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Ultimate feinting
citats
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So ultimate feinting is a thing now. I was playing on a magicka character in nocp cyrodiil and ended up in a 1v1 against a player using the 2H ultimate. The player kept feinting (casting and cancelling) his ultimate to make me waste my stamina trying to dodge roll it (I was on a non-ward build). Once I couldn't dodge roll it anymore, he knew it would land and instantly killed me with his combo.
Feinting costs nothing, and can be quite costly in resources against many reactive-type builds.
I think this is a problem.
Feinting costs nothing, and can be quite costly in resources against many reactive-type builds.
I think this is a problem.
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Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭So ultimate feinting is a thing now. I was playing on a magicka character in nocp cyrodiil and ended up in a 1v1 against a player using the 2H ultimate. The player kept feinting (casting and cancelling) his ultimate to make me waste my stamina trying to dodge roll it (I was on a non-ward build). Once I couldn't dodge roll it anymore, he knew it would land and instantly killed me with his combo.
Feinting costs nothing, and can be quite costly in resources against many reactive-type builds.
I think this is a problem.
it was advised in the new patch notes. With a cast time now you can cancel the ulti. IMHO it's OKSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique10 -
Abhaya✭✭✭✭Most people (as far as I can tell) don't want the cast time on ultimates and strongly suggested having them removed before Scalebreaker went live. This is a consequence of those changes. Now instead of being able to animation cancel ultimates we get to play whack a mole.Abhaya - PC NA - Ebonheart Pact
Stam Sorc 2-Hand / Bow Build: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=1691034 -
citats✭✭✭Maybe try block rather than dodge - that was it costs you nothing if he cancels.
I dueled this person a couple more times and also tried blocking the burst. It was still enough damage to kill me instantly as my build is very squishy and reactive. Dodge rolling was the only option i had to prolong the fight. Perhaps I just need to use wards for my build to be viable... as more hp would just make the 2H ult do even more damage.... Build diversity huh.3 -
Insco851✭✭✭✭✭
✭I once said in another thread....
Future nerf thread:
“Dear Zos... I recently had a 1v1 with a more skilled opponent that eventually killed me. He kept Feinting his ultimate and I would react and dodge roll away. I COULDNT TELL WHEN HE WOULD ACTUALLY USE IT! Please ban this player because they used strategy to eventually get the ultimate to land. I think he was using a macro to feint the dawny even! Please nerf, my stamina bar depends on it”
@exeeter702 can you believe it? Lol9 -
exeeter702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I once said in another thread....
Future nerf thread:
“Dear Zos... I recently had a 1v1 with a more skilled opponent that eventually killed me. He kept Feinting his ultimate and I would react and dodge roll away. I COULDNT TELL WHEN HE WOULD ACTUALLY USE IT! Please ban this player because they used strategy to eventually get the ultimate to land. I think he was using a macro to feint the dawny even! Please nerf, my stamina bar depends on it”
@exeeter702 can you believe it? Lol
*** priceless man lol...2 -
Abhaya✭✭✭✭I once said in another thread....
Future nerf thread:
“Dear Zos... I recently had a 1v1 with a more skilled opponent that eventually killed me. He kept Feinting his ultimate and I would react and dodge roll away. I COULDNT TELL WHEN HE WOULD ACTUALLY USE IT! Please ban this player because they used strategy to eventually get the ultimate to land. I think he was using a macro to feint the dawny even! Please nerf, my stamina bar depends on it”
@exeeter702 can you believe it? Lol
This is beautiful. They added cast times so that people could better react but now all people are going to get is this. *insert dave chappell psyche meme* Atleast before there was no going back once you hit that button. A cast was a cast which is how it should be.Abhaya - PC NA - Ebonheart Pact
Stam Sorc 2-Hand / Bow Build: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=1691034 -
Koolio✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I once said in another thread....
Future nerf thread:
“Dear Zos... I recently had a 1v1 with a more skilled opponent that eventually killed me. He kept Feinting his ultimate and I would react and dodge roll away. I COULDNT TELL WHEN HE WOULD ACTUALLY USE IT! Please ban this player because they used strategy to eventually get the ultimate to land. I think he was using a macro to feint the dawny even! Please nerf, my stamina bar depends on it”
@exeeter702 can you believe it? Lol
I read that and thought this post was made by you. Lol.Edited by Koolio on August 14, 2019 10:10PM1 -
citats✭✭✭I guess I just think that squishy builds should be rewarded for reactively dodging an ultimate that could otherwise kill them, and should not be forced into using a ward (in the case of light armor), or forced into unnecessary dodge rolls (in the case of medium armor) just to accommodate for the feinting mechanic.1
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MisterBigglesworth✭✭✭✭✭
✭This could be brilliant in a different context, one where so many mechanics had not already been removed.
Example: imagine a DK sees you casting Meteor, so they cast Protective Scale (because in my imaginary scenario, the game still has interesting mechanics like Wings reflecting Meteor) so you cancel Meteor, wait a few seconds, re-cast, and hit the DK for full damage right as their wings wear off.Really we do it without like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical: the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth. Right? The brain, more important than the mouth, is the brain. The brain is much more important.0 -
GeorgeBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭This is a true able combatant.
Not animation cancelling. AC can be learned with 20min practiceEdited by GeorgeBlack on August 15, 2019 7:26AM3 -
Fur_like_snow✭✭✭✭✭
✭Most people didn’t want the added cast time change now this is the result. Enjoy the new feature!1 -
EmEm_Oh✭✭✭✭✭So ultimate feinting is a thing now. I was playing on a magicka character in nocp cyrodiil and ended up in a 1v1 against a player using the 2H ultimate. The player kept feinting (casting and cancelling) his ultimate to make me waste my stamina trying to dodge roll it (I was on a non-ward build). Once I couldn't dodge roll it anymore, he knew it would land and instantly killed me with his combo.
Feinting costs nothing, and can be quite costly in resources against many reactive-type builds.
I think this is a problem.
You knew he was doing it.
You didn't know how to counter.
Your opponent is doing nothing wrong.
You should learn how to retort...maybe stop advertising your moves.
Edited by EmEm_Oh on August 15, 2019 10:53AM3 -
SidraWillowsky✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Is it not possible to come up with a combat system that involves NOT having these stupid "skills"... exist?1 -
Royalthought✭✭✭✭✭Ults dont have cast times.
"I lost because high burst shouldn't be so fast"
Ults have cast times
"I lost because cast times make ults feintable"
Perhaps ZoS should stop trying to find ways to make better players lose fights.
It's ruining the game.Fast pace combat was why I liked it in the first place.8 -
Gatdangmayne✭✭✭✭Yeah ult cast time is pretty much the worst change ive been around for.
It's rarely an ult that is the "wtf killed me" moment, usually its sorcs spamming crystal blast.
Nerf sorc2 -
NBrookus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I don't see the problem. The player adapted to the cast times and used them strategically.8 -
JumpmanLane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If anything the dude probably wasn’t feinting, he was probably canceling his ulti just animation canceling out of habit. Probably, it was unintentional on his part. Cast times screwed up his burst combo and he was probably happy you kept dodging.6 -
Urusovite✭✭✭Lol, y'all wanted cast times and you got it. Hope it gets you killed 1000x more. This is absolutely comical!PS4 NA
Medium Stam Dk since launch
Technologically incompetent I'm told
Solo play is the only way3 -
brandonv516✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Actually pretty smart gameplay by your enemy considering these idiotic changes.4 -
yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.1 -
DocFrost72✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭GeorgeBlack wrote: »This is a true able combatant.
Not animation cancelling. AC can be learned with 20min practice
He was canceling the animation of his ability in order to feint.
The ultimate irony here is that you still have to learn to animation cancel in order to feint, to adjust to changes aimed at stopping animation canceling preventing people from reliably reacting to ultimates.
We've hit inception.6 -
JumpmanLane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DocFrost72 wrote: »GeorgeBlack wrote: »This is a true able combatant.
Not animation cancelling. AC can be learned with 20min practice
He was canceling the animation of his ability in order to feint.
The ultimate irony here is that you still have to learn to animation cancel in order to feint, to adjust to changes aimed at stopping animation canceling preventing people from reliably reacting to ultimates.
We've hit inception.
feinting. i unno, seems specious, because if he doesn't ulti when he normally would, his burst window, he aint gonna kill me lol.I'm telling you, he probably been ani cancelling so long its habit. it just didn't go off be cause he blocked or barswapped. his timings off. Everything you die to aint some new 'horror meta" zos needs to nerf.
Dude needs to time his ulti with the horrid cast time now, and you need to managae your stam better op.1 -
Protossyder✭✭✭✭Crybabies like OP should play Shakes and Fidget instead. Apparently that is the kind of combat system they want.Characters worth mentioning:Daedrós - Magicka DK - Altmer - PvE & PvP - Emperor - IR - GH - TTTArenas: vDSA (~46k) - vMA (~586k)
Dragybor - Stamblade - Redguard - PvE (first char)
Yondaime Raikage - Stamsorc - Redguard - PvP
Zerg Overmind - Magblade - Altmer - PvE - GH
Yenari - Magsorc - Altmer - PvE - Flawless Conqueror
Devoured-his-siblings - DK Tank - Argonian - PvE - Unchained
Valkyrja Valhalla - StamDK - Redguard - PvE
Hyperion der Obere - Magplar - Altmer - PvE
Affa al'Dschinni - Stamplar - Orc - PvP
Enjoys-the-slaughter - Templar Healer - Argonian - PvE
Hades Adamastos - Stamcro - Orc - PvE
Khaba the Cruel - Magsorc- Altmer - PvP
Hekate Ourania - Magcro - Atlmer - PvE - TTT
Trials: vAA hm - vHRC hm - vSO hm - vMoL hm (~161k) - vHoF hm (~218k) - vAS+2 (~114k) - vCR+3 - vSS hm - vKA hm
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SodanTok✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If there was no cast time he would hit you and kill you hour before you run out of stamina.3 -
jcm2606✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You all (those in favour of cast times) wanted this, this is what you get. You dug your own grave.Gatdangmayne wrote: »Yeah ult cast time is pretty much the worst change ive been around for.
It's rarely an ult that is the "wtf killed me" moment, usually its sorcs spamming crystal blast.
Nerf sorc
The only ult that has gotten that reaction out of me is this recent Overload cheese.1 -
exeeter702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DocFrost72 wrote: »GeorgeBlack wrote: »This is a true able combatant.
Not animation cancelling. AC can be learned with 20min practice
He was canceling the animation of his ability in order to feint.
The ultimate irony here is that you still have to learn to animation cancel in order to feint, to adjust to changes aimed at stopping animation canceling preventing people from reliably reacting to ultimates.
We've hit inception.
No, its important to note that the cast time change had nothing to do with "animation canceling".0
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