ANGEL_BtVS wrote: »Malem_Benign wrote: »Hi,
Just to put my few words on the latest changes for the Indrik grinding process.
Don't know exactly what was the motivation to limit the quantity of extra feathers/berries disguising it under the usability, but for me it equals in less motivation to participate in event tickets grind. Actually the motivation is zero.
Just to make you know.
Which is just fine with ZOS because it means you will be participating in future events that you wouldn't if you had max feathers and berries. I'm sure this is why they did it.
Actually, it means less participation. If you have 2 berries, the base indrik morph, and 4 feathers for the next morph and 12 tickets, the next event will mean that you can buy the 3rd berry, build up 5 days worth of tickets to hit the cap again, and then do nothing else because you cannot buy any more feathers. A player who would have participated in 14 days of an event now only has incentive to participate in 5.
Exactly this. I have all 4 feathers, a Nascent, and both berries. Next event is only the 3rd in a 4-event set so I won't be able to evolve my Nascent and start collecting feathers again. The indrik pet only comes out during the final event of the quarter so that's not an option. And I refuse to use my tickets on things I can make/farm/buy in-game.
I've even missed days (I hated CWC so I did enough last year to only get the feather I needed and no extra tickets) and then was out of town and missed 3 days (6 tickets) at the tail end of the last event. Which was the entire point, I thought, of being able to buy extra feathers. By allowing us to purchase additional feathers, we were able to give ourselves a little breathing room if we did end up needing to miss some days, especially since the last event does have the indrik pet which is exclusive to tickets as well so in event 4, you usually need 20 tickets if you want both the final berry and the pet.
Without being able to contribute towards my final base Nascent, what point do I have in participating in the event? That just becomes tickets that disappear into the ether.
ANGEL_BtVS wrote: »ANGEL_BtVS wrote: »Malem_Benign wrote: »Hi,
Just to put my few words on the latest changes for the Indrik grinding process.
Don't know exactly what was the motivation to limit the quantity of extra feathers/berries disguising it under the usability, but for me it equals in less motivation to participate in event tickets grind. Actually the motivation is zero.
Just to make you know.
Which is just fine with ZOS because it means you will be participating in future events that you wouldn't if you had max feathers and berries. I'm sure this is why they did it.
Actually, it means less participation. If you have 2 berries, the base indrik morph, and 4 feathers for the next morph and 12 tickets, the next event will mean that you can buy the 3rd berry, build up 5 days worth of tickets to hit the cap again, and then do nothing else because you cannot buy any more feathers. A player who would have participated in 14 days of an event now only has incentive to participate in 5.
You just supported my argument. You are still participating, even if it's not for the full event. But others who aren't caught up are also participating. ZOS has also started adding style pages and furnishing recipes which means more people participating. People just looking for feathers and berries will be FORCED to continue to participate in future events because you weren't able to cap out on a previous event.
Dragonnord wrote: »Malem_Benign wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »What you mean? So you want to stack 3 feathers of the same type? How is that possible?
Because once you have all 4 feathers you create a Nascent Indrik (no need to not create the Nascent - and so you are back to 0 feathers), then you need 40 tickets to get all 4 feathers again, and in between of that farming, you have berries to buy, pets, etc.
How can you possible stack 2 or 3 feathers of the same type?
You could have several extra feather sets to use for making indriks. That was removed.
No way dude! You need to buy berries and pets too. No way you can stack Nascent Indriks.
Besides, why you want to stack Nascent Indriks for? How do you know more Indrik mounts are coming after Pure-Snow (the fourth and last one).
Why would anyone want to stack Nascent Indriks without knowing what's coming next after the Pure-Snow Indrik?
What if you stack Indriks and after Pure-Snow a new mount season starts that is not created with feathers nor with Nascent Indriks?
What you going to do? Open a ticket with: "ZOS! You scammed me! I stacked Indriks and now the new mount can't be created using the Nascent!".
Stop complaining for the sake of complaining.
No one is doing that. There are a total of 5 mounts. The 4 that are morphed from the berries and the base mount. People are trying to make sure they have enough feathers for the base mount at the end.
ANGEL_BtVS wrote: »ANGEL_BtVS wrote: »Malem_Benign wrote: »Hi,
Just to put my few words on the latest changes for the Indrik grinding process.
Don't know exactly what was the motivation to limit the quantity of extra feathers/berries disguising it under the usability, but for me it equals in less motivation to participate in event tickets grind. Actually the motivation is zero.
Just to make you know.
Which is just fine with ZOS because it means you will be participating in future events that you wouldn't if you had max feathers and berries. I'm sure this is why they did it.
Actually, it means less participation. If you have 2 berries, the base indrik morph, and 4 feathers for the next morph and 12 tickets, the next event will mean that you can buy the 3rd berry, build up 5 days worth of tickets to hit the cap again, and then do nothing else because you cannot buy any more feathers. A player who would have participated in 14 days of an event now only has incentive to participate in 5.
Exactly this. I have all 4 feathers, a Nascent, and both berries. Next event is only the 3rd in a 4-event set so I won't be able to evolve my Nascent and start collecting feathers again. The indrik pet only comes out during the final event of the quarter so that's not an option. And I refuse to use my tickets on things I can make/farm/buy in-game.
I've even missed days (I hated CWC so I did enough last year to only get the feather I needed and no extra tickets) and then was out of town and missed 3 days (6 tickets) at the tail end of the last event. Which was the entire point, I thought, of being able to buy extra feathers. By allowing us to purchase additional feathers, we were able to give ourselves a little breathing room if we did end up needing to miss some days, especially since the last event does have the indrik pet which is exclusive to tickets as well so in event 4, you usually need 20 tickets if you want both the final berry and the pet.
Without being able to contribute towards my final base Nascent, what point do I have in participating in the event? That just becomes tickets that disappear into the ether.
You just explained exactly why ZOS made the change. So you can't stack all your feathers and tickets and skip out on all the future events. ZOS wants people participating in events, including future events. Yeah, you aren't in the current event daily but you and everyone else were in it at different points throughout the event.
Guys there will be plenty of opportunity to get more feathers if you want all 5 indricks.
I have not bought ant tickets from the crown store, only got tickets ftom events.
I have the first two indricks (blue and yellow). I have a nacent for the black and all four feathers for the white.
At some point they will have a black indrik pet so you might want tickets for that.
Once you evolve the black one, you make the new nacent and you should be able to start getting feathers again.
Every event has been giving at least 20 tickets so you should be able to get enough for the berries and the nacent. Remember there will be a white pet too.
By the end of this event, I'll have enough for the next berry and I'm thrilled to not have to stay up til 2AM on Monday morning for the last ones.
ANGEL_BtVS wrote: »ANGEL_BtVS wrote: »Malem_Benign wrote: »Hi,
Just to put my few words on the latest changes for the Indrik grinding process.
Don't know exactly what was the motivation to limit the quantity of extra feathers/berries disguising it under the usability, but for me it equals in less motivation to participate in event tickets grind. Actually the motivation is zero.
Just to make you know.
Which is just fine with ZOS because it means you will be participating in future events that you wouldn't if you had max feathers and berries. I'm sure this is why they did it.
Actually, it means less participation. If you have 2 berries, the base indrik morph, and 4 feathers for the next morph and 12 tickets, the next event will mean that you can buy the 3rd berry, build up 5 days worth of tickets to hit the cap again, and then do nothing else because you cannot buy any more feathers. A player who would have participated in 14 days of an event now only has incentive to participate in 5.
Exactly this. I have all 4 feathers, a Nascent, and both berries. Next event is only the 3rd in a 4-event set so I won't be able to evolve my Nascent and start collecting feathers again. The indrik pet only comes out during the final event of the quarter so that's not an option. And I refuse to use my tickets on things I can make/farm/buy in-game.
I've even missed days (I hated CWC so I did enough last year to only get the feather I needed and no extra tickets) and then was out of town and missed 3 days (6 tickets) at the tail end of the last event. Which was the entire point, I thought, of being able to buy extra feathers. By allowing us to purchase additional feathers, we were able to give ourselves a little breathing room if we did end up needing to miss some days, especially since the last event does have the indrik pet which is exclusive to tickets as well so in event 4, you usually need 20 tickets if you want both the final berry and the pet.
Without being able to contribute towards my final base Nascent, what point do I have in participating in the event? That just becomes tickets that disappear into the ether.
You just explained exactly why ZOS made the change. So you can't stack all your feathers and tickets and skip out on all the future events. ZOS wants people participating in events, including future events. Yeah, you aren't in the current event daily but you and everyone else were in it at different points throughout the event.
StabbityDoom wrote: »Dusk_Coven wrote: »StabbityDoom wrote: »can't you make a nascent indrik and collect four more feathers?
What if you have a Nascent, AND have 4 feathers ready to go for another Nascent. If that's even possible.
Not everyone wants anything else from the event ticket store -- especially furnishings they can make themselves.
Wait, can't you just use a berry then?
StabbityDoom wrote: »Dusk_Coven wrote: »StabbityDoom wrote: »can't you make a nascent indrik and collect four more feathers?
What if you have a Nascent, AND have 4 feathers ready to go for another Nascent. If that's even possible.
Not everyone wants anything else from the event ticket store -- especially furnishings they can make themselves.
Wait, can't you just use a berry then?
No, unless you benefited from the exploit that was available for the first few hours for the first Onyx Berry, it takes 4 different berries of the same color to morph the Nascent. So those of us with the Dawnwood, Luminous, Nascent, and 4 feathers can’t buy any more feathers until the last event of the quarter arrives with the final Onyx Berry.
You could buy multiple similar feathers earlier to get ahead. I had 5 feather and an Nascent at end of Q2 I think.Dragonnord wrote: »What you mean? So you want to stack 3 feathers of the same type? How is that possible?
Because once you have all 4 feathers you create a Nascent Indrik (no need to not create the Nascent - and so you are back to 0 feathers), then you need 40 tickets to get all 4 feathers again, and in between of that farming, you have berries to buy, pets, etc.
How can you possible stack 2 or 3 feathers of the same type?
Dragonnord wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »Malem_Benign wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »What you mean? So you want to stack 3 feathers of the same type? How is that possible?
Because once you have all 4 feathers you create a Nascent Indrik (no need to not create the Nascent - and so you are back to 0 feathers), then you need 40 tickets to get all 4 feathers again, and in between of that farming, you have berries to buy, pets, etc.
How can you possible stack 2 or 3 feathers of the same type?
You could have several extra feather sets to use for making indriks. That was removed.
No way dude! You need to buy berries and pets too. No way you can stack Nascent Indriks.
Besides, why you want to stack Nascent Indriks for? How do you know more Indrik mounts are coming after Pure-Snow (the fourth and last one).
Why would anyone want to stack Nascent Indriks without knowing what's coming next after the Pure-Snow Indrik?
What if you stack Indriks and after Pure-Snow a new mount season starts that is not created with feathers nor with Nascent Indriks?
What you going to do? Open a ticket with: "ZOS! You scammed me! I stacked Indriks and now the new mount can't be created using the Nascent!".
Stop complaining for the sake of complaining.
No one is doing that. There are a total of 5 mounts. The 4 that are morphed from the berries and the base mount. People are trying to make sure they have enough feathers for the base mount at the end.
With the stuff I have now, I'm 100% sure I will get the last mount and I'm not stacking Indriks nor feathers.
ZOS wouldn't realese something nor do anything if that would prevent people from getting those somethings.
People are complaining because they're trying to predict the future before it happens.
PS: I don't think Nascent and feathers will be needed again after Pure-Snow.
rotaugen454 wrote: »The update showed me I had two Onyx Berries of Budding, which is a waste since I can only make one Onyx mount. I opened two tickets to have them turn one into the missing Onyx Berries of Blooming, as customer support said in another thread that opening a ticket would get it fixed. Still waiting to get a response. I am at least glad the system won't let you buy a berry that you can never use.
StabbityDoom wrote: »can't you make a nascent indrik and collect four more feathers?
Guys there will be plenty of opportunity to get more feathers if you want all 5 indricks.
I have not bought ant tickets from the crown store, only got tickets ftom events.
I have the first two indricks (blue and yellow). I have a nacent for the black and all four feathers for the white.
At some point they will have a black indrik pet so you might want tickets for that.
Once you evolve the black one, you make the new nacent and you should be able to start getting feathers again.
Every event has been giving at least 20 tickets so you should be able to get enough for the berries and the nacent. Remember there will be a white pet too.
By the end of this event, I'll have enough for the next berry and I'm thrilled to not have to stay up til 2AM on Monday morning for the last ones.
The point is that for event #3 in Q3 (whatever comes after Orsinium), people with 4 feathers, a base Indrik, and all current berries will have zero reason to participate once their tickets are filled back to 12/12 again. Excluding the ticket-only indrik pet in event #4, all events that have had additional purchasable items have been items that could be earned through doing in-game activities (Cadwell weapons and companion style pages, vMA style pages) or craftable in game (Orc furniture). Why would you spend your tickets on those?
Better to just do something else with your time rather than participate and watch the tickets you earn disappear because of the absurdly low cap.
StabbityDoom wrote: »can't you make a nascent indrik and collect four more feathers?
Yes you can... if you don't already have that mount. For instance I already have a Nascent Indrik that will be used to evolve as Onyx. I had 4 feathers ready for a new Nascent to be evolved as Pure-Snow and I had already 3 feathers to get yet another Nascent that I would have kept this way in order to get 5 mounts in the end, base + 4 evolutions.
Today I have 4 feathers that were added to my collection and the 3 extra are lost. Getting 4 more feathers ahead would have avoided the concern of having enough of them to get all 5 mounts. Now I have no idea if we are going to get enough of them to obtain a last Nascent.
Taleof2Cities wrote: »Many forum-goers here are disguising their disdain for the change in feathers / berries ... by saying there will not be an opportunity to get enough tickets for the remaining mounts.
How can you be sure there will not be enough tickets in the future events ... when ZOS hasn’t even announced what the events are and tickets per day?
Dragonnord wrote: »
No way dude! You need to buy berries and pets too. No way you can stack Nascent Indriks.
Taleof2Cities wrote: »Many forum-goers here are disguising their disdain for the change in feathers / berries ... by saying there will not be an opportunity to get enough tickets for the remaining mounts.
How can you be sure there will not be enough tickets in the future events ... when ZOS hasn’t even announced what the events are and tickets per day?
I just wish I knew what the next event would be. I will hit 12 tickets tomorrow, and then must decide between buying a third feather and then doing a WB on Sunday to get 2 more tickets, or skipping that and holding onto my 12 tickets so I can get the third berry right away and not fret too much about tickets if it's an event I can't really bring myself to do, eg a pure PvP one.
I just wish I knew what the next event would be. I will hit 12 tickets tomorrow, and then must decide between buying a third feather and then doing a WB on Sunday to get 2 more tickets, or skipping that and holding onto my 12 tickets so I can get the third berry right away and not fret too much about tickets if it's an event I can't really bring myself to do, eg a pure PvP one.
This event you get tickets for either doing a world boss quest or a delve. You can also do the quest prior to the daily reset, not hand it in, then turn in after the reset for instant tickets.
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