You guys NEED to do a Server Reset!!!!

JN_Slevin · August 2019

Seriously, it does not matter how much time has passed how many achievements were gained or anything..

The Economy WILL NOT RECOVER ANYTIME SOON if you dont do a Reset / Rollback!

Alot of People already laundered the Free Gold, Everything will get STUPIDLY expensive. Mabye you dont realize it yet, but wait until Spell Power Potions will be 2k each!

I know it sucks, but there is literally no other way to stabilize the Game for the Moment.

bmnoble · August 2019

Cani wrote: »

Seriously, it does not matter how much time has passed how many achievements were gained or anything..

The Economy WILL NOT RECOVER ANYTIME SOON if you dont do a Reset!

Alot of People already laundered the Free Gold, Everything will get STUPIDLY expensive. Mabye you dont realize it yet, but wait until Spell Power Potions will be 2k each!

I know it sucks, but there is literally no other way to stabilize the Game for the Moment.

Only if people are stupid enough to pay that amount.

There will always be rich players, don't like the prices they put stuff up for don't pay them, when people going to sell more notice that an item has been sitting for 7 - 10 - 20+ days they will undercut in order to sell their stock.

Any idiot can put an item up at a stupid price, takes a few minutes to shop around with the TTC website to find reasonably priced items your after and if there are none listed, wait a few days for more stock to be listed.

The moment you start paying a higher price and guilds MM stats show that a lot of that item sells at that price, people will start selling at that price until people stop buying it.

whisperity · August 2019

There are plenty. A levy is one very harsh path to take. But because the goods are virtual, increasing the drop rate for desired goods (such as mats) is also one, something you couldn't do in an economy in a world that adheres to thermodynamics. Now that there are more capital in the system, you can cause artificial deflation by increasing the amount of goods this capital can be spent on. The fact that most mats are going into consumables which then leave the economy (upgraded items are not tradable, potions get destroyed by drinking them, etc.) also boosts the power of increasing material output could have on turning towards deflation.

pdblake · August 2019

They could always give every account a few gold mats each (save for those who got bidding refunds), that would make the price drop pretty quick too.

Ok, you can laugh now.

But they did fix the "why the hell has my horse stopped galloping?" bug. Seriously, that was getting annoying.

Teeba_Shei · August 2019

Color me ignorant, but wouldn't the guild trading thing cause a drop in prices? If you can't sell your goods for a week then goods will pile up and you'll have to drop your price next week because of all the other people flooding the market as well. Or it will just break even because there are less goods being sold this week.

Aznarb · August 2019

Wut ? Everything is cheap af on this game.
Only housing item seem to be incredibly pricey for some, maybe few motif too, that all.

After 1 month paying I was full gold (including jewelery) and I was not using TTC or MM so I had to take a paper and a pen to calculate myself a reasonable price, took me one week of farm to get enough money.

Atm, after 8 month playing, I'm sitting on lot of different full gold set, decent amount of money and load of material so I can craft all I need w/o spent a penny.

In this game, if you're not lazy, you don't really need gold.

Also thanks to Wrothgar 2x gathering event, easy to stock-pile even more mat.
I was very surprised to encounter only few farmer during the whole event duration.
Maybe like OP, people rather to not farm and complain about price..

redgreensunset · August 2019

Synapsis123 wrote: »

Color me ignorant, but wouldn't the guild trading thing cause a drop in prices? If you can't sell your goods for a week then goods will pile up and you'll have to drop your price next week because of all the other people flooding the market as well. Or it will just break even because there are less goods being sold this week.

Not when this was coupled with an influx of billions into the economy. Billions that's already been laundered and will be transferred back into the economy. Inflation will go nuts.

Used to play a game that had a similar event occur, a number of players got hundred of millons for nothing due to glitch in the trading system. That was nearly six years ago. The devs did nothing, the money stayed in game and even today, all these many years later the economy still have not recovered and prices are through the roof, to the detriment of new players. ZOS need to address this or the player economy on PC-EU will be permanently screwed.

Tandor · August 2019

Isn't it the guilds that have received all this excess money rather than individual players? If a few extra billion have gone into the guild bank then surely the GM can drop weekly charges for a few weeks or months? If anything goes up because the guild banks are overflowing with gold won't it be the weekly bids that get inflated rather than the individual items listed?

pdblake · August 2019

Tandor wrote: »

Isn't it the guilds that have received all this excess money rather than individual players? If a few extra billion have gone into the guild bank then surely the GM can drop weekly charges for a few weeks or months? If anything goes up because the guild banks are overflowing with gold won't it be the weekly bids that get inflated rather than the individual items listed?

Not if they've already spent it buying up gold mats and the like.

Sanguinor2 · August 2019

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Tandor wrote: »

Isn't it the guilds that have received all this excess money rather than individual players? If a few extra billion have gone into the guild bank then surely the GM can drop weekly charges for a few weeks or months? If anything goes up because the guild banks are overflowing with gold won't it be the weekly bids that get inflated rather than the individual items listed?

You are assuming that the Guild leader/Leadership with permission to withdraw Gold from the guildbank wont use it to their own Advantage, dangerous assumption to make if you get a sudden Influx of billions that no Guild member donated towards.

MartiniDaniels · August 2019

Tandor wrote: »

Isn't it the guilds that have received all this excess money rather than individual players? If a few extra billion have gone into the guild bank then surely the GM can drop weekly charges for a few weeks or months? If anything goes up because the guild banks are overflowing with gold won't it be the weekly bids that get inflated rather than the individual items listed?

I think nothing really critical for regular ESO+ players with ton of gold and mats in the bank. But for newbies, for players without ESO+ and first for all for players who enjoyed game economy system.. for them all that is really bad. Many farmers-sellers-resellers may simply QQ after such event and prices inevitably will go higher.

barney2525 · August 2019

Synapsis123 wrote: »

Color me ignorant, but wouldn't the guild trading thing cause a drop in prices? If you can't sell your goods for a week then goods will pile up and you'll have to drop your price next week because of all the other people flooding the market as well. Or it will just break even because there are less goods being sold this week.

No, because now that they have literal Billions of gold, they will buy every last important item just because they can.

There will not BE any reasonable prices. And you have to include the fact that some of these guild leaders, This is the only reason they play this game. They love the economics. They love the challenge. Why do you think they ran right out and spent the gold? Because if they Didn't, it would be an easy situation for Zos to correct. It was intentional, and it was to corner the market on specific valuable items.

IMHO

Ramber · August 2019

anyone care to explain what this guys is talking about? there is no explination why he is wanting a reset.

Sanguinor2 · August 2019

Ramber wrote: »

anyone care to explain what this guys is talking about? there is no explination why he is wanting a reset.

There is if you are PC EU.
Guild bidding for trade spots went really wonky, guilds that won spots didnt get them or any spot, guilds that didnt get anything could just walk up to any Trader and hire it for 10k, People got their bidding Gold back only multiplied, there has been a number thrown around of A SINGLE PERSON receiving over 1 bilion Gold and People apparently are buying up mats to resell them at 5 to 10 times the Price with Gold they gained from a bug damaging the economy for a Long time and making mats unaffordable for newer players.

kylewwefan · August 2019

Ramber wrote: »

anyone care to explain what this guys is talking about? there is no explination why he is wanting a reset.

I came here thinking this was a performance issue related thread. I found some dude with a tin foil hat complaining about pixel economics

daemonios · August 2019

Ramber wrote: »

anyone care to explain what this guys is talking about? there is no explination why he is wanting a reset.

Guild trader hiring went FUBAR. Guilds were notified they'd won their bids, but the trader remained unhired. Then guilds were refunded multiple times the amount they bid, essentially printing millions of gold pieces at a time, which devalues gold and causes inflation because billionaires won't care if they pay 10gp for something or 10k gp.

MartiniDaniels · August 2019

kylewwefan wrote: »

Ramber wrote: »

anyone care to explain what this guys is talking about? there is no explination why he is wanting a reset.

I came here thinking this was a performance issue related thread. I found some dude with a tin foil hat complaining about pixel economics

So killing pixel bots which spawn in pre-defined sequence and do each time exactly the same is more worthwhile activity then trading with real people for pixel currency, which in it's turn can be converted to crowns?
/s
No offence, just joking, I think everybody can do what they like in the game.

Mathius_Mordred · August 2019

Pixel economics, love it. So it went fubar for a week, it will settle down, as long as the same crap doesn't happen next week it's just a momentary blip, nothing to worry about. Just in case though, going to make 10 x 500K bids next week on traders I know I won't win, lol that should net me 20 million if they haven't fixed it!

DaveMoeDee · August 2019

While OP needs to work on including pertinent info in their post like which server and/or what happened, this is a pretty bad problem. There are a lot of players who would really exploit that much gold to control markets. The most destructive people are those who will do anything to see their bank balances go up just to see it go up.

Server reset sounds absurd though. A large percentage of the player base doesn't take part much in the economy. Better to have a broken economy than to have people restarting or emptying people's crafting bags. I don't really care about the value of my mats. I've been flipping corn flower the past week because it is a no effort way to hit my guild minimum. If not for supporting trade guild, I would just sit on the mats I already have. While I would be upset about the inflation and devaluation of my current gold if I was on PC/EU, that doesn't compare to losing progress in the game.

Tandor · August 2019

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

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Tandor wrote: »

Isn't it the guilds that have received all this excess money rather than individual players? If a few extra billion have gone into the guild bank then surely the GM can drop weekly charges for a few weeks or months? If anything goes up because the guild banks are overflowing with gold won't it be the weekly bids that get inflated rather than the individual items listed?

You are assuming that the Guild leader/Leadership with permission to withdraw Gold from the guildbank wont use it to their own Advantage, dangerous assumption to make if you get a sudden Influx of billions that no Guild member donated towards.

I'm assuming that most Guild Leaders are decent players with the interests of their guild at the heart of their actions. There may be a few that don't fit that description and their members will know what to do with their guild membership.

DaveMoeDee · August 2019

To clarify, if by reset you mean rollback, that would actually make sense.

AlnilamE · August 2019

They don't need to reset the servers. All they need is to take back the gold that was paid in excess, even if the guild bank amount goes into the negative.

That should fix the problem, and anyone who spent the money will be in a pickle of their own making.

TheHsN · August 2019

Wowww Even in game life finds its ways to show people that always rich people will step on poor people to be more rich...

Tnx ZOs...:):):) You gave us a life lesson!!!

Vahrokh · August 2019

Transactions are usually tracked. All they have to do is to revert them. And, if someone purchased 100M worth of gold reagents with that money, he cheated and will find himself with -100M balance in bank.

JN_Slevin · August 2019

Maybe i should have given more Information, but as i see it this is the most pressing Issue right now and everybody on the EU Server is aware of that.

I don't know exactly what will happen, but its NEVER healthy on any Economy (Real or "pixel") to release a large amount of Currency into the Wild.

If they change the droprates because of this the Market will destabilize even more.

There is not much else to do and since the economy is one of the Core Mechanics in any MMO things will go south!

Yeah i know it sucks to have lost some progress, but if they dont reset the Server, or Trace EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF GOLD made by the Bug and get rid of it i have a strong feeling this Economy wont recover, but i doubt that is even possible anymore....

And i do not care about the Price of some Items, i care about the Price of all Items! The economy needs to be stable! Otherwise it will be chaos. Not to mention with Crown Trading there is an Issue with real World money on hand,

MaleAmazon · August 2019

No we don´t. I have done stuff in the last few days, I don´t want that taken away. (I assume you mean rollback and not reset).

Mabye you dont realize it yet, but wait until Spell Power Potions will be 2k each!

I will probably do what I do now, which is make my own.

JN_Slevin · August 2019

MaleAmazon wrote: »

No we don´t. I have done stuff in the last few days, I don´t want that taken away. (I assume you mean rollback and not reset).

Mabye you dont realize it yet, but wait until Spell Power Potions will be 2k each!

I will probably do what I do now, which is make my own.

Sure, only Potions will cost 2k and the Flowers needed to make those will stay stable.

And noone is talking about days.. I don't know when ZOS is doing its Backups, maybe they can even reset it 5 Minutes before the Trader swap.

Tatanko · August 2019

kylewwefan wrote: »

I found some dude with a tin foil hat complaining about pixel economics

"I don't understand how this works, so I'm just going to dismiss it as unimportant."

MartiniDaniels · August 2019

MaleAmazon wrote: »

No we don´t. I have done stuff in the last few days, I don´t want that taken away. (I assume you mean rollback and not reset).

Mabye you dont realize it yet, but wait until Spell Power Potions will be 2k each!

I will probably do what I do now, which is make my own.

Corn price already up. Also don't forget that new BiS magicka food for PVE bretons requires 3xclam gall for one cooking. Now check recent prices on corn and clam gall

I was buying all clam gall I saw last week and it was flying away in less then 10-15 minutes.

MaleAmazon · August 2019

Sure, only Potions will cost 2k and the Flowers needed to make those will stay stable.

Where have all the flowers gone?

Long time passing

Where have all the flowers gone?

Picked by bots, everyone

When will ZOS learn?

When will ZOS learn?

Where has my nightblade gone?

Long time passing

Where has my nightblade gone?

Gone to IC where she farms telvar during offhours so she can buy alchemy satchels and get ingredients that she uses to make tons of potions because she put points into passives from those 'useless' according to some people crafting skills so she get several potions with each created batch and also you don´t need to play PvP 24/7

When will the forum whiners ever learn?

They will never learn.

mcagatayg · August 2019

do a rollback pls for the love of akatosh