Alcast Werewolf vMA build

Swordbreaker · August 2019

I'm trying to follow Alcast's vMA werewolf build (https://alcasthq.com/eso-solo-stamina-werewolf-build-pve/) because i hate vMA but wanna try to do a few more runs while the double drop event is active.

But i'm confused how he's reaching the stats that he is. Unbuffed, in non WW form, he's sitting at 25k+ health and 30k+ stamina. He also has 2600+ weapon damage and 42% crit. While wearing all of the same gear, i'm only seeing 16k health, 24k stamina, 2100 weapon damage and 39% crit.
I feel like i'm following the guide but my stats are WAY off from where the guide says they should be. My build absolutely will not work in its current state, and i'm not sure what i'm doing wrong.

Swordbreaker · August 2019

EDIT: I should also note that my health and stamina recovery are slightly lower too, but my physical resistance is only slightly lower, while my spell resistance is 5k higher than his. I just dont understand what's causing the difference in stats since i'm comparing both stats in an unbuffed state.

kmcaj · August 2019

I don't know but if I try later I'll update. Just not sure if i want to pay to buy Allesian stuff, change CP, attributes, and skills just for another failed attempt at vMA.

eso_lytw8 · August 2019

Worked for me, 135 runs and just could not get that one perfect one...#136 was flawless. It was killing me to not get a flawless run so I did two things. #1 I practiced the heck out of round 7. Instead of killing the boss I let him kill me when his health was at a fraction. I did this probably 40-50 times before resetting and trying from the beginning. The random nature of this round and the bugginess of the arena make it extremely hard. One thing I missed was that the acid arrows from the archers count like a spore so you can not let them hit you, if you do you have to cleanse.

The other thing I did was use this werewolf build. I tried it the first time just playing around to level the skills and what do you know I got flawless. I even lost werewolf on the crystal phase on stage 9. I kept my cool and built up my ulti just light attacking leaving the last crystal alive. I dropped down finished my ulti then transformed and there it was....flawless conqueror.

I would not try it now I understand VMA is totally whacked from the event. I also understand they gutted werewolves in the latest PC patch so not sure if it is still a viable approach or not.

Kidgangster101 · August 2019

Swordbreaker wrote: »

I'm trying to follow Alcast's vMA werewolf build (https://alcasthq.com/eso-solo-stamina-werewolf-build-pve/) because i hate vMA but wanna try to do a few more runs while the double drop event is active.

But i'm confused how he's reaching the stats that he is. Unbuffed, in non WW form, he's sitting at 25k+ health and 30k+ stamina. He also has 2600+ weapon damage and 42% crit. While wearing all of the same gear, i'm only seeing 16k health, 24k stamina, 2100 weapon damage and 39% crit.
I feel like i'm following the guide but my stats are WAY off from where the guide says they should be. My build absolutely will not work in its current state, and i'm not sure what i'm doing wrong.

Not trying to knock on alcast at all but there is a build months ago before his that was easy flawless runs using WW on youtube. Alcast didn't give the original created of the build credit at all and just because alcast is more popular it instantly is his build. The original creators build was actually better using warband as his second set just saying.

MrBrownstone · August 2019

24k Stam is abnormally low. Are you sure your character is not hungry?

virtus753 · August 2019

A few things I can think of to check:

-Are you using the same food? (I think “unbuffed” here still means with food, just not weapon enchants/potions/set procs active)
-Same enchants on all the gear?
-Do you have all the passives, especially Undaunted & Heavy Armor?
-Gold weapons?
-Are you at least CP 300 with those points invested?
-Be sure to account for racial differences in comparing weapon damage (Orc gets an extra WD bonus, I think)

If you could post a Superstar screenshot, that might help us spot the differences too.

Swordbreaker · August 2019

virtus753 wrote: »

A few things I can think of to check:

-Are you using the same food? (I think “unbuffed” here still means with food, just not weapon enchants/potions/set procs active)
-Same enchants on all the gear?
-Do you have all the passives, especially Undaunted & Heavy Armor?
-Gold weapons?
-Are you at least CP 300 with those points invested?
-Be sure to account for racial differences in comparing weapon damage (Orc gets an extra WD bonus, I think)

If you could post a Superstar screenshot, that might help us spot the differences too.

I'm refering to his unbuffed state, so food shouldnt matter. Even still, food doesnt account for the massive difference, as the food he has only increases health and stamina by ~3k
All of the same enchants (stamina on everything)
All of the same gear
All of the same passives except for Undaunted i believe
Gold briarheart daggers and gold briarheart bow
508cp, all invested
Playing Khajiit, so the weapon damage is definitely lower.

Here's some screenshots of my character. It's not 100%, as i'm still missing the final passive with heavy armor and dont have undaunted on this character, but it seems pretty close, but my stats are WAY off

https://imgur.com/a/EHFXdRT

Chrlynsch · August 2019

Here are some things

#1 Use nirnhoned main hand, precise off hand
#2 his numbers are with food, both buffed and unbuffed
#3 you're a cat, you will have lower stat pool/ weapon damage.
#4 You are not max CP
#5 missing undaunted

Kel · August 2019

You're missing undaunted, armor passives, food and using a different race..all that matters.

When someone's talking about unbuffed stats, food is still always implied. Unbuffed just means no skill buffs have been applied.

In short, you're trying to compare a finished build to an unfinished build.
Really no mystery why your stats aren't matching...

Naftal · August 2019

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Swordbreaker wrote: »

I'm trying to follow Alcast's vMA werewolf build (https://alcasthq.com/eso-solo-stamina-werewolf-build-pve/) because i hate vMA but wanna try to do a few more runs while the double drop event is active.

But i'm confused how he's reaching the stats that he is. Unbuffed, in non WW form, he's sitting at 25k+ health and 30k+ stamina. He also has 2600+ weapon damage and 42% crit. While wearing all of the same gear, i'm only seeing 16k health, 24k stamina, 2100 weapon damage and 39% crit.
I feel like i'm following the guide but my stats are WAY off from where the guide says they should be. My build absolutely will not work in its current state, and i'm not sure what i'm doing wrong.

Not trying to knock on alcast at all but there is a build months ago before his that was easy flawless runs using WW on youtube. Alcast didn't give the original created of the build credit at all and just because alcast is more popular it instantly is his build. The original creators build was actually better using warband as his second set just saying.

So it's a different build that was posted before and not the same one?

Swordbreaker · August 2019

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Here are some things

#1 Use nirnhoned main hand, precise off hand
#2 his numbers are with food, both buffed and unbuffed
#3 you're a cat, you will have lower stat pool/ weapon damage.
#4 You are not max CP
#5 missing undaunted

Any advice on the next best choice to an orc? I care too much about the aesthetics of my characters to play a race as ugly as orcs. I know that's kinda dumb but "fashion-scrolls" is important to me. Redguard, Wood Elf and Dark Elf all look decent imo but i'm far from a min-maxer so i'm no expert.

The rest i can work on, tho the food and max CP are gonna be quite alot of work.

CynicK · August 2019

I have the same problem my stats are way lower than in builds and I was told two days ago that every champion point invested in a tree gives you an stat increase for the color of the tree red life etc. I wanted to try it yesterday with the spare points I have but I forgot so I am not sure but when i go to bg my stats are definitely lower.
That could be the problem.

idk · August 2019

Alcast is one of the nicest guys to play this game. He is good at replying to questions and I would suggest asking him directly. I am going to tag him and do not be surprised if he replies here or sends you a PM.

@Alcast

Nordic__Knights · August 2019

idk wrote: »

Alcast is one of the nicest guys to play this game. He is good at replying to questions and I would suggest asking him directly. I am going to tag him and do not be surprised if he replies here or sends you a PM.

@Alcast

He aint came here in over 3 years his channel more important then this place even as a class rep

MartiniDaniels · August 2019

Swordbreaker wrote: »

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Here are some things

#1 Use nirnhoned main hand, precise off hand
#2 his numbers are with food, both buffed and unbuffed
#3 you're a cat, you will have lower stat pool/ weapon damage.
#4 You are not max CP
#5 missing undaunted

Any advice on the next best choice to an orc? I care too much about the aesthetics of my characters to play a race as ugly as orcs. I know that's kinda dumb but "fashion-scrolls" is important to me. Redguard, Wood Elf and Dark Elf all look decent imo but i'm far from a min-maxer so i'm no expert.

The rest i can work on, tho the food and max CP are gonna be quite alot of work.

Try dunmer, this is literally orc without 1k HP but with extra mag magicka, which can be useful. Though my WW is bosmer and I absolutely loved that combo. But overall I'm not sure if WW is that good for VMA anymore. Massive nerf last patch, especially from VMA point of view. And after False god set appeared, running on magicka class is imo more reliable and overall pleasant. You have virtually endless sustain and permanent major expedition and all the utility.

cmvet · August 2019

Swordbreaker wrote: »

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Here are some things

#1 Use nirnhoned main hand, precise off hand
#2 his numbers are with food, both buffed and unbuffed
#3 you're a cat, you will have lower stat pool/ weapon damage.
#4 You are not max CP
#5 missing undaunted

Any advice on the next best choice to an orc? I care too much about the aesthetics of my characters to play a race as ugly as orcs. I know that's kinda dumb but "fashion-scrolls" is important to me. Redguard, Wood Elf and Dark Elf all look decent imo but i'm far from a min-maxer so i'm no expert.

The rest i can work on, tho the food and max CP are gonna be quite alot of work.

So currently, you should be able to run vMA on any race/class combo in werewolf form, you just need to make it easy on yourself gear wise. Hell, i have run it flawless in ww on an argonian warden. I have run a kahjit necro on a 2 death run. I do have a few tips out there ( click here ).

My Personal preference that makes it easy are either an orc/sorc or woodelf/dk but that is just me. Kahjit works great as well. Run 2 dps sets and a tanky set. I personally run relequen and Tzogvin, but you could easily run two others. I do also like running Mighty Chudans as a monster set to take advantage of the tankyness. Aim for about 22k health even if you need to drop a few attribute points into it. Also, tri-stat food is your friend.

Everything people mentioned above absolutely factor into it. 2-3% here and there makes a big difference when it is all added up. Werewolf dos make VMA easier, but you still need to know/learn the mechanics to limit the frustration you will have. If you want to hear a nun swear, make her run vMA. Don't get discouraged, you can do it.

idk · August 2019

Nordic__Knights wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Alcast is one of the nicest guys to play this game. He is good at replying to questions and I would suggest asking him directly. I am going to tag him and do not be surprised if he replies here or sends you a PM.

@Alcast

He aint came here in over 3 years his channel more important then this place even as a class rep

When you make a comment like this it is best to be either correct or not so easily disproved. LOL His last visit to the forums was yesterday for starters.

This is probably one of his more entertaining post made just this month. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6256053/#Comment_6256053

And here is a post a couple days ago from Alcast concerning class reps. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6274758/#Comment_6274758

He is here quit often. Just posts when he has something to add to a worthy thread. BTW, he has last here yestre

Alcast · August 2019

Swordbreaker wrote: »

I'm trying to follow Alcast's vMA werewolf build (https://alcasthq.com/eso-solo-stamina-werewolf-build-pve/) because i hate vMA but wanna try to do a few more runs while the double drop event is active.

But i'm confused how he's reaching the stats that he is. Unbuffed, in non WW form, he's sitting at 25k+ health and 30k+ stamina. He also has 2600+ weapon damage and 42% crit. While wearing all of the same gear, i'm only seeing 16k health, 24k stamina, 2100 weapon damage and 39% crit.
I feel like i'm following the guide but my stats are WAY off from where the guide says they should be. My build absolutely will not work in its current state, and i'm not sure what i'm doing wrong.

@Swordbreaker
The unbuffed stats are with buff food. I consider buff food as a base for all setups. I will add that to the note later as it seems to confuse people. You should be able to get pretty close to my stat setup if you do everything correctly.

Do you have the right enchants?
What is your CP level?
What Jewelry Enchants do you have?
Do you have two daggers?
Are your weapons gold?
Do you have all passives that I listed? Dual WIeld Dagger Passives give 10% extra crit in human form

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Swordbreaker wrote: »

I'm trying to follow Alcast's vMA werewolf build (https://alcasthq.com/eso-solo-stamina-werewolf-build-pve/) because i hate vMA but wanna try to do a few more runs while the double drop event is active.

But i'm confused how he's reaching the stats that he is. Unbuffed, in non WW form, he's sitting at 25k+ health and 30k+ stamina. He also has 2600+ weapon damage and 42% crit. While wearing all of the same gear, i'm only seeing 16k health, 24k stamina, 2100 weapon damage and 39% crit.
I feel like i'm following the guide but my stats are WAY off from where the guide says they should be. My build absolutely will not work in its current state, and i'm not sure what i'm doing wrong.

Not trying to knock on alcast at all but there is a build months ago before his that was easy flawless runs using WW on youtube. Alcast didn't give the original created of the build credit at all and just because alcast is more popular it instantly is his build. The original creators build was actually better using warband as his second set just saying.

The reason I am using these sets is because they all drop from the base game, I tried avoiding sets that come from other DLC because often people don't have them.

When Maelstrom came out, I did the Worlds first stamina clear on a werewolf actually, by that logic it would mean everyone that ran a werewolf build after that copied my build? j/k I get what you are saying.

Nordic__Knights wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Alcast is one of the nicest guys to play this game. He is good at replying to questions and I would suggest asking him directly. I am going to tag him and do not be surprised if he replies here or sends you a PM.

@Alcast

He aint came here in over 3 years his channel more important then this place even as a class rep

Hey, I am here.

CynicK wrote: »

I have the same problem my stats are way lower than in builds and I was told two days ago that every champion point invested in a tree gives you an stat increase for the color of the tree red life etc. I wanted to try it yesterday with the spare points I have but I forgot so I am not sure but when i go to bg my stats are definitely lower.
That could be the problem.

Up to 300 Champion Points, every point you spend will increase your stats, after 300 not anymore. In the Champion Points Beginner Guide that is mentioned in the resource section.

Lisutaris · August 2019

Swordbreaker wrote: »

I'm trying to follow Alcast's vMA werewolf build (https://alcasthq.com/eso-solo-stamina-werewolf-build-pve/) because i hate vMA but wanna try to do a few more runs while the double drop event is active.

But i'm confused how he's reaching the stats that he is. Unbuffed, in non WW form, he's sitting at 25k+ health and 30k+ stamina. He also has 2600+ weapon damage and 42% crit. While wearing all of the same gear, i'm only seeing 16k health, 24k stamina, 2100 weapon damage and 39% crit.
I feel like i'm following the guide but my stats are WAY off from where the guide says they should be. My build absolutely will not work in its current state, and i'm not sure what i'm doing wrong.

ww got nerfed very hard with scalebreaker (#furbreaker, #fangbreaker, #lilpuppyinsteadofww)... would not recommend it .... tbh.

Aztlan · August 2019

I've done vMA on WW both before and after Scalebreaker and it works well. A little bit harder now, but it's still fine. The high resistances and health regen from Mighty Chudan and Alessian Order allows you to make a few mistakes while still having enough damage to kill everything. I combined the above sets with Nightmothers Gaze and took the morph of fear that grants off-balance. Doing heavy attacks on off-balance targets returns a lot of resources.

Katahdin · August 2019

Lisutaris wrote: »

Swordbreaker wrote: »

I'm trying to follow Alcast's vMA werewolf build (https://alcasthq.com/eso-solo-stamina-werewolf-build-pve/) because i hate vMA but wanna try to do a few more runs while the double drop event is active.

But i'm confused how he's reaching the stats that he is. Unbuffed, in non WW form, he's sitting at 25k+ health and 30k+ stamina. He also has 2600+ weapon damage and 42% crit. While wearing all of the same gear, i'm only seeing 16k health, 24k stamina, 2100 weapon damage and 39% crit.
I feel like i'm following the guide but my stats are WAY off from where the guide says they should be. My build absolutely will not work in its current state, and i'm not sure what i'm doing wrong.

ww got nerfed very hard with scalebreaker (#furbreaker, #fangbreaker, #lilpuppyinsteadofww)... would not recommend it .... tbh.

I've been running vMA on my WW almost every day since the patch dropped. Had a flawless run going until I got to stage 7...lol
I would absolutely recommend running it on WW since scalebreaker. Just need to make some adjustments

cmvet · August 2019

Katahdin wrote: »

Lisutaris wrote: »

Swordbreaker wrote: »

I'm trying to follow Alcast's vMA werewolf build (https://alcasthq.com/eso-solo-stamina-werewolf-build-pve/) because i hate vMA but wanna try to do a few more runs while the double drop event is active.

But i'm confused how he's reaching the stats that he is. Unbuffed, in non WW form, he's sitting at 25k+ health and 30k+ stamina. He also has 2600+ weapon damage and 42% crit. While wearing all of the same gear, i'm only seeing 16k health, 24k stamina, 2100 weapon damage and 39% crit.
I feel like i'm following the guide but my stats are WAY off from where the guide says they should be. My build absolutely will not work in its current state, and i'm not sure what i'm doing wrong.

ww got nerfed very hard with scalebreaker (#furbreaker, #fangbreaker, #lilpuppyinsteadofww)... would not recommend it .... tbh.

I've been running vMA on my WW almost every day since the patch dropped. Had a flawless run going until I got to stage 7...lol
I would absolutely recommend running it on WW since scalebreaker. Just need to make some adjustments

On pts? Cause the patch doesn't drop until the 27th. Why would you run it so many times on pts? I think my biggest issue is the fact that direwolves will no long pull some agro for you and your dps is so significantly less with pack leader. Its going to force everyone to run berserker morph. I'm sure I will tweak build for that, but not sure it will be as good as it currently is, thus making it more worthwhile to play my non-ww builds.

Aztlan · August 2019

The patch has been live on PC since 8/12.

Berserker works fine. You don't need the pets in there.

ihazzit · August 2019

This has good info about the ww vma build:

https://reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/coclm4/updated_for_scalebreaker_simple_and_easy_to_gear/

Katahdin · August 2019

cmvet wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Lisutaris wrote: »

Swordbreaker wrote: »

I'm trying to follow Alcast's vMA werewolf build (https://alcasthq.com/eso-solo-stamina-werewolf-build-pve/) because i hate vMA but wanna try to do a few more runs while the double drop event is active.

But i'm confused how he's reaching the stats that he is. Unbuffed, in non WW form, he's sitting at 25k+ health and 30k+ stamina. He also has 2600+ weapon damage and 42% crit. While wearing all of the same gear, i'm only seeing 16k health, 24k stamina, 2100 weapon damage and 39% crit.
I feel like i'm following the guide but my stats are WAY off from where the guide says they should be. My build absolutely will not work in its current state, and i'm not sure what i'm doing wrong.

ww got nerfed very hard with scalebreaker (#furbreaker, #fangbreaker, #lilpuppyinsteadofww)... would not recommend it .... tbh.

I've been running vMA on my WW almost every day since the patch dropped. Had a flawless run going until I got to stage 7...lol
I would absolutely recommend running it on WW since scalebreaker. Just need to make some adjustments

On pts? Cause the patch doesn't drop until the 27th. Why would you run it so many times on pts? I think my biggest issue is the fact that direwolves will no long pull some agro for you and your dps is so significantly less with pack leader. Its going to force everyone to run berserker morph. I'm sure I will tweak build for that, but not sure it will be as good as it currently is, thus making it more worthwhile to play my non-ww builds.

The patch dropped last monday 8/12. Been running it for the double drops for the event.
I have always used the berserker morph. The berserker morph should do more damage than the pack leader one which is why pack leader was nerfed. Though I believe they could have not nerfed it so hard honestly so that people could still use it but have it do less damage than the berserker. WW is still easier than non WW in my experience.

Lord_Eomer · August 2019

Katahdin wrote: »

cmvet wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Lisutaris wrote: »

Swordbreaker wrote: »

I'm trying to follow Alcast's vMA werewolf build (https://alcasthq.com/eso-solo-stamina-werewolf-build-pve/) because i hate vMA but wanna try to do a few more runs while the double drop event is active.

But i'm confused how he's reaching the stats that he is. Unbuffed, in non WW form, he's sitting at 25k+ health and 30k+ stamina. He also has 2600+ weapon damage and 42% crit. While wearing all of the same gear, i'm only seeing 16k health, 24k stamina, 2100 weapon damage and 39% crit.
I feel like i'm following the guide but my stats are WAY off from where the guide says they should be. My build absolutely will not work in its current state, and i'm not sure what i'm doing wrong.

ww got nerfed very hard with scalebreaker (#furbreaker, #fangbreaker, #lilpuppyinsteadofww)... would not recommend it .... tbh.

I've been running vMA on my WW almost every day since the patch dropped. Had a flawless run going until I got to stage 7...lol
I would absolutely recommend running it on WW since scalebreaker. Just need to make some adjustments

On pts? Cause the patch doesn't drop until the 27th. Why would you run it so many times on pts? I think my biggest issue is the fact that direwolves will no long pull some agro for you and your dps is so significantly less with pack leader. Its going to force everyone to run berserker morph. I'm sure I will tweak build for that, but not sure it will be as good as it currently is, thus making it more worthwhile to play my non-ww builds.

The patch dropped last monday 8/12. Been running it for the double drops for the event.
I have always used the berserker morph. The berserker morph should do more damage than the pack leader one which is why pack leader was nerfed. Though I believe they could have not nerfed it so hard honestly so that people could still use it but have it do less damage than the berserker. WW is still easier than non WW in my experience.

He is talking about Console

idk · August 2019

@Swordbreaker

Hope Alcasts reply above helps answer your questions. As I said, he takes time to help others. One of the nicest guys in game.

D0PAMINE · August 2019

idk wrote: »

@Swordbreaker

Hope Alcasts reply above helps answer your questions. As I said, he takes time to help others. One of the nicest guys in game.

Agreed. Both him and Woeler are very helpful to the community.

idk · August 2019

D0PAMINE wrote: »

idk wrote: »

@Swordbreaker

Hope Alcasts reply above helps answer your questions. As I said, he takes time to help others. One of the nicest guys in game.

Agreed. Both him and Woeler are very helpful to the community.

Very true.

Lisutaris · August 2019

Swordbreaker wrote: »

I'm trying to follow Alcast's vMA werewolf build (https://alcasthq.com/eso-solo-stamina-werewolf-build-pve/) because i hate vMA but wanna try to do a few more runs while the double drop event is active.

But i'm confused how he's reaching the stats that he is. Unbuffed, in non WW form, he's sitting at 25k+ health and 30k+ stamina. He also has 2600+ weapon damage and 42% crit. While wearing all of the same gear, i'm only seeing 16k health, 24k stamina, 2100 weapon damage and 39% crit.
I feel like i'm following the guide but my stats are WAY off from where the guide says they should be. My build absolutely will not work in its current state, and i'm not sure what i'm doing wrong.

ww with scalebreaker got nerfed very hard... would not recommend it .... tbh.

Katahdin wrote: »

Lisutaris wrote: »

Swordbreaker wrote: »

I'm trying to follow Alcast's vMA werewolf build (https://alcasthq.com/eso-solo-stamina-werewolf-build-pve/) because i hate vMA but wanna try to do a few more runs while the double drop event is active.

But i'm confused how he's reaching the stats that he is. Unbuffed, in non WW form, he's sitting at 25k+ health and 30k+ stamina. He also has 2600+ weapon damage and 42% crit. While wearing all of the same gear, i'm only seeing 16k health, 24k stamina, 2100 weapon damage and 39% crit.
I feel like i'm following the guide but my stats are WAY off from where the guide says they should be. My build absolutely will not work in its current state, and i'm not sure what i'm doing wrong.

ww got nerfed very hard with scalebreaker (#furbreaker, #fangbreaker, #lilpuppyinsteadofww)... would not recommend it .... tbh.

I've been running vMA on my WW almost every day since the patch dropped. Had a flawless run going until I got to stage 7...lol
I would absolutely recommend running it on WW since scalebreaker. Just need to make some adjustments

I did not say that it is not possible. By all means, you can do it fine as a ww.
Still, without ww you can be more effective. Therefore i don't see many benefits. But that is only my pov