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Si vis pacem, para bellum

Hiddle
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So running Maelstrom arena this weekend I took notice of this set:
Para Bellum Set
  • (2 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Stamina
  • (3 items) Adds 1206 Maximum Health
  • (4 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Stamina
  • (5 items) Gain a damage shield that absorbs 13966 damage if you have not taken any damage in the last 10 seconds.

Link for set information: https://eso-sets.com/set/para-bellum


Am I missing something, or there is a situation that this set is useful?
If not, which is my guess, how come it remained untouched for so many years?


PS:
The name is from Latin and used in this famous proveb: "Si vis pacem, para bellum". It translated to "If you want peace, prepare for war".

More like, If you want to waste 5 slots, wear this set.
  • cmvet
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    Hiddle wrote: »
    So running Maelstrom arena this weekend I took notice of this set:
    Para Bellum Set
    • (2 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Stamina
    • (3 items) Adds 1206 Maximum Health
    • (4 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Stamina
    • (5 items) Gain a damage shield that absorbs 13966 damage if you have not taken any damage in the last 10 seconds.

    Link for set information: https://eso-sets.com/set/para-bellum


    Am I missing something, or there is a situation that this set is useful?
    If not, which is my guess, how come it remained untouched for so many years?


    PS:
    The name is from Latin and used in this famous proveb: "Si vis pacem, para bellum". It translated to "If you want peace, prepare for war".

    More like, If you want to waste 5 slots, wear this set.

    agree, name a situation, pve or pvp where you are not taking damage for 10 seconds while in a fight. I could imagine werewolf with your pets holding agro would be ok, but after monday that is not possible, so never.
    Edited by cmvet on August 11, 2019 5:02AM
  • Taleof2Cities
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    You're asking the right question, @Hiddle.

    Exactly what situation is this set useful?? ;)

    Because damage shields are mostly linked to tanking or defense on light armor magicka characters.

    This set, however, happens to be medium armor ... which is associated with neither of the two examples above.

    As you're likely aware, medium armor players prefer damage or proc sets for a 5-piece bonus (and not a damage shield).

    Furthermore, players generally want the 5-piece bonus working for them in combat. Not a 5-piece that spawns after the peak of combat. Or worse, after combat.

    On the bright side, the new Combat Team has been reviewing item sets and making improvements. Recall that they've made wholesale changes to another Maelstrom set, Elemental Succession, for this Monday's Scalebreaker debut.

    Maybe they take a look at Para Bellum, too, in the near future ...

    Edited by Taleof2Cities on August 11, 2019 4:46AM
    "May you walk on warm sands."
    "First, I would ask that you look to the poor and the suffering around Cyrodiil. Look into their hearts, and then look into your own."
    "May Auri-El's light guide you in your darkest hours."

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  • goldenarcher1
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    I've collected all the pieces from this set now in good traits thanks to double VMA drops.

    I just don't know why.
  • Taleof2Cities
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    I've collected all the pieces from this set now in good traits thanks to double VMA drops.

    I just don't know why.

    Same here.

    Have a full set with weapons and jewelry as fallout from chasing a Winterborn Ice Staff.
    "May you walk on warm sands."
    "First, I would ask that you look to the poor and the suffering around Cyrodiil. Look into their hearts, and then look into your own."
    "May Auri-El's light guide you in your darkest hours."

    North American (NA) PC Megaserver (click to view):
    Vilerihala - Magicka Templar (Altmer ~ Dedicated Healer) ~ Màisalihna - Stamina Dragonknight (Bosmer) ~ Áhliaselia - Stamina Templar (Bosmer) ~ Thraccenia Vendicci - Stamina Sorcerer (Imperial) ~ daa'Vaaliánia - Magicka Warden (Dunmer) ~ Wenayastare - Magicka Dragonknight (Altmer) ~ Aráliavina - Stamina Nightblade (Bosmer) ~ Ysyna Rielle - Magicka Warden (Breton) ~ Dro-r'Aahni Bright-Paws - Magicka Necromancer (Khajiit) ~ Rhusannah - Stamina Nightblade (Redguard) ~ Eirellonye - Magicka Nightblade (Altmer) ~ Lae'Suuriávia - Stamina Warden (Bosmer) ~ Dralora Savani - Magicka Sorcerer (Dunmer) ~ Billows-With-Incense - Magicka Warden (Argonian ~ Dedicated Healer) ~ Anísa'Vardaia - Health Dragonknight (Imperial) ~ Azhnakha gra-Shugarz - Stamina Necromancer (Orc) ~ Vilinalara - Magicka Sorcerer (Altmer ~ Grand Master Crafter)
  • FrancisCrawford
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    Are there any PvP contexts in which you're confident the fight will be over within 10 seconds?
  • LinearParadox
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    This set is a great example of one of the many dead sets in this game.
    It's one of my biggest gripes; while the game boasts having literally 100s of sets to chose from, and it does, I'd say only about half of them are useful, and less than half of that are competitive.
    There is no real situation in PvP or PvP where having a 14K shield (or 7K in PvP) is going to make any kind of difference.
    There is no real situation in PvE or PvP, where you're going to have a 10 second break from all damage to refresh the shield.
    There is no real situation in PvE, as a Healer, DPS or Tank where having this set is useful or anywhere near competitive.
    There is no real situation in PvP where having this set is ANYTHING but a complete waste of a 5pc set.

    If they made the shield refresh every 10 seconds even when taking damage, it still wouldn't be enough.
    If they made the shield refresh every 5 seconds even when taking damage, it still wouldn't be competitive but might be slightly better than dead weight.

    Sadly there are a TON of sets in this game that're so bad it's astounding, and tbh they look like newbie traps to me.
    I know the combat team is going back and revisiting old/outdated/dead sets a couple at a time each patch, but most of them remain useless even after they're reworked, sadly.
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  • kojou
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    It decons for materials pretty well.

    None of the 5 piece sets in VMA were ever particularly good. I am gathering Elemental Succession for my DK now, but I had decon'ed a lot of that when it was crap, so you never know what is going to get buffs...

    My tin foil hat theory is that they like to have 1 bad set in every piece of content so they can skew the RNG towards it. Para Bellum is this set for VMA. Well... Glory is really bad too.
    Edited by kojou on August 14, 2019 2:29PM
    Playing since beta...
  • luen79rwb17_ESO
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    Hiddle wrote: »
    More like, If you want to waste 5 slots, wear this set

    We need the latin translation for this and apply it to 90% of the sets.

    PC/DC/NAserver

    V16 sorc - V16 temp - V16 dk - V1 nb - V1 temp - V1 dk
  • SidraWillowsky
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    This seems to be the single least useful set in the game. I love that it drops from vMA, one of the places where you're *least* likely to not take damage in 10 seconds.
  • kalunte
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    take a magblade, engage, do your killing combo, cloak 4th, you get the shield to engage next target.

    you will "para bellum" (prepare your war) by having your shield before you engage your 2nd target.

    this is how it must be used, it will be bad for sure, even for bombers, but this is the "how to".
  • remilafo
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    it's a anti-gank set.. plain and simple....

    if hate getting surprised in pvp..
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