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Official statement about multi-bid situation on EU-server ????
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Arrodisia✭✭✭✭✭GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »The lowlifes who exploited the bid return money should be banned for a month at least. And the ZOS employee who despite dozens of threads from the community regarding the flaws of the new bid system still decided to let it go live should be fired. Sorry, but I'm running of patience dealing with the greed, negligence and bugs ruining my favourite game.
Half agree, definitely some firing should take place.
As for the exploiter getting banned, nah, this is zos's f up. Its not like they went out of their way to break the system. They just received the gold passively.
I completely agree with that. Who knows. Maybe they thought the gold was compensation for the hassle, and sales loss for losing their vendors.
Anyway, imho the issue began with us not being able to test it on the PTS properly. We voiced our concerns before the patch went live multiple times. We're all mere humans. Stuff happens. They'll patch it up, and it'll probably be business as usual in couple days, just like before it happened.
Best RegardsEdited by Arrodisia on August 19, 2019 1:05PM2 -
SweepsAllClowns✭✭✭✭barney2525 wrote: »Instead of holding the gold in the bank, and reporting the bug, they went and Intentionally EXPLOITED it.
I think the free necromancer case was a clear message from Zenimax, exploit whenever there's some opportunity and you will get rewarded, there will be many similar cases in the future. Some months ago my opinion would have been that they should have held the gold and report, now I think they should skillfully exploit as much gold as possible. Players' moral changes and now many become just like Zenimax, take whatever you can and simply don't care whatever happens, just works!9 -
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✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »ZOS managed to make a thriving game out of a game that was truly dying 6 months after launch, in spite of their blatant organisation and structure issues. They'll solve the performance issues at some point. Even if being optimistic makes me look dumb.
I didn't see the game dying 6 months after launch. I've had no access to the numbers. ZOS launched the store less than a year after launch. Between the decision to implement it and the time required to write the code and make the necessary changes to the game, that decision must have been made prior to launch or soon thereafter. Unless ZOS disclose official documents proving otherwise, I'm calling BS on this theory that the store saved a dying game.
Store ? What store ? The crown store ? I wasn't even thinking of the crown store, let alone referring to it.
I was referring to the whole initial game design with linear progression, layers, phases and hurdles everywhere to keep the story and progression consistent. Forgetting that ESO is an MMO where people are supposed to play together. The entire first year, you COULD NOT play with anyone who wasn't 1/ in your faction 2/ exactly at the same stage of any given quest as yourself. That was a central design mistake and the game was literally dying because of it by the end of 2014.
Then Rich Lambert took over and redesigned everything from the ground up, eliminating all those hurdles one by one, finally leading to the One Tamriel Update, which, in terms of game design, is 180° opposite to the original design. And the game has been recovering, then flourishing, ever since. I don't have numbers either, but this is something you can reliably feel ingame (number of new players in your guilds, number of guilds being created and advertised, crowds in ingame hubs, etc. ).
My point was : you can bash companies as much as you want, whether you are inside or outside, but if a company has been successful for a decent amount of time (which is the case of ZOS with ESO), then that company MUST have done at least some essential things correctly.
This guild trader thing is undoubtedly a spectacular disaster, but it doesn't mean that everyone and everything at ZOS is sh*t.
I did think you were referring to the clown store, as many people credit it as saving the game. I agree that good steps were taken to make the game more group-friendly. Not all were in the right direction though. In any case, I still don't see how that saved the game. There are no official numbers. I didn't feel the game was dying 6 months in. On the contrary, a little before 1 year after launch I joined my first PvP and trials guilds and there was plenty of action. Also, at that time and after that ZOS have catered far more to the lone wolf who doesn't want to group up and/or learn to play their role, with every dungeon having a normal version, mandatory grouping (e.g. certain Craglorn quests) eliminated, overworld difficulty nerfs, etc.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭barney2525 wrote: »But what Really strikes me is the actions of the Guild Leaders who suddenly had Way too much gold returned ....
AND THEY KNEW IT
Instead of holding the gold in the bank, and reporting the bug, they went and Intentionally EXPLOITED it.
Well, objectively speaking, we do not know exactly who did what and who did nothing. If I had access to all that money, I'd be cautious with it. After all, tracking back all the amounts bid and refunded on this trader flip is a pretty easy thing to do...
By the way, does anyone know what happens in ESO when a guild master is banned ? Is the guild disbanded, or the crown passed on, and anything else ?1 -
StabbityDoom✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭My suspicion is they wait until they have it all put together and it's been reviewed on high before they post responses, which causes a tremendous delay. They'd be MUCH better off at least saying "Hey guys, we're putting together the official statement, thank you for your patience" before letting it explode into a group of rabid angry players.9 -
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Not happening as long as these players are possibly big money spenders and/or fuel crown-for-gold trade that drive up crown sales. In a subscription-only model, no player is more important financially to the publisher than the next one. Banning a cheater/exploiter simply means losing one sub. With the clown store, you could be banning a whale with more money than sense and hurting your bottom line more significantly.
You have it backwards. Precisely because it's a subscription model, they shouldn't hesitate to punish 20-30 people that exploited the bug. The hyperinflation will harm the majority of the playerbase and the entirety of the new playerbase, who also pay you the same subscription the GMs do. If this was a f2p/p2w game where top players shell out 2k euros a month to the cash shop, it would be a different story. In a p2p game, the gaming experience of the majority should always be the priority.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭StabbityDoom wrote: »They'd be MUCH better off at least saying "Hey guys, we're putting together the official statement, thank you for your patience" before letting it explode into a group of rabid angry players.
Such a statement would ALSO lead to an outrage of rabid angry players, you know :-) Any statement will lead to that. Only way to restrict it a bit is to be as concrete and pragmatic as possible (with explanations, plans, solutions and schedules). And you're right, they need the top management for that.0 -
Delpi✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »StabbityDoom wrote: »They'd be MUCH better off at least saying "Hey guys, we're putting together the official statement, thank you for your patience" before letting it explode into a group of rabid angry players.
Such a statement would ALSO lead to an outrage of rabid angry players, you know :-) Any statement will lead to that. Only way to restrict it a bit is to be as concrete and pragmatic as possible (with explanations, plans, solutions and schedules). And you're right, they need the top management for that.
What if.... they remain silent and we lose all of our playtime of today because the solution is a rollback they don't announce in advance?
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✭✭✭✭✭Varkal2112 wrote: »
Not happening as long as these players are possibly big money spenders and/or fuel crown-for-gold trade that drive up crown sales. In a subscription-only model, no player is more important financially to the publisher than the next one. Banning a cheater/exploiter simply means losing one sub. With the clown store, you could be banning a whale with more money than sense and hurting your bottom line more significantly.
You have it backwards. Precisely because it's a subscription model, they shouldn't hesitate to punish 20-30 people that exploited the bug. The hyperinflation will harm the majority of the playerbase and the entirety of the new playerbase, who also pay you the same subscription the GMs do. If this was a f2p/p2w game where top players shell out 2k euros a month to the cash shop, it would be a different story. In a p2p game, the gaming experience of the majority should always be the priority.
Read my post. I wasn't talking about what should be, but about what we actually have. And what we have isn't a mandatory subscription model. It's optional subscription plus potential bottomless pit of crown sales. If they punish a player they could be alienating someone who spends thousands a month. Even if their actions harm a large group of players, a group which could be non-paying players and therefore worth zero to ZOS.
On the contrary, if we had mandatory subs, and only mandatory subs, all players would be worth the exact same in their bottom line. Ban one, you'd lose one sub, nothing more.
P2P means zero. It's bollocks. This is a f2p-modeled game. The initial price is just adding insult to injury. This isn't new. None of this is new. A lot has been said about this, both in these forums and elsewhere. I'd recommend you check out Jim Sterling's YouTube channel if you want to see how far publishers will go to milk their customers, regardless of whether they already paid upfront.
I think we're saying the same thing, maybe I wasn't clear in my other post.Edited by daemonios on August 19, 2019 1:18PM2 -
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✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »StabbityDoom wrote: »They'd be MUCH better off at least saying "Hey guys, we're putting together the official statement, thank you for your patience" before letting it explode into a group of rabid angry players.
Such a statement would ALSO lead to an outrage of rabid angry players, you know :-) Any statement will lead to that. Only way to restrict it a bit is to be as concrete and pragmatic as possible (with explanations, plans, solutions and schedules). And you're right, they need the top management for that.
I know I'd be less rabid if I knew there'd be a statement soon. I'm sure some others would agree.3 -
Arrodisia✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »barney2525 wrote: »But what Really strikes me is the actions of the Guild Leaders who suddenly had Way too much gold returned ....
AND THEY KNEW IT
Instead of holding the gold in the bank, and reporting the bug, they went and Intentionally EXPLOITED it.
Well, objectively speaking, we do not know exactly who did what and who did nothing. If I had access to all that money, I'd be cautious with it. After all, tracking back all the amounts bid and refunded on this trader flip is a pretty easy thing to do...
By the way, does anyone know what happens in ESO when a guild master is banned ? Is the guild disbanded, or the crown passed on, and anything else ?
The only thing I recall is in order to disband every member must exit or be tossed from the guild. What happens after a gm banned will probably depend if it is permanent or temporary.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »StabbityDoom wrote: »They'd be MUCH better off at least saying "Hey guys, we're putting together the official statement, thank you for your patience" before letting it explode into a group of rabid angry players.
Such a statement would ALSO lead to an outrage of rabid angry players, you know :-) Any statement will lead to that. Only way to restrict it a bit is to be as concrete and pragmatic as possible (with explanations, plans, solutions and schedules). And you're right, they need the top management for that.
What if.... they remain silent and we lose all of our playtime of today because the solution is a rollback they don't announce in advance?
Well, in my opinion , a rollback is not an option now, 18 hours later. Impossible.
That being said, if I were into some important progression stuff (vMA clear for instance) I wouldn't do it today. I'd wait.
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✭✭Well, there is insufficient information of how bad the situation actually is. If bidding guilds got on average extra 2x refunds of all they bid that's only <~10 weeks worth of money sink and may not be worth bothering with. But if its much more it may cause long term problems for econony. ZO$ may know, I dont.
I'd like to see numbers but dont expect they tell us.
Edited by rpa on August 19, 2019 1:31PM1 -
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✭✭✭juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »Unfortunately, this was an exceptional week. However, errors can happen during patching. We really should've gotten the opportunity to test this better on the PTS, and I hope.
Apparently they were too focused on new and innovative ways to destroy PvE magsorcs to notice these little "details".
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✭✭✭✭✭StabbityDoom wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »StabbityDoom wrote: »They'd be MUCH better off at least saying "Hey guys, we're putting together the official statement, thank you for your patience" before letting it explode into a group of rabid angry players.
Such a statement would ALSO lead to an outrage of rabid angry players, you know :-) Any statement will lead to that. Only way to restrict it a bit is to be as concrete and pragmatic as possible (with explanations, plans, solutions and schedules). And you're right, they need the top management for that.
I know I'd be less rabid if I knew there'd be a statement soon. I'm sure some others would agree.
Well here's the "statement", ( http://"]https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6284969/#Comment_6284969 ) , and as you can see, people are rabidly raging anyway...
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✭✭✭I think that It is well understandable who has received excessive repayments. These guilds / guild leaders, of course, the sum must be deducted again. Once they have spent this money, and thus exploited, they should be banned and their assets confiscated.4 -
OsManiaC✭✭✭✭juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »Unfortunately, this was an exceptional week. However, errors can happen during patching. We really should've gotten the opportunity to test this better on the PTS, and I hope.
Apparently they were too focused on new and innovative ways to destroy PvE magsorcs to notice these little "details".
trading is never and will be never their top priority. we saw it in Pts feedback
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Waynerx8✭✭✭✭GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »Lazarus_Rising wrote: »GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »The lowlifes who exploited the bid return money should be banned for a month at least. And the ZOS employee who despite dozens of threads from the community regarding the flaws of the new bid system still decided to let it go live should be fired. Sorry, but I'm running of patience dealing with the greed, negligence and bugs ruining my favourite game.
Half agree, definitely some firing should take place.
As for the exploiter getting banned, nah, this is zos's f up. Its not like they went out of their way to break the system. They just received the gold passively.
they should get punished if they used it because this is bugusing which is agains the tosGrimTheReaper45 wrote: »The lowlifes who exploited the bid return money should be banned for a month at least. And the ZOS employee who despite dozens of threads from the community regarding the flaws of the new bid system still decided to let it go live should be fired. Sorry, but I'm running of patience dealing with the greed, negligence and bugs ruining my favourite game.
Half agree, definitely some firing should take place.
As for the exploiter getting banned, nah, this is zos's f up. Its not like they went out of their way to break the system. They just received the gold passively.
They used this money to damage the market, that is not "passive" action.
All im saying is if this was on ps4 na and happened to me. You bet im using it.
So you like to scam fellow players? No wonder they call you "console peasants"... Glad I'm not on PS4, then.
How is it scamming other players? I buy 200 temps from them they get the money they wanted and it sells fast. If anything i would be sharing the wealth from zos screw ups with fellow players and letting them benefit too.
And you know if this was a crown store issue where crowns were dup'd zos would have had the server shut down in 4s. They dont give a care and let things go on. routine maintenance is what shut dont the server, not zos. They let it go on because it doesnt effect there wallet.
If anything i hope they cant roll this back and have to fix everything manually. Maybe it will teach them to do better qa testing before forcing dumb systems noone asked for or wanted on us
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RedBull_IR✭✭BREAKING NEWS - US Treasury labels ZOS a currency manipulator
Man you PC-EU folks get to have all the fun!
jk, hoping for a positive outcome in ZOS response for you all in PC-EU
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✭✭I understand people are really miffed at the game, for good reasons too.
However, lets NOT launch attacks at individual staff members. As @therift said, that photo was taken in jest and using that out of context on the forums is scummy.Struggling to find a new class to call home.Please send help.3 -
scorpius2k1✭✭✭✭✭
✭This silence from ZoS is deafening. At least say SOMETHING that you hear us. In my humble opinion, I honestly don't think there is anything they can do, they know this and are waiting to see how things pan out.
This hit's an all new low for them. Just feels like ESO has grown too big for the team and they need some major help to get things back under control. Feels like things are spiraling more and more in a bad direction. At least Q4 will see something, hopefully. Better late than never, apparently.
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jo24✭✭Sooo how big is the probability of a rollback on a realistic basis? Did it ever happen in ESO after such a "problem"?
I don't want to waste my time today playing just to see everything disappear tomorrow.Edited by jo24 on August 19, 2019 5:27PM1 -
Bosov✭✭✭✭✭Sooo how big is the probability of a rollback on a realistic basis? Did it ever happen in ESO after such a "problem"?
Not going to happen. Too late now.. imagine if you got the drop you wanted today or did that superhard achievement just now only to have it rerolled?
If a statement will be made it will be in line of WHOOPSIE WE WILL TRY BETTER NEXT TIME. Now deal with it.Xbox One - EU - GT : Bosov
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Delpi✭✭✭✭✭Sooo how big is the probability of a rollback on a realistic basis? Did it ever happen in ESO after such a "problem"?
I don't want to waste my time today playing just to see everything disappear tomorrow.
^^^^ THIS
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✭✭✭Sooo how big is the probability of a rollback on a realistic basis? Did it ever happen in ESO after such a "problem"?
Not going to happen. Too late now.. imagine if you got the drop you wanted today or did that superhard achievement just now only to have it rerolled?
If a statement will be made it will be in line of WHOOPSIE WE WILL TRY BETTER NEXT TIME. Now deal with it.
There is still an ample supply of Daedric Thrones every you look in the game, long after Rolis offered them at zero gold each.
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