Plague Doctor nerf/buff

rage607 · October 2017

I did not know how to call this threat.
I use the plague doctor set, so I used that as the title, but I wanted to ask about nerfs and buffs in general.

So the plague doctor set got nerfed from 6000 to 4000 health. Did it ever occur that such a nerf (or a buff) was made undone (or at least got near the old stats)?

Berenhir · October 2017

No.

Nestor · October 2017

I am running Plague Doctor on my Tank, and quite frankly the overall performance of the character is the same pre or post Nerf. I lost a small amount of shield with the change, but swapping out my Mundus for one that gives more health rather than more resource regen took care of that difference. And, I never missed the regen.

In other words, a lot of Nerfs are just not that much of a change. Make a minor change to your character build/gear if you feel your missing it, or ignore the difference and play on.

VaranisArano · October 2017

I ran Plague Doctor before the nerf. Afterward, I switched to Ebon Armory because with the two sets being more or less equivalent now there was no reason not to give my group the extra buff from Ebom Armory. I didn't really feel a big difference since I don't use igneous shields much.

Eddyble · October 2017

I run Plague and Ebon together. The difference hasn't really affected me. My goal for the build was to help keep my allies alive via shields and such. I still have more than enough health of my own and with a few different glyphs am still able to do what I was before. If anything, the changes to the monster sets affected me more, but I just had to find different sets or combos to get the most for the content being attempted.

rotaugen454 · October 2017

My tank runs Plague and Ebon as well. I still have 44k health with food, and it hasn't really affected my game.

Indoril_Nerevar · August 2019

This is a beautiful point that I'm making today.

Nerfing Plague Doctor is so silly. Again?

By now I assume you know Warrior-Poet is better with Plague Doctor. 1K Hp bonus isn't really much to give to others. So, screw a Mundus stone to bump up your health but you could still do that to gain mini-boss tanking game.

Than, rock a Nord or an Imperial. Level up Mages Guild enough to unlock Structured Entropy and slot that to your bars. Use a Max HP only food buff or Tri-Food.

Or put that gear on a Nightblade. Or The New Necromancer.

Pop an Alyeid well on top of that. Level all your Heavy Armor, Racial and Undaunted passives.

Place Max Hp Enchantments with infused (For Max Hp Mundus Stone) traits on all or most of your gear.

Imperial Necromancer will give you the highest with the Goliath Ult.
Imperial Nightblade provides the second most amount of HP.
Imperial Necromancer is 3rd.
Nord Necro is fourth.

In my opinion, to do this on a Nord Templar has proven best.

Green Pact gear set is also a notable mention.

Indoril_Nerevar · August 2019

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Chilly-McFreeze · August 2019

Indoril_Nerevar wrote: »

Level up Mages Guild enough to unlock Structured Entropy and slot that to your bars. Use a Max HP only food buff or Tri-Food.

Can we count on another rage thread when you find out that they removed the 8% HP on structured entropy?

Drako_Ei · August 2019

It was a trash set anyway, only used by vMA 1 bar petsorcs and meat shield tanks, so maybe its time to stop being selfish and put on some armor that will help your group like alkosh or yol

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · August 2019

It was nerfed because it exceeded the stat pool budget for sets. If you compare alfiq or hulking for example the scaling of the health was too high compared to just attribute points.

MartiniDaniels · August 2019

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

It was nerfed because it exceeded the stat pool budget for sets. If you compare alfiq or hulking for example the scaling of the health was too high compared to just attribute points.

Shackle breaker, Fortified Brass and Amber plasm are quietly sitting in the corner, trying not to be noticed when talk is about stat density. I don't think PD was overperforming in any way, it was already a niche set. And why they nerfed Ebon?
I may understand balance changes in Elsweyr, though they gutted two my favorite specs - magblade and stamDK. But I can't understand U23... give onslaught and provide hard counter for it via templar, give dots and remove soft counter for them by severely nerfing purge... overbuff vigor, nerf vigor to ground, buff vigor even more ><

Uryel · August 2019

Drako_Ei wrote: »

It was a trash set anyway, only used by vMA 1 bar petsorcs and meat shield tanks, so maybe its time to stop being selfish and put on some armor that will help your group like alkosh or yol

Being a tank is already helping the group by itself.

Starlock · August 2019

Given health is arguably the least useful of the three main stats - that is, after all, why health enchantments and 1-set bonus values are higher as standard, right (?) - I'm not sure I understand why this set's 5-piece bonus was reduced twice either.

DocFrost72 · August 2019

Drako_Ei wrote: »

It was a trash set anyway, only used by vMA 1 bar petsorcs and meat shield tanks, so maybe its time to stop being selfish and put on some armor that will help your group like alkosh or yol

"You better wear a medium armor dps set to help my damage, or you're selfish."

I'll meet you in the middle and run torug's.

SirLeeMinion · August 2019

Should have let this thread rest in peace a little bit longer... I mean, if you are going to necro, at least wait for 2 years before dredging it up.

Nemesis7884 · August 2019

Indoril_Nerevar wrote: »

This is a beautiful point that I'm making today.

Nerfing Plague Doctor is so silly. Again?

By now I assume you know Warrior-Poet is better with Plague Doctor. 1K Hp bonus isn't really much to give to others. So, screw a Mundus stone to bump up your health but you could still do that to gain mini-boss tanking game.

Than, rock a Nord or an Imperial. Level up Mages Guild enough to unlock Structured Entropy and slot that to your bars. Use a Max HP only food buff or Tri-Food.

Or put that gear on a Nightblade. Or The New Necromancer.

Pop an Alyeid well on top of that. Level all your Heavy Armor, Racial and Undaunted passives.

Place Max Hp Enchantments with infused (For Max Hp Mundus Stone) traits on all or most of your gear.

Imperial Necromancer will give you the highest with the Goliath Ult.
Imperial Nightblade provides the second most amount of HP.
Imperial Necromancer is 3rd.
Nord Necro is fourth.

In my opinion, to do this on a Nord Templar has proven best.

Green Pact gear set is also a notable mention.

struc entropy doesnt give max hp anymore

SoLooney · August 2019

Plague doctor was nerfed because set bonuses that include max mag stam and health have been increased to 1096 when it is fully golded out a long time ago

6000 health is a bit ridiculous and good tanks dont need to run plague doctor and can run support sets instead

The only real use for plague doctor is to have an easy time with vma

ATomiX69 · August 2019

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Drako_Ei wrote: »

It was a trash set anyway, only used by vMA 1 bar petsorcs and meat shield tanks, so maybe its time to stop being selfish and put on some armor that will help your group like alkosh or yol

"You better wear a medium armor dps set to help my damage, or you're selfish."

I'll meet you in the middle and run torug's.

weapons + jewelry, then you dont need to run a single piece of medium if you dont want to.

Jeremy · August 2019

rage607 wrote: »

I did not know how to call this threat.
I use the plague doctor set, so I used that as the title, but I wanted to ask about nerfs and buffs in general.

So the plague doctor set got nerfed from 6000 to 4000 health. Did it ever occur that such a nerf (or a buff) was made undone (or at least got near the old stats)?

I didn't like the nerf either. But it is what it is.

What they need to do is add a new armor set that gives more health but with a special requirement, since that was their reasoning for the nerf to begin with.

Kadoin · August 2019

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

It was nerfed because it exceeded the stat pool budget for sets. If you compare alfiq or hulking for example the scaling of the health was too high compared to just attribute points.

Shackle breaker, Fortified Brass and Amber plasm are quietly sitting in the corner, trying not to be noticed when talk is about stat density. I don't think PD was overperforming in any way, it was already a niche set. And why they nerfed Ebon?
I may understand balance changes in Elsweyr, though they gutted two my favorite specs - magblade and stamDK. But I can't understand U23... give onslaught and provide hard counter for it via templar, give dots and remove soft counter for them by severely nerfing purge... overbuff vigor, nerf vigor to ground, buff vigor even more ><

Perhaps the goal was to nerf HP% heals by targeting sets that give lots of hp. Honestly the set should have been nerfed when Green Pact or Trainee were.

Tommy_The_Gun · August 2019

I guess people will simply switch to Green Pact...

https://eso-sets.com/set/plague-doctor
Plague Doctor:
(2 items) Adds 1206 Maximum Health
(3 items) Adds 1206 Maximum Health
(4 items) Adds 4% Healing Taken
(5 items) Adds 3000 Maximum Health

https://eso-sets.com/set/green-pact
Green Pact:
(2 items) Adds 1206 Maximum Health
(3 items) Adds 129 Health Recovery
(4 items) Adds 1206 Maximum Health
(5 items) While you have a food buff active, your Maximum Health is increased by 2500 and Health Recovery by 250.

The question is:
Is 4% Healing Taken better than 129 + 250 = 379 Health Recovery ?

Loves_guars · August 2019

I dropped Ebon after nerf. I just don't think that less than 1000 health for 4 (I don't do trials) is worth it. I use Torug/Plague now. I think it's still worth it along with Green Pact. But not Ebon.

Chilly-McFreeze · August 2019

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

I guess people will simply switch to Green Pact...

https://eso-sets.com/set/plague-doctor
Plague Doctor:
(2 items) Adds 1206 Maximum Health
(3 items) Adds 1206 Maximum Health
(4 items) Adds 4% Healing Taken
(5 items) Adds 3000 Maximum Health

https://eso-sets.com/set/green-pact
Green Pact:
(2 items) Adds 1206 Maximum Health
(3 items) Adds 129 Health Recovery
(4 items) Adds 1206 Maximum Health
(5 items) While you have a food buff active, your Maximum Health is increased by 2500 and Health Recovery by 250.

The question is:
Is 4% Healing Taken better than 129 + 250 = 379 Health Recovery ?

Is this about PvP? Do you want to stack into health regen too? E.g. via troll king?
I have never tried green pact, but I guess it works with Artaeum gold food.

Depends on what you want to archieve with it.

D0PAMINE · August 2019

Drako_Ei wrote: »

It was a trash set anyway, only used by vMA 1 bar petsorcs and meat shield tanks, so maybe its time to stop being selfish and put on some armor that will help your group like alkosh or yol

It's not uncommon for players to use selfish sets while still learning how to tank or going into a new dungeon where mechanics are still new.

Sergykid · August 2019

big hp block holders tanks are the most useless and boring

gallach · August 2019

Wait, does the Igneous Shield scales off with the caster max health?

My Igneous Shield isn't enough to carry paper cannon without cannon DPS pugs. I will give a try to 40k HP build, maybe it can help on some last boss fights like Direfrost Keep, when we can not taunt the boss. Trusting on pugs to activate the Bone Shield synergy isn't a good idea.

Schared · August 2019

Did you know about 11% of all people are left handed.

phileunderx2 · August 2019

There is nothing more selfish to a group than a tank that is dead all the time.

msalvia · August 2019

Plague Doctor is a beginner tank set, and can be useful for some niche situation (I'll often pop it on for the end boss of vDSA, since alkosh and ebon are utterly pointless in that fight). Having a slight reduction in hp is such a non-issue. So all these 50k hp tanks now only have 48k...maybe this will prompt some tanks to actually apply some group utility.

Spoiler: if you need more than 40k health for MOST content (there are a few exceptions where you need to just not die) you're doing it wrong.

msalvia · August 2019

And for real, for PvE tanking, if you're at mid-to-high level, you should not be using selfish sets like PD, green pact, beekeeper, etc. Tanking is a support role, so your sets should REALLY be designed to help your team do more damage, survive, etc.