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U23 Magsorc Nerfs are Brutal
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Saril_Durzam✭✭✭✭Mag Sorc will do just fine in this new update. Of the skills available, far more were buffed than nerfed. This is not a LTP post, but I’ll say that all this fuss over minor changes like this is way over the top.
You obviously dont play a Sorc. There is a clear nerf. Should we have to adapt? Sure thing, but the nerf is there. The changes are many and not all of them are good; actually only Streak has a "buff", the other good things for a Sorc comes from magicka general dots which will let Sorcs keep doing the same DPS as before (with worse survability).2 -
Grianasteri✭✭✭✭✭
✭Seraphayel wrote: »Oh, Sorcs aren't carried anymore by their pets, particularly Twilight Matriarch? Ugh, sad.
I never use pets, I hate them, they are the most ugly part of the game (Id consider using if they allowed us to reskin or even colour them).
So my main magsorc, that I have been playing as my main dps, for 4 years... is now nerfed into the ground it seems. I will see for sure this evening.
I do not understand such huge nerfs and changes, to a game that is or was essentially fine. Why do they keep changing classes, surely after 5 years it should be fairly settled!Edited by Grianasteri on August 13, 2019 8:50AM5 -
Galarthor✭✭✭✭✭
✭The cost increase to shields was just pure BS. It now costs the same as Breath of Life, but is far less powerful - e.g. cannot crit, has fewer multipliers, caps, anti-shield set, CPs, ...
ZOS justified this change with their new "burst healing standard", which apparently is a double standard given the huge disparity in performance and potential between shield and burst heal.
The root of this change is probably all the shield / sorc hate on the forums, which is all grounded in a preception problem as sorcs (shielded players) never seem to really take any damage, which is very frustrating - I know. But I can assure you, sorcs have the same issue when fighting other shielded players. But instead of finally changing how shields are displayed ingame and thus resolving the issue, ZOS decided to go with some complete BS ideas such as cast time on shields.
The other issue is / was pets. Twilight healing and dealing decent damage wasn't an issue either - after all it takes up 2 slots and as such would be equivalent to a heal + a DoT ability. The issue is rather that pets also absorb damage and can be used to LOS players. But again, instead of addressing the issue, ZOS decided to go full BS again leaving the issue untouched but nerfing the ability into the ground.15 -
Mayrael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The healing and ward nerds were big, but WTF us up with the change to twighlight? A 69% reduction? That's more, a lot more, than half lol! Has it really been THAT OP for all this time? If so how did it take so long to nerf? Can someone point me to the thought process there? Not sure where to find that.marius_buys wrote: »Went into IC, got destroyed, respecced, got destroyed. Rage cancelled my ESO plus subs.
I simply cant survive with no shield, no heal ZOS was that REALLY neccesary?
Ya ya git gud and adapt I suppose...
Gotta admit, was waiting for the patch to go live for these posts to begins!
I don't mean to whine about how it messes me up, I don't even main sorc, maybe there really is a good reason there, I'm not a professional theory crafter. Just the idea any skill could be needed or buffed by 70% in one patch just seems kinda crazy and I don't get it. Seems like turning a cannon into a tickle noodle or vice versa.
70% was a nerf to basic and healing morph, tormentor got nerfed by 35%. It was done because Matriarch was providing to much. Great passive damage at no cost, LoS on demand + probably the best burst heal in the game. Right now it is as it should be, there is a defensive and offensive morph.
What is wrong is Critical Surge, it should provide also major sorcery.I'm done with this game because of ZOS pushing us into Vengeance, because they don't know how to fix Cyrodiil.3 -
Alienoutlaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Good. Suffer. DK wing nerf says hello.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/531894648915099658/610754296061100042/Sorcmeme.jpg3 -
Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭honestly shield nerf ok... twillight nerf ok but they could have reduced it like 1/3 instead of 2/3... nerf to power surge was dumb
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Uryel✭✭✭✭✭
✭marius_buys wrote: »Other classes are of course skipping down the street in delight while sorc main players feel violated.
Post-update 20, 21 and 22 Nightbaldes say hello.1 -
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✭Alienoutlaw wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »LuminaLilly wrote: »Get enough people to complain and they nerf an already balanced class more and more over the years. I retired my magsorc to pve and zerg pvp.
my non-pet pvp build is fine no issues there nerfs not really hit it at all, just my PvE trials/dungeon build got wrecked
So a 25% cost increase to hardened ward alongside a 9% loss in strengh alongside the loss of powersurge had no effect at all?
not on my PvP magsorc no
So you didn´t use either of those alongside annulment and morphs and steadfast ward and morphs?
That´s interesting.
nope dont need em, i use crit surge for HoT thats about it.
You actually fought someone that used the new juicy dots by now? Because from my testing critsurge doesn´t even remotely cover that.
I havent thrown my headset in more than a year, I currently have zero headsetthrownfree days
yes and decent stam player will screw you every day from Monday to Sunday and those that says its not affecting them in pvp probably zerg.Edited by marius_buys on August 13, 2019 10:54AMGolden Clover AD PvP on PC EU (since 2017) Guildex https://eso.guildex.org/view-guild/17669 Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/1312113207951962 -
agegarton✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Alienoutlaw wrote: »Saril_Durzam wrote: »Mag Sorc will do just fine in this new update. Of the skills available, far more were buffed than nerfed. This is not a LTP post, but I’ll say that all this fuss over minor changes like this is way over the top.
You obviously dont play a Sorc. There is a clear nerf. Should we have to adapt? Sure thing, but the nerf is there. The changes are many and not all of them are good; actually only Streak has a "buff", the other good things for a Sorc comes from magicka general dots which will let Sorcs keep doing the same DPS as before (with worse survability).
I play Sorc - several actually, pet and standalone, in PVE and PVP. My main is a Sorc. I have played since the beta. I was playing long before Surge and its morphs look like they did last week. I'm playing now. I'll be playing, I expect, after whatever is the next series of changes.
The updates this time around were minor. Some skills are different now, but different doesn't equate to "nerf". On balance, Sorcs are better off now than they were. Most serious commentators are posting new builds with a view that Sorcs will now do more DPS than they did before, in PVE and in PVP.
If you can no longer play because Surge and its morphs were altered, can I suggest Minecraft ? Careful though, because under Microsoft's ownership I hear the mobs have gotten tougher.1 -
Lylith✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭marius_buys wrote: »
it's been a steady nerf train for several updates now, scrubbing away the uniqueness of each class and muting their most effective abilities.
we'll be npc's before it's done.6 -
Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The updates this time around were minor. Some skills are different now, but different doesn't equate to "nerf".
It doesn't, but for many of us it does. The combination of the loss of major sorcery combined with a significant reduction on AoE effectiveness and yet another hit to shields is significant. Perhaps for some players, it is a simple matter of sheeping along with whatever "build" someone comes up with next. But for those of us who play actual characters, adapting is limited because we can only change so much before we've destroyed who that character is. Lightning mage basically won't have major sorcery from his class anymore, which is stupid.6 -
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✭Alienoutlaw wrote: »love to see how the ppl would react if ZOS removed all the trees and rocks from cyro
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ZarkingFrued✭✭✭✭✭
✭Mag sorc is a garbage class, they completely destroyed it lol. Now everyone who has been touched by a sorc will hit these threads rubbing it in people's faces. Oh the joy of the forums 🤣Edited by ZarkingFrued on August 13, 2019 3:19PM3 -
Saril_Durzam✭✭✭✭The cost increase to shields was just pure BS. It now costs the same as Breath of Life, but is far less powerful - e.g. cannot crit, has fewer multipliers, caps, anti-shield set, CPs, ...
ZOS justified this change with their new "burst healing standard", which apparently is a double standard given the huge disparity in performance and potential between shield and burst heal.
The root of this change is probably all the shield / sorc hate on the forums, which is all grounded in a preception problem as sorcs (shielded players) never seem to really take any damage, which is very frustrating - I know. But I can assure you, sorcs have the same issue when fighting other shielded players. But instead of finally changing how shields are displayed ingame and thus resolving the issue, ZOS decided to go with some complete BS ideas such as cast time on shields.
The other issue is / was pets. Twilight healing and dealing decent damage wasn't an issue either - after all it takes up 2 slots and as such would be equivalent to a heal + a DoT ability. The issue is rather that pets also absorb damage and can be used to LOS players. But again, instead of addressing the issue, ZOS decided to go full BS again leaving the issue untouched but nerfing the ability into the ground.
Couldnt write it better.4 -
Vercingetorix✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why not switch to Twilight Tormentor and use the Clannfear's heal instead? Run more health, get more shields and better Clannfear heals. Stack dots on your opponent and then execute away... I fail to see the issue here other than OP not adapting to the changes.“Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”0 -
Saril_Durzam✭✭✭✭Alienoutlaw wrote: »Saril_Durzam wrote: »Mag Sorc will do just fine in this new update. Of the skills available, far more were buffed than nerfed. This is not a LTP post, but I’ll say that all this fuss over minor changes like this is way over the top.
You obviously dont play a Sorc. There is a clear nerf. Should we have to adapt? Sure thing, but the nerf is there. The changes are many and not all of them are good; actually only Streak has a "buff", the other good things for a Sorc comes from magicka general dots which will let Sorcs keep doing the same DPS as before (with worse survability).
I play Sorc - several actually, pet and standalone, in PVE and PVP. My main is a Sorc. I have played since the beta. I was playing long before Surge and its morphs look like they did last week. I'm playing now. I'll be playing, I expect, after whatever is the next series of changes.
The updates this time around were minor. Some skills are different now, but different doesn't equate to "nerf". On balance, Sorcs are better off now than they were. Most serious commentators are posting new builds with a view that Sorcs will now do more DPS than they did before, in PVE and in PVP.
If you can no longer play because Surge and its morphs were altered, can I suggest Minecraft ? Careful though, because under Microsoft's ownership I hear the mobs have gotten tougher.
That i can play and adapt doesnt mean there is a clear nerf there. I have changed 7 of my skills and just finished Maelstrom, thankyou. Again, that I can adapt, use new skills and be effective doesnt mean that sorc skills werent nerfed. I wouldn't call 69% dmg nerf minor. Nor 800 more magicka to shields minor.
Drop from your high castle with that stubborn L2P attitude, its not making you look good. As i said, de sorc is still playable but the nerfs are there. My new setup is weaker than my old one, but this doesnt mean its not good. Because it is.Edited by Saril_Durzam on August 13, 2019 3:36PM8 -
Saril_Durzam✭✭✭✭marius_buys wrote: »Other classes are of course skipping down the street in delight while sorc main players feel violated.
Post-update 20, 21 and 22 Nightbaldes say hello.
Weve been not the only ones nerfed. At least NBs got nerfed when they were at the top. I think sorc players were happy despite knowing they were not top dps. Thats what really hurts. Sorcs were not the top dog out there
Btw magblades dot/cloak looks powerful in pvp. Not as much as the stamina players say but still good.Edited by Saril_Durzam on August 13, 2019 3:40PM0 -
SirLeeMinion✭✭✭✭✭
✭The other issue is / was pets. Twilight healing and dealing decent damage wasn't an issue either - after all it takes up 2 slots and as such would be equivalent to a heal + a DoT ability. The issue is rather that pets also absorb damage and can be used to LOS players. But again, instead of addressing the issue, ZOS decided to go full BS again leaving the issue untouched but nerfing the ability into the ground.
Couldn't agree more.
On another note, I don't get the many, "Ha! It's your turn now!" replies. It's as if someone recovering from a cold were to yell "Ha! Now you're sick..." to family members that caught it. As an unashamed fotm player, I have multiple leveled toons of all classes (but necro) and in stam and magicka. Mostly it just seems sad to see a playstyle ruined when it could have been fixed with minor adjustments.
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Sieggo11Soul ShrivenI chose MagSorc with pets specifically because I was able to find an easy build and could just play the game how I wanted, not caring if I did great dps etc. The latest patch hits and my damage is gutted. No, I won't try another class, I'm just done. I had hoped Zenimax would learn from the mistakes made in other MMORPG's with their constant tinkering and flavor of the month builds. It's clearly all about selling more character slots so people can change to a new character when their current one gets ruined...for reasons. Good riddance Zenimax and have fun ruining the game further. I won't be around to watch the *** show.Edited by Sieggo11 on August 13, 2019 4:55PM9
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svendf✭✭✭✭Alienoutlaw wrote: »Saril_Durzam wrote: »Mag Sorc will do just fine in this new update. Of the skills available, far more were buffed than nerfed. This is not a LTP post, but I’ll say that all this fuss over minor changes like this is way over the top.
You obviously dont play a Sorc. There is a clear nerf. Should we have to adapt? Sure thing, but the nerf is there. The changes are many and not all of them are good; actually only Streak has a "buff", the other good things for a Sorc comes from magicka general dots which will let Sorcs keep doing the same DPS as before (with worse survability).
I play Sorc - several actually, pet and standalone, in PVE and PVP. My main is a Sorc. I have played since the beta. I was playing long before Surge and its morphs look like they did last week. I'm playing now. I'll be playing, I expect, after whatever is the next series of changes.
The updates this time around were minor. Some skills are different now, but different doesn't equate to "nerf". On balance, Sorcs are better off now than they were. Most serious commentators are posting new builds with a view that Sorcs will now do more DPS than they did before, in PVE and in PVP.
If you can no longer play because Surge and its morphs were altered, can I suggest Minecraft ? Careful though, because under Microsoft's ownership I hear the mobs have gotten tougher.
Hi,
This is prretty awesome feel happy for you. Now that your world in ESO seems to be stronger "sorc vise" would you be so kind to publish your rotation, set and all - it seems you are not effected by this. I ask you simply because the community of corc player`s need your help me included.
With kindregards a Sorc player3 -
Vahrokh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Good. Suffer. DK wing nerf says hello.
So nasty. The world is awful because of people like this.Vaerah, Dark Elf Magicka Sorceress
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Vahrokh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Alienoutlaw wrote: »Saril_Durzam wrote: »Mag Sorc will do just fine in this new update. Of the skills available, far more were buffed than nerfed. This is not a LTP post, but I’ll say that all this fuss over minor changes like this is way over the top.
You obviously dont play a Sorc. There is a clear nerf. Should we have to adapt? Sure thing, but the nerf is there. The changes are many and not all of them are good; actually only Streak has a "buff", the other good things for a Sorc comes from magicka general dots which will let Sorcs keep doing the same DPS as before (with worse survability).
I play Sorc - several actually, pet and standalone, in PVE and PVP. My main is a Sorc. I have played since the beta. I was playing long before Surge and its morphs look like they did last week. I'm playing now. I'll be playing, I expect, after whatever is the next series of changes.
The updates this time around were minor. Some skills are different now, but different doesn't equate to "nerf". On balance, Sorcs are better off now than they were. Most serious commentators are posting new builds with a view that Sorcs will now do more DPS than they did before, in PVE and in PVP.
If you can no longer play because Surge and its morphs were altered, can I suggest Minecraft ? Careful though, because under Microsoft's ownership I hear the mobs have gotten tougher.
Not everybody play a class to get crappy DPS digits floating on the screen.
If you are fine because you can mix max your NB clone, that's cool.
But don't come preach to all the others, who rolled a MAGE (not a NB) in a RPG and wanted to be masters of AoE, lightning damage, direct damage spells and so on. Or those who rolled a SUMMONEER in a RPG, not a dumb NB clone for "phat numbers".Vaerah, Dark Elf Magicka Sorceress
Trials addict, soloer extraordinaire!
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buttaface✭✭✭✭✭Hmmm. How to get necessary Entropy for those who didn't farm Mage Guild yet on that magsorc alt? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Anyone? If there was only a way to not have to grind those books again...
But it's really all about conforming to a (nonexistent, ask Pirate Skeleton) "baseline" and "kiss curse" and other malarkey, don't even suggest that it's a planned money grab.
Meanwhile, in other news, the howling about "overtuned" erm "overperforming" erm... (insert ignorant fanboi nerf herder jargon here) DOTS has already begun in other places.
... and surprise, surprise, now the dregs have started hollering about Overload too.
Those cretins won't be happy until most of the DOT buffs are reverted while all the nerfs remain.
Then they will start howling about all the Templars that replaced shelved Sorcs again.
Then cloak.
Then ...6 -
kpittsniperb14_ESO✭✭✭✭Alienoutlaw wrote: »Too early for this topic.
People will be happy that not only the overperforming abilities got gutted but instead the whole class got hammered.
That´s until in a week or two they notice it takes considerably longer to do sorc quests in cyro.
And in one or two months they realize that sorcs are all but extinct in pvp.
Better utterly gutted than damned into mediocrity though. Atleast broken gets eventually fixed in 6 to 12 months. Mediocrity lasts forever.
remind me to repost this when it happen to whatever you play
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Not even intending to make fun of sorcs - since it´s my main class since launmarius_buys wrote: »Other classes are of course skipping down the street in delight while sorc main players feel violated.
Post-update 20, 21 and 22 Nightbaldes say hello.
Post 1.6 Mag DK also says....heyMagicka DK-Rowsdowerr
Tertiary Meat GM
"they're going to say, there's Daniel and he has 20 people with him, I want to kill him and there's
40 more behind me."
"I'm tired of the BS excuses, if you're going to do what you do at least admit what you're doing"
YEEEEEAAAAAHHHH!!!0 -
kpittsniperb14_ESO✭✭✭✭Too early for this topic.
People will be happy that not only the overperforming abilities got gutted but instead the whole class got hammered.
That´s until in a week or two they notice it takes considerably longer to do sorc quests in cyro.
And in one or two months they realize that sorcs are all but extinct in pvp.
Better utterly gutted than damned into mediocrity though. Atleast broken gets eventually fixed in 6 to 12 months. Mediocrity lasts forever.
Post 1.6 Mag DK says hello.Magicka DK-Rowsdowerr
Tertiary Meat GM
"they're going to say, there's Daniel and he has 20 people with him, I want to kill him and there's
40 more behind me."
"I'm tired of the BS excuses, if you're going to do what you do at least admit what you're doing"
YEEEEEAAAAAHHHH!!!1 -
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✭I'm just curious are most magsorcs trying to play a nonpet build with snb backbar or something ? No reason to do that when resto has rapid regen and new healing ward. There are your heals, both of those are better than surge anyways.0 -
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✭Alchimiste1 wrote: »I'm just curious are most magsorcs trying to play a nonpet build with snb backbar or something ? No reason to do that when resto has rapid regen and new healing ward. There are your heals, both of those are better than surge anyways.
That's a low bar to clear, since right now EVERYTHING is better than Surge.4 -
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✭✭Swap to Clanfear. The heal is still pretty nice, and it's markedly less annoying. Honestly, I was in support of the magsorcs who flipped out last round of nerfs, and just as outraged as them. After dealing with them in PvP after that though, and still hearing them complain about #sorcnerfnation, all while i was taking back-to-back 15k Crystal frags to the face and getting zapped by 8k tics from their petting zoo, I'm about done listening to it.
Sorcs were super powerful and had insane mobility and survivability (if specced properly). Now they're just like the rest of us derps, and I know it's going to take a while to adjust and figure out a new build, but I give it a few more days before the good players figure out how to work with what they've got and make a new OP character (that also happens to look and function like every other mag toon, because homogenization is Zos's new plan).PC/Xbox NA
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