You guys NEED to do a Server Reset!!!!

msalvia · August 2019

rumple9 wrote: »

Just ban the accounts of the guild masters that got the free gold

Are you saying that ZoS should ban accounts because of their own programming mistake? Like, shouldn't someone do something wrong before they get banned?

Assuming these GMs didn't do shady stuff with the gold. That becomes a different story. But simply "receiving" the gold is not the guild's fault; they didn't willfully or even knowingly accept the gold, so no culpability. "Spending" the gold would be the issue, perhaps.

sentientomega · August 2019

I spent most of yesterday taking advantage of the lack of a respec cost to change my characters' builds once I'd established the nature of said builds, as I'm sure other people were, thanks to the combat changes.

I really hope that any action ZOS takes doesn't undo this effort...

Karivaa · August 2019

They won’t do anything about it. They never do.

rumple9 · August 2019

I wonder if they are still going to give away the free 100k gold to everyone for the log in rewards ? Lol

DarcyMardin · August 2019

Revert any refunds that were overpaid. Surely ZOS has a record of these transactions. Then the only people who get screwed are the ones who tried to “reinvest”, I.e., launder, their ill-gotten gains.

Rolling back the entire server is never gonna happen and wouldn’t be fair to most ESO EU players if it did.

Mr_Walker · August 2019

barney2525 wrote: »

They love the economics. They love the challenge.

As someone who does this IRL, can I just say, the economics are simplistic, and the challenge minimal. Just saying.

Isojukka · August 2019

rumple9 wrote: »

I wonder if they are still going to give away the free 100k gold to everyone for the log in rewards ? Lol

They will raise it to 1million and also raise every gold drop. Then we have new economy. All players have at least 100 million gold and rarest items prices go up to 55billion.

Hope not.

tahol10069 · August 2019

If the gold doesn't get removed, what do you people think will happen comes next bidding? JFC we will see some rise in bidding prices! I can't even imagine what kind of circus next Sunday will be in PCEU.

I'm really tired of this trading crap. For two weeks our guild lost it's trader. Now when we finally got it back, this happens. We still don't have a trader. This is now third week in row. We did win the bid, but someone else has the trader. I don't sell much because I have no interest to join in this minigame of trading in this game (I've been very much in trading in other games), but I hate to sell to NPC trader good stuff that other people might need. So I keep my 30 slots filled in one guild. Though I more and more think, what's the point? I have donated to the guild for three weeks in a row without selling a thing. Now I thought things would go back to normal, but noooooooo! And this company is too much of a coward to roll back the server. Prices will jump to sky, and just WAIT when it comes next Sunday. Those guilds who don't have f@ck you money from this exploit are doomed to be without a trader for a long time.

I hate this company so much right now. Why do I even pay to you, you imcompetent amateurs?

Facefister · August 2019

Triple, or even quadruple the amount of resources you can get from nodes/flowers/mushrooms.
Increase the chance of getting an gold upgrade item from refining raw materials.

Here, fixed the economy.

Rake · August 2019

If money was used to destroy the economy zos should ban these accounts and thats it.
People were banned for far far less severe things anyways. These are serious matters, and entire server is affected.
So, zos must send a strong statement on exploiting by banning these players or the integrity of game is compromised.

idk · August 2019

Cani wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Is OP actually suggesting Zos delete all our characters and gear and we start over like this is a new game?

If so you can count me out. Hopefully Zos figures out a reasonable manner to deal with this.

Not at all, I want them to restore the game to a point it was before the Trader flip happened..

Sorry English isn't my first language.

That is generally referred to as a rollback. I doubt Zos would roll back to before this issue cropped up. They have rarely chosen to roll back the game.

Cously · August 2019

They should have watched how the multi bidding would result. I get it nobody wants to work Sunday night, but I'd consider ensuring this process go smooth a must to avoid my customers getting upset. If something went wrong I'd be able to take the servers down asap. I'd definately be willing to pay an extra day to a employee in order to avoid the *** show.

Ryath_Waylander · August 2019

Sigh... ZOS screwed up big time, however more than 24hrs have passed since then. It's too late to rollback now. Those who are whingeing about the corrupt GM's and inflated prices, please don't buy the mats.. duh. Trust me I've traded, for the flippers, if their product doesn't move in 3 days, they will adjust prices to sell. For those claiming the newbies are screwed without mats for their upgrades, I think not? I played for months before I even tried getting matched sets, never mind learning about upgrades. There is only a minority of newer players that chase meta because although cp 50 is quick to grind, Cp250 to CP300 where you only start to need purple and gold mats, takes a while. Since the trader flip/gold stuff up, I and others collected event tickets, I've killed all my outstanding WB's and got the associated achievements, because dungeons/trials and Cyro were crashing. My fellow guildie got a double vMA inferno staff drop (holy s@#t I kid you not). The game moves on. I am damn unhappy about ZOS's fail and the ongoing crummy lag since Sunday night but I and others, will be a lot more cheesed off with a late rollback now.

Kalante · August 2019

As someone who hasn't subbed for eso plus in 6 months and deleted the game four hours ago this gives me great cynical joy.

Cruxanero · August 2019

In SWTOR there was once a bug where you could basically buy an item from an NPC for 1 gold, but sell it back for 100 gold. Of course it took long to generate cash that way, but still people were exploiting it like crazy (was quite funny to see the crowd around the NPC). In contrast to ESO the Devs DID care though. There was a threshold (I think it was about 10 transactions) for which they assumed it was done by accident and those accounts went unpunished. All other accounts, regardless if they gained 100k or 10 million gold, lost ALL the gold on their account, even the gold they have had previously, as well as any item they bought in the timeframe from the first transaction they made until the fix was implemented.
I had a guildmate that only gained 300k, and who freely admitted to have done it because he thought: "Well, with people gaining millions of gold, they surely won't punish ME when I only gained such a low amount". Well, he lost 120 million gold to that and therefore struggled a lot during the next weeks, but still didn't complain about the action itself, because he knew completely well that he had deliberately used the exploit and it was justified to punish him (even though quite harsh).

So, ZOS could do something similar here. Only punish the GMs and officers that took more gold out of the guild bank than they should have had if the refund had worked right and clearly and deliberately attempted to launder it by mass buying items. Do it by removing all the gold on their accounts and the guildbank and every item transacted during the last day. Don't remove the gold they gave the seller though, it was not their fault that money was laundered by buying their item, just remove the item itself from the game.
Of course you can tweak these actions a bit, to either overshoot or undershoot a bit more. For instance by targeting the guild bank there will be innocent members affected, but I think this action would be equivalent to the loss they would be suffering if a rogue GM or officer raided the guild bank, which seems reasonable compared to the benefit it would have on the economy.

tahol10069 · August 2019

@Cruxanero That wasn't even the only exploit. There was one where you could duplicate items too, and boy did people duplicate companion gifts! It went too long without developers reacting and caused inflation. But, generally SWTOR team has been merciless when they remove money from the game. Unfortunatelly they still never could remove all the exploit money, because people managed to launder it. But at least they tried.

It is funny to see people saying "oh noes, ZOS can't remove the money, it is too difficult". According to this player base, everything is too difficult to ZOS yet other games manage to do those tasks without problems. Honestly, I wish everyone who has ever complained about how inept SWTOR developers are, to come and play ESO and see a company that is not only inept, it is totally, 100% ignorant. And you people let them be because you believe everything is so "hard" and "complicated". You really don't expect much from them.

And if a situaton similar like this would have happened in The Secret World, they would've rolled the server back.That was their solution to exploits.

But oh noes, everything is too hard for ZOS.

People, honestly, go and play other games too and learn.

pdblake · August 2019

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

Actually you assume that the guild GM who has access to the money of the guild bank, could plunder it, and go buy mats?
You serious? Because YOU could do that, not all other Guild Leaders are such unscrupulous scumbags.

Actually I'm not assuming anything at all, but others are suggesting that "some" people have done this.

Perhaps it would be simpler to take back the excess refunds and anyone who no longer has the money has clearly exploited the situation and so appropriate action needs to be taken against them. If it's possible to tell from logs who spent what and where, then surely that can also be undone by just deleting whatever they bought so it can't be pushed back into circulation. If a huge sum of money has been spent then it's likely to have been spread around anyway. After that, anyone who didn't get their refund needs refunding, then start over with new bids for next week.

It's not complete rollback of data, but it might be enough?

Saying all that, I've not noticed much of an affect personally. I sell a little through two guilds, one of which got a trader this week, but not enough that it's all I do. At the end of the day, it's a game. Go outside and get some fresh air, take some deep breaths.

ZonasArch · August 2019

therift wrote: »

"Of course people like you and many others, even in this very discussion, do not have a clue how economy & finance works, neither how this game works.

You all see yourselves on the mirror, believing every Trade Guild Leader is a unscrupulous scumbag."
Edited by p_tsakirisb16_ESO on August 19, 2019 5:22PM

You should exercise caution when making such statements. You have no idea who I am, what I do for my occupation, nor my education. However, rather than making claims I have no intention of revealing my identity to support, I refer you back to the link I provided. It will enable you to understand how the mere presence of excess currency can cause inflationary behavior in an economy.

Your reference to the government bailouts does not apply. Those were money transfers, loans, and guarantees. The governments did not print vast quantities of currency to fund the bail outs. That, sir, is the reason why hyperinflation did not occur.

You are reading far more into my post than I have written. A simple question was asked: How does an influx of gold result in a sudden increases of player-set prices? I directed the questioner to the section on hyperinflation induced by increased money supply, which provides an in-depth answer. Of course this is merely for the questioner's curiosity, since there are only loose associations between the artificial economy of a video game versus a real-world economy.

In response to your assertion that I view 'every Trade Guild Leader as an unscrupulous scumbag'... you could not be further from the truth. I happen to be a 'Trade Guild Leader' involved in three guilds with 1,500 active players and waiting lists.

I know nothing about you, so I will refrain from the character assassination in which you choose to engage.

Hehe nice.

NotaDaedraWorshipper · August 2019

DarcyMardin wrote: »

Revert any refunds that were overpaid. Surely ZOS has a record of these transactions. Then the only people who get screwed are the ones who tried to “reinvest”, I.e., launder, their ill-gotten gains.

Rolling back the entire server is never gonna happen and wouldn’t be fair to most ESO EU players if it did.

Mr_Walker wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

They love the economics. They love the challenge.

As someone who does this IRL, can I just say, the economics are simplistic, and the challenge minimal. Just saying.

Agree on both of these. The ones who exploited it should get consequences, but the whole ordeal is not as horrible as some people make it sound.