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Khajiit is severely underpowered
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✭✭✭✭✭Khajiits will NEVER have good enough stats to make them desirable. You know why? Because the elitist dps meta chasers have ZOS wrapped around their fingers, and they do NOT want their toons to have tails!
Yes, really. I'm not kidding. We all saw what happened when Khajiits finally got spell crit after years of wishing and hoping... Within one WEEK, the Altmer/Dunmer Mafia raised hell on the forums and forced ZOS to backpedal.
This is why there is no point in asking for buffs for Khajiits. If they ever actually got good again, they would just get nerfed within a week to save meta chasers from being "forced" to grow a tail.
Edited by Emma_Overload on August 16, 2019 6:18AM#CAREBEARMASTERRACE4 -
vesselwiththepestle✭✭✭✭✭
✭In fact having an OP shadow mundus was more important than Khajiit's crit bonus, so they changed it to crit damage thus ruining many builds which relied on high crit chances
. Instead of tuning Shadow down a bit, so Khajiit's magicka crit bonus wouldn't have been op. But hey, here we are, everyone using Shadow mundus, nice diversity and balancing, isn't it?
Khajiit is supposed to be a weak, non-competetive race.
I bet even if you run a Khajiit-favoring setup like Leviathan instead of Lokke etc. you'd still perform better if you'd wear the same on Orc or Dunmer.Edited by vesselwiththepestle on August 16, 2019 6:21AM1000+ CP
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BattleAxe✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »They'd be a solid choice for stam if orc weren't so overtuned.
Orc is not overtuned FYI. Khajit is actually on par. When the racial balance came that gave us the current iteration of racial passives all races were shown to be within 2 k dps of each other this includes races with no offensive based passives.
But back to orc is overtuned comment if this is true why do a lot of the players releasing builds usually recommend using redguard. Seems odd if orc is so overtuned why aren’t they more recommended. Even if orc was overtuned why say it like your asking for it to be nerfed instead of ph idk asking for other races to be brought up.1 -
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This might have been true for dummy parse builds done by top notch players.Orc is not overtuned FYI. Khajit is actually on par. When the racial balance came that gave us the current iteration of racial passives all races were shown to be within 2 k dps of each other this includes races with no offensive based passives.
If you factor in that many raid groups want 18k health for example the difference gets bigger.
You mean like buffing Khajiit's? So do you think buffing Khajiit to be on par with Orcs is advisable or not?Even if orc was overtuned why say it like your asking for it to be nerfed instead of ph idk asking for other races to be brought up.
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Minor tweaks to racial passives is advisable but another racial overhaul is not0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Orc is so OP simply because of ideal synergy with lava foot-soup. Remove that food and he will be just a slice better then others.
Saying that khajiit is weak in PVP is pointless, cats have higher stat density then non-hybrid races and in PVP all stats are very viable even off-resource ones. And clearly BiS for crit builds.
In magicka department khajiits went from being useless to be better then argonians for example.
In questing/overland khajiit is one of the best if not best race due to looks, voicing, stealth bonus.
So in conclusion I don't see much point to complain, khajiit is not BiS for pve group roles but is behind BiS just a one set bonus, while having a ton of other benefits which BiS PVE races doesn't have.1 -
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✭Consider this a formal complaint, my favorite character, Reggie Mane the Stray Kat, is so far below my other characters when it comes to combat it’s insane. I can throw the same gear Reggie was wearing on my Orc, Regginald Mane, and the stats are grossly different. Poor Reggie Kat can’t catch a break.
Are Khajiits supposed to be reserved to RPing thieves or hybrid builds?
WTF, please fix, for Reggie.
You are wrong. in so many ways.
Tell me which Khajiit racial is weak ?
Robustness? great overal regen. In curent game stage there are few build who need one resource regen. Most need atleast 2. You have 3...
Lunar Blessing ? Max resources/ all 3/ make you VERY versatile and able to switch from mag to stam or even tank builds without class penalty like bretons or h elfs.
Feline Ambush ? Increase your crit dmg and healing by 10% / on all skills, not just magica or stamina based/ Again very versatile because even if you are not crit based dps build, one +10% crit heal can be the diference between life and death. Both pvp, pve.
+5% pickpocket and Reduces your detection radius by 3m is a nice adition if you decide to do Thiefs Guild or Assasins quest.
So mate, tell me which racial is bad?
And to one who post that argonian and wood elfs are bad. For real, learn this game. Argonian have Immunity to the diseased status effect /the pvp players know how importand that is/ +BEST sustain in game / both resources/ followed by red guard and wood elf if we speak about stamina. Learn to build around your skills and stop complain.
Ppl even change races to wood elf to "exploit" some unkilable kings of the kite builds in pvp.
So again, learn the game.
Good luck.Edited by Runkorko on August 16, 2019 8:18AM1 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »They'd be a solid choice for stam if orc weren't so overtuned.
Orc is not overtuned FYI. Khajit is actually on par. When the racial balance came that gave us the current iteration of racial passives all races were shown to be within 2 k dps of each other this includes races with no offensive based passives.
But back to orc is overtuned comment if this is true why do a lot of the players releasing builds usually recommend using redguard. Seems odd if orc is so overtuned why aren’t they more recommended. Even if orc was overtuned why say it like your asking for it to be nerfed instead of ph idk asking for other races to be brought up.
Literally every single endgame stamina player uses orc.
Redguard were the meta previously, hence why you'll see them recommended in old guides.Edited by MLGProPlayer on August 16, 2019 8:20AM5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Orc is so OP simply because of ideal synergy with lava foot-soup. Remove that food and he will be just a slice better then others.
Saying that khajiit is weak in PVP is pointless, cats have higher stat density then non-hybrid races and in PVP all stats are very viable even off-resource ones. And clearly BiS for crit builds.
In magicka department khajiits went from being useless to be better then argonians for example.
In questing/overland khajiit is one of the best if not best race due to looks, voicing, stealth bonus.
So in conclusion I don't see much point to complain, khajiit is not BiS for pve group roles but is behind BiS just a one set bonus, while having a ton of other benefits which BiS PVE races doesn't have.
Get rid of their +1000 health. That's such a ridiculous passive that lets them avoid building for health. Give them magicka regen to make them the stam version of Altmer. Get rid of their sprint cost reduction passive too so they don't have any sustain passives.Edited by MLGProPlayer on August 16, 2019 8:24AM2 -
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✭✭✭✭Just make a well balanced insanely high crit chance + crit damage full re7ard DOT build on your cat and you'll see its true power.
I've been laughing off my bawls lately with a build like that in PvP.
Keep in mind that Nightblade gets another 10% extra crit damage too.Edited by Nyladreas on August 16, 2019 1:07PM1 -
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✭p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »Consider this a formal complaint, my favorite character, Reggie Mane the Stray Kat, is so far below my other characters when it comes to combat it’s insane. I can throw the same gear Reggie was wearing on my Orc, Regginald Mane, and the stats are grossly different. Poor Reggie Kat can’t catch a break.
Are Khajiits supposed to be reserved to RPing thieves or hybrid builds?
WTF, please fix, for Reggie.
Khajiit is strong and cool looking. Strong because it has some pretty solid overall passives making good Tanks, Magicka - Stamina DDs & Healers of all classes.
So stop copying builds blindly without realizing what racial passives you have and how to compensate.
If you play Khajiit you can skip the Shadow Mundus so change it to what ever you need.
Apprentice (Spell Damage), to be in par of Altmer, Warrior (Weapon Damage) to be in par of hard hitting Orcs.
Or you can go Mother Sorrow/Leviathan with Shadow Mundus for a hell a lot of more damage.
And especially if you are good with stacks, on Stamplar & Sta-Sorc use Tzogvin's. It will free the trap slot for 1 more skill to use.
No they don’t have good passives lol. 100 health recovery and 80 mag/stam recov is a complete waste. The other max stat is one or two hakeijo or triune jewelry pc. It’s the other way around, all you Kats are bringing suboptimal builds into your groups cause you’re blinded by how your characters look!
Maths not your strong point eh? This subject is been exhausted since Wrathstone and you need to take the other changes to Champion passives in mind.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Consider this a formal complaint, my favorite character, Reggie Mane the Stray Kat, is so far below my other characters when it comes to combat it’s insane. I can throw the same gear Reggie was wearing on my Orc, Regginald Mane, and the stats are grossly different. Poor Reggie Kat can’t catch a break.
Are Khajiits supposed to be reserved to RPing thieves or hybrid builds?
WTF, please fix, for Reggie.
And to one who post that argonian and wood elfs are bad. For real, learn this game. Argonian have Immunity to the diseased status effect /the pvp players know how importand that is/ +BEST sustain in game / both resources/ followed by red guard and wood elf if we speak about stamina. Learn to build around your skills and stop complain.
Ppl even change races to wood elf to "exploit" some unkilable kings of the kite builds in pvp.
So again, learn the game.
Good luck.
Nobody says argonian or bosmer are weak in PVP. But in PVE they are completely outclassed, especially given that it became easier to sustain. I'll swap bosmer passives for khajiit's any day.0 -
Lisutaris✭✭✭✭✭BUFF KHAJIIT! WANT TO LOOK LIKE THIS. THX!
... not this pls. But best mount for khajiit above!
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ATreeGnome✭✭✭✭I'm legitimately surprised at all the the suggestions to "make a crit build". I thought it was common knowledge that the weapon/spell damage races crit harder than Khajiit with pretty much every possible build, even when it comes to healing crits.
They need something to make them competitive with Dunmer damagewise.4 -
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✭✭✭✭ATreeGnome wrote: »I'm legitimately surprised at all the the suggestions to "make a crit build". I thought it was common knowledge that the weapon/spell damage races crit harder than Khajiit with pretty much every possible build, even when it comes to healing crits.
They need something to make them competitive with Dunmer damagewise.
PvE yes...
In PvP though, high enough dot crit build on a Khajiit can be more devastating than weapon damage stacking race.
And that's to say with the fact that Khajiit indeed does lack a balanced approach. 15% crit damage would've been much more fair compared to other racials.Edited by Nyladreas on August 16, 2019 1:13PM1 -
Kolzki✭✭✭✭✭I have a khajiit stam blade main, stam warden, stam sorc, magplar and mag necro (and a few non khajiit chars). None of them run the thief.
It’s unusual to run a low enough base crit % for the thief to be better than the shadow. This happens when running siroria with spell strategist as neither set has a crit bonus or if running a non-precise 2h setup on stamina. Those are not builds that I would normally run though.
Testing race changes on pts I find that orcs generally hit about 1 to 2% harder than khajiit. Orc’s crits do indeed hit harder too. I haven’t race changed anything on live but I am on the fence on making my new stam necro a khajiit or an orc.
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✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Consider this a formal complaint, my favorite character, Reggie Mane the Stray Kat, is so far below my other characters when it comes to combat it’s insane. I can throw the same gear Reggie was wearing on my Orc, Regginald Mane, and the stats are grossly different. Poor Reggie Kat can’t catch a break.
Are Khajiits supposed to be reserved to RPing thieves or hybrid builds?
WTF, please fix, for Reggie.
You are wrong. in so many ways.
Tell me which Khajiit racial is weak ?
Robustness? great overal regen. In curent game stage there are few build who need one resource regen. Most need atleast 2. You have 3...
Lunar Blessing ? Max resources/ all 3/ make you VERY versatile and able to switch from mag to stam or even tank builds without class penalty like bretons or h elfs.
Feline Ambush ? Increase your crit dmg and healing by 10% / on all skills, not just magica or stamina based/ Again very versatile because even if you are not crit based dps build, one +10% crit heal can be the diference between life and death. Both pvp, pve.
+5% pickpocket and Reduces your detection radius by 3m is a nice adition if you decide to do Thiefs Guild or Assasins quest.
So mate, tell me which racial is bad?
And to one who post that argonian and wood elfs are bad. For real, learn this game. Argonian have Immunity to the diseased status effect /the pvp players know how importand that is/ +BEST sustain in game / both resources/ followed by red guard and wood elf if we speak about stamina. Learn to build around your skills and stop complain.
Ppl even change races to wood elf to "exploit" some unkilable kings of the kite builds in pvp.
So again, learn the game.
Good luck.
All of them except crit % are bad. I also got a kick out of you citing 5% pickpocket lol, not sure if that was meant to be funny but thanks.p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »Consider this a formal complaint, my favorite character, Reggie Mane the Stray Kat, is so far below my other characters when it comes to combat it’s insane. I can throw the same gear Reggie was wearing on my Orc, Regginald Mane, and the stats are grossly different. Poor Reggie Kat can’t catch a break.
Are Khajiits supposed to be reserved to RPing thieves or hybrid builds?
WTF, please fix, for Reggie.
Khajiit is strong and cool looking. Strong because it has some pretty solid overall passives making good Tanks, Magicka - Stamina DDs & Healers of all classes.
So stop copying builds blindly without realizing what racial passives you have and how to compensate.
If you play Khajiit you can skip the Shadow Mundus so change it to what ever you need.
Apprentice (Spell Damage), to be in par of Altmer, Warrior (Weapon Damage) to be in par of hard hitting Orcs.
Or you can go Mother Sorrow/Leviathan with Shadow Mundus for a hell a lot of more damage.
And especially if you are good with stacks, on Stamplar & Sta-Sorc use Tzogvin's. It will free the trap slot for 1 more skill to use.
No they don’t have good passives lol. 100 health recovery and 80 mag/stam recov is a complete waste. The other max stat is one or two hakeijo or triune jewelry pc. It’s the other way around, all you Kats are bringing suboptimal builds into your groups cause you’re blinded by how your characters look!
Maths not your strong point eh? This subject is been exhausted since Wrathstone and you need to take the other changes to Champion passives in mind.
You don’t have to be a mathematician to pull your head out of your.. tail. The passives are bad. And your simplification of just saying “you don’t need shadow run a different Mundus” implies you’re actually bad at math and don’t understand how the other passives leave you behind other races. It’s not that simple, Simpy Simpleton.
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SoLooney✭✭✭✭✭I thought khajiits were BiS in role playing as I saw a huge spike in khajiits after elsweyr dropped1
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✭✭✭✭✭I thought khajiits were BiS in role playing as I saw a huge spike in khajiits after elsweyr dropped
Lol, so true. I actually think they were intended to be a good race for Necromancers. Look at the synergy between Khajiit’s 10% crit damage combined with Necromancer’s 100% crit chance in execute. Then there’s the fact that Khajiit health bonus and Necromancer health bonus work together to make Lava Foot viable. Unfortunately, nobody seemed to realize that Orc still does more damage even at 100% crit chance, and also has a larger health bonus. Definitely missed an opportunity for Khajiit stamcro meta in the year of Elsweyr.1 -
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Ozby✭✭✭✭✭Khajiit is one of the better races for DDs because of the crit damage passive, run thief instead of shadow and you'll be pleasantly surprised :-D
Khajiit have crit bonus to healing not damage anymore, sorry I was wrong they have crit damage i got confused about the the spell crit being removed or it used to be crit chance I think.Edited by Ozby on August 19, 2019 3:02AMPC NA
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es4eva✭✭✭I don't min/max and I don't follow the latest meta...I just like to have fun, throw in a smattering of RP choices, and play the races/classes I feel like playing. I currently have a Khajiit Necro Tank...which aren't supposed to go together, I guess, but I tank vet dungeons and have run some normal trials with him and have had a great time. Some of the absolute top tier, end game, whatever content is probably out if reach, but so what?
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SirPilky✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »
Literally every single endgame stamina player uses orc.
Redguard were the meta previously, hence why you'll see them recommended in old guides.
Hmm I don't know about that, a lot of the people I know that run end-game content don't even run BiS race for all their chars and don't even need to simply because they can execute a rotation properly and that is the thing that will make the most difference, heck, a Nord MagDK can pull enough damage for ANY content without gimping the group, aside from those maybe going for top scores on leaderboards. Enough said.
Edited by SirPilky on August 19, 2019 9:55AM1 -
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✭✭Are Khajiits supposed to be reserved to RPing thieves or hybrid builds?
you think you got it bad [cries in argonian]
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SirPilky✭✭✭No they don’t have good passives lol. 100 health recovery and 80 mag/stam recov is a complete waste. The other max stat is one or two hakeijo or triune jewelry pc. It’s the other way around, all you Kats are bringing suboptimal builds into your groups cause you’re blinded by how your characters look!
My Khajiit Stamcro is far from suboptimal mate, I don't know if you understand that for some races adjustments can be made, cp, gear setup, to pretty much match the BiS races, sure, some races will always be weaker but you can run a character with no racial passives and like my point above you can pull enough damage for any content regardless of race, your point that Khajiit is severly underpowered is bollocks because the race is absolutely in a good place for pretty much all roles as it stands.
Edited by SirPilky on August 19, 2019 9:56AM1
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