The lowlifes who exploited the bid return money should be banned for a month at least. And the ZOS employee who despite dozens of threads from the community regarding the flaws of the new bid system still decided to let it go live should be fired. Sorry, but I'm running of patience dealing with the greed, negligence and bugs ruining my favourite game.

GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »

Streega wrote: »

The lowlifes who exploited the bid return money should be banned for a month at least. And the ZOS employee who despite dozens of threads from the community regarding the flaws of the new bid system still decided to let it go live should be fired. Sorry, but I'm running of patience dealing with the greed, negligence and bugs ruining my favourite game.

Half agree, definitely some firing should take place.

As for the exploiter getting banned, nah, this is zos's f up. Its not like they went out of their way to break the system. They just received the gold passively.

they should get punished if they used it because this is bugusing which is against the tos

Skwor wrote: »

Streega wrote: »

The lowlifes who exploited the bid return money should be banned for a month at least. And the ZOS employee who despite dozens of threads from the community regarding the flaws of the new bid system still decided to let it go live should be fired. Sorry, but I'm running of patience dealing with the greed, negligence and bugs ruining my favourite game.

Actually the exploiters should be permabanned. As a whole toleration of game explotation is way to lenient. They will do it again given the chance, it is in their nature.

again, dont think so. They didnt actively try to break the system. The system was broken ad gave them it regardless of there input or actions.

Zos didnt test this well enough. Its zos's f up. Noone should be banned because of it.

also im ps4 so unbiased. Noone i know or myself was effected by this

GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »

Im ps4 na, so what exactly happened?

System failed to actually hire. or allowed hires to be overwritten during post flip
Trillions of gold dup'd
Flipped cause massive lag


anything else?

that is pretty much it..

GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »

Lazarus_Rising wrote: »

GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »

Streega wrote: »

The lowlifes who exploited the bid return money should be banned for a month at least. And the ZOS employee who despite dozens of threads from the community regarding the flaws of the new bid system still decided to let it go live should be fired. Sorry, but I'm running of patience dealing with the greed, negligence and bugs ruining my favourite game.

Half agree, definitely some firing should take place.

As for the exploiter getting banned, nah, this is zos's f up. Its not like they went out of their way to break the system. They just received the gold passively.

they should get punished if they used it because this is bugusing which is agains the tos

Streega wrote: »

GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »

Streega wrote: »

The lowlifes who exploited the bid return money should be banned for a month at least. And the ZOS employee who despite dozens of threads from the community regarding the flaws of the new bid system still decided to let it go live should be fired. Sorry, but I'm running of patience dealing with the greed, negligence and bugs ruining my favourite game.

Half agree, definitely some firing should take place.

As for the exploiter getting banned, nah, this is zos's f up. Its not like they went out of their way to break the system. They just received the gold passively.

They used this money to damage the market, that is not "passive" action.

All im saying is if this was on ps4 na and happened to me. You bet im using it.

So you like to scam fellow players? No wonder they call you "console peasants"... Glad I'm not on PS4, then.

GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »

again, dont think so. They didnt actively try to break the system. The system was broken ad gave them it regardless of there input or actions.

Zos didnt test this well enough. Its zos's f up. Noone should be banned because of it.

also im ps4 so unbiased. Noone i know or myself was effected by this

Bug abuse is when you exploit existing bugs to your advantage. You don't have to "break the system" yourself (how would you even do that?), you simply have to exploit an existing bug. The fact that not only they exploited the bug for the benefit, but to the detriment of the server as a whole, makes it even worse. I don't know about perma bans, but the GM banks and inventory should be nuked as well as their guild banks. Let them start over with the gear they're wearing, and maybe a monthly ban or so.

Varana wrote: »

Cously wrote: »

What exactly happened?

Some guilds have their actual trader, some only a virtual one: They have a trader at the banker and the guild screen, but the actual trader is owned by another guild.

....and having only a virtual trader, they (read as:we) could not even bid manually on another trader, which was and is very annoying.

On the other side they got overcompensated in money that was paid back on their guild banks, still the ratio isn’t clear to me, but it seems around 4-5 times the amount spent on bids.

Streega wrote: »

GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »

Lazarus_Rising wrote: »

GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »

Streega wrote: »

The lowlifes who exploited the bid return money should be banned for a month at least. And the ZOS employee who despite dozens of threads from the community regarding the flaws of the new bid system still decided to let it go live should be fired. Sorry, but I'm running of patience dealing with the greed, negligence and bugs ruining my favourite game.

Half agree, definitely some firing should take place.

As for the exploiter getting banned, nah, this is zos's f up. Its not like they went out of their way to break the system. They just received the gold passively.

they should get punished if they used it because this is bugusing which is agains the tos

Streega wrote: »

GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »

Streega wrote: »

The lowlifes who exploited the bid return money should be banned for a month at least. And the ZOS employee who despite dozens of threads from the community regarding the flaws of the new bid system still decided to let it go live should be fired. Sorry, but I'm running of patience dealing with the greed, negligence and bugs ruining my favourite game.

Half agree, definitely some firing should take place.

As for the exploiter getting banned, nah, this is zos's f up. Its not like they went out of their way to break the system. They just received the gold passively.

They used this money to damage the market, that is not "passive" action.

All im saying is if this was on ps4 na and happened to me. You bet im using it.

So you like to scam fellow players? No wonder they call you "console peasants"... Glad I'm not on PS4, then.

How is it scamming other players? I buy 200 temps from them they get the money they wanted and it sells fast. If anything i would be sharing the wealth from zos screw ups with fellow players and letting them benefit too.

And you know if this was a crown store issue where crowns were dup'd zos would have had the server shut down in 4s. They dont give a care and let things go on. routine maintenance is what shut dont the server, not zos. They let it go on because it doesnt effect there wallet.

If anything i hope they cant roll this back and have to fix everything manually. Maybe it will teach them to do better qa testing before forcing dumb systems noone asked for or wanted on us

Streega wrote: »

GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »

Lazarus_Rising wrote: »

GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »

Streega wrote: »

The lowlifes who exploited the bid return money should be banned for a month at least. And the ZOS employee who despite dozens of threads from the community regarding the flaws of the new bid system still decided to let it go live should be fired. Sorry, but I'm running of patience dealing with the greed, negligence and bugs ruining my favourite game.

Half agree, definitely some firing should take place.

As for the exploiter getting banned, nah, this is zos's f up. Its not like they went out of their way to break the system. They just received the gold passively.

they should get punished if they used it because this is bugusing which is agains the tos

Streega wrote: »

GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »

Streega wrote: »

The lowlifes who exploited the bid return money should be banned for a month at least. And the ZOS employee who despite dozens of threads from the community regarding the flaws of the new bid system still decided to let it go live should be fired. Sorry, but I'm running of patience dealing with the greed, negligence and bugs ruining my favourite game.

Half agree, definitely some firing should take place.

As for the exploiter getting banned, nah, this is zos's f up. Its not like they went out of their way to break the system. They just received the gold passively.

They used this money to damage the market, that is not "passive" action.

All im saying is if this was on ps4 na and happened to me. You bet im using it.

So you like to scam fellow players? No wonder they call you "console peasants"... Glad I'm not on PS4, then.

Also they call us console peasants because we actually have to play the game the way it was made. No fancy addons to tell us when to block or when our dots are up or when were loosing uptime on buffs or where lorebooks and skyshards then we get charged the same to skip it as players who can just braindead follow a map parker.

Were peasants because we actually have to put work in to do *** instead of just having it handed to us on a platter.

Hello Don Tomas,
Most likely you didn't understand what I said in my last post otherwise I really don't see why you would write such things. So let me explain my thoughts in a better way if it was somehow unclear to you.
What I say is that the new multi-bid system is made such as it'll be VERY difficult for small-medium guilds to protect their spots, considering the amount of money required to multi-bid and that they will face more competitions on their own spot. Many of them already closed because of that. So yes, it'll be difficult for them to resist and continue existing, and this is sad, as I always wrote.
About big guilds : big guilds worked hard for months, years, and continuously work hard to secure great spots, it just doesn't happen overnight, and no, not all of them ask fees ! None of mine ask fees actually, and I've never been in a guild asking me to pay for selling my items in over 3 years of playing ESO. I know that it exists though.

chess1ukb16_ESO wrote: »

If they do not permaban people that laundered gold since this happened and reclaim the multi-bid refunds PC EU is going to get rough.

Normal so far unaffected players will never be able to afford to buy potions or upgrade their gear because all the raw ingredients will be sitting in craft bags of Trade GM's.

My trade alliance is still selling everything at the same prices as before the update. I've seen some of the other trade guilds are selling at decent prices too. It makes sense, since not every guild got extra money. Some guilds lost money, and some of them posted it in these threads. Let's just see what happens.

daemonios wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

ZOS managed to make a thriving game out of a game that was truly dying 6 months after launch, in spite of their blatant organisation and structure issues. They'll solve the performance issues at some point. Even if being optimistic makes me look dumb.

I didn't see the game dying 6 months after launch. I've had no access to the numbers. ZOS launched the store less than a year after launch. Between the decision to implement it and the time required to write the code and make the necessary changes to the game, that decision must have been made prior to launch or soon thereafter. Unless ZOS disclose official documents proving otherwise, I'm calling BS on this theory that the store saved a dying game.

Store ? What store ? The crown store ? I wasn't even thinking of the crown store, let alone referring to it.
I was referring to the whole initial game design with linear progression, layers, phases and hurdles everywhere to keep the story and progression consistent. Forgetting that ESO is an MMO where people are supposed to play together. The entire first year, you COULD NOT play with anyone who wasn't 1/ in your faction 2/ exactly at the same stage of any given quest as yourself. That was a central design mistake and the game was literally dying because of it by the end of 2014.
Then Rich Lambert took over and redesigned everything from the ground up, eliminating all those hurdles one by one, finally leading to the One Tamriel Update in 2016, which, in terms of game design, is 180° opposite to the original design. And the game has been recovering, then flourishing, ever since. I don't have numbers either, but this is something you can reliably feel ingame (number of new players in your guilds, number of guilds being created and advertised, crowds in ingame hubs, etc. ).

My point was : you can bash companies as much as you want, whether you are inside or outside, but if a company has been successful for a decent amount of time (which is the case of ZOS with ESO), then that company MUST have done at least some essential things correctly.
This guild trader thing is undoubtedly a spectacular disaster, but it doesn't mean that everyone and everything at ZOS is sh*t.