dont believe in their existence.

Subbers that sub mainly for crowns in addition to the goodies (the, "value" subbers) will continue subbing.

Subbers that sub mainly for housing , will continue subbing.

Fact stays, amount of mats and sets available every patch goes up steadily, but the inventory space in game for both subbers and non subbers stay the same. i dont know if the 20 free bagspace for each mat is the answer, but i do think it is a great step forward. Problem is, as i said, it might make the game lose renevue. A thing i do not want (even though i am not subbing currently, irrelevant though).

Inventory space needs a solution. Few solutions. Both for subbers, and non subbers. But first of all. EU needs a working server that can support such a solution.

My two cents.

Pay you subscription so ZoS keep servers up (down?) and i can play for free.

Just pay ..

idk wrote: »

Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »

1. the assertion that the proposed craft bag of 20 items each for non eso + subscribers somehow devalues the eso + subscribers is false, misleading and based on conjecture.

You comment here is what is pure conjecture and goes against logic.

I supported my assertion with the argument that follows that you saw fit not to quote.

idk wrote: »

Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Hazurko_RaShan wrote: »

1. the assertion that the proposed craft bag of 20 items each for non eso + subscribers somehow devalues the eso + subscribers is false, misleading and based on conjecture.

You comment here is what is pure conjecture and goes against logic.

I supported my assertion with the argument that follows that you saw fit not to quote.

You merely spun an opinion you claim supports you claim supports this false assertion you have made but that is all you provided. The comment I quoted remained in context and my pointing out how false it is remains very accurate.

Beyond that it is irrelevant. Zos made a business decision that the crafting bag will remain locked behind ESO+ and it is clearly a solid business choice. Threads like these merely drive home the point to Zos that they made the right choice.

uh... NO.