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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Most stamina builds. Just cut out the "flavor" class skill and substitute a weapon skill instead.
My Stam sorc could sub DW's Blade Cloak for Hurricane and feel very similar.10 -
Hluill✭✭✭I have a Templar whose front board is all two-handed skills... It's great for running around gathering and clearing zones. And my Nightblade crafter uses a similar set up.Black-handed Hluill and his daughter Leyek of House Numaril.1 -
Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Stam Sorc has nearly no actives. Atro backbar, Hurricane and mabye1- 2x Bound Armor for the passives. Sub Atro for Bow Ulti and it's as classless as it gets.
Or just use something like this:
Rending, Crushing Weapon, Rearming Trap, Deadly Cloak, Whirlwind- Flawless DB
Arrow Barage, Caltrops, Poison Injection, Soul Trap, Vigor - Bow Ulti
Reliqien, Lokke, vMA Bow, any monster set6 -
Browiseth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »O M G why would you even want that? go play pubg
ah yea that's right, pubg is infamous when compared to eso because of it's lack of class skills
(???)skingrad when zoscharacters:PC/NA but live in EU 150+ ping lyfe- EP - M - Strikes-with-Arcane - Argonian Stamina Sorc - lvl 50 - The Flawless Conqueror/Spirit Slayer
- EP - F - Melina Elinia - Dunmer Magicka Dragonknight - lvl 50
- EP - F - Sinnia Lavellan - Altmer Warden Healer - lvl 50
- EP - M - Follows-the-Arcane - Argonian Healer Sorcerer- lvl 50
- EP - F - Ashes-of-Arcane - Argonian Magicka Necromancer - lvl 50
- EP - M - Bolgrog the Sinh - Orc Stamina Dragonknight - lvl 50
- EP - F - Moonlight Maiden - Altmer Magicka Templar - lvl 50
- EP - F - Maxine Cauline - Breton Magicka Nightblade - lvl 50
- EP - M - Garrus Loridius - Imperial Stamina Templar - lvl 50
- EP - F - Jennifer Loridius - Imperial Necromancer tank - lvl 50
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Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »O M G why would you even want that? go play pubg
ah yea that's right, pubg is infamous when compared to eso because of it's lack of class skills
(???)
if you dont care about having a class identity why playing an mmoRPG at all and not just some arena pvp game0 -
Browiseth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »Nemesis7884 wrote: »O M G why would you even want that? go play pubg
ah yea that's right, pubg is infamous when compared to eso because of it's lack of class skills
(???)
if you dont care about having a class identity why playing an mmoRPG at all and not just some arena pvp game
because the only thing that defines mmorpg games is whether or not they have class systems built in and whether or not those classes have different colours on the FX for their abilities
i get youskingrad when zoscharacters:PC/NA but live in EU 150+ ping lyfe- EP - M - Strikes-with-Arcane - Argonian Stamina Sorc - lvl 50 - The Flawless Conqueror/Spirit Slayer
- EP - F - Melina Elinia - Dunmer Magicka Dragonknight - lvl 50
- EP - F - Sinnia Lavellan - Altmer Warden Healer - lvl 50
- EP - M - Follows-the-Arcane - Argonian Healer Sorcerer- lvl 50
- EP - F - Ashes-of-Arcane - Argonian Magicka Necromancer - lvl 50
- EP - M - Bolgrog the Sinh - Orc Stamina Dragonknight - lvl 50
- EP - F - Moonlight Maiden - Altmer Magicka Templar - lvl 50
- EP - F - Maxine Cauline - Breton Magicka Nightblade - lvl 50
- EP - M - Garrus Loridius - Imperial Stamina Templar - lvl 50
- EP - F - Jennifer Loridius - Imperial Necromancer tank - lvl 50
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Tycleton✭✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »O M G why would you even want that? go play pubg
I do not disagree. But we have a bit of time to kill, and no running away from the new reality of the game (hopefully just a short term reality with greater improvements to come).
If an account has already unlocked access to the 'buyable' skill lines, and CP 810+ is available, what can be made without a class? For those against "pay to play", perhaps the exercise proves the point? For those that don't mind, it could give something new to try?
So in this experiment, weapon and armor would still need to be leveled up. Any other crucial skill line that could not be bought or avoided?0 -
Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Stam Sorc has nearly no actives. Atro backbar, Hurricane and mabye1- 2x Bound Armor for the passives. Sub Atro for Bow Ulti and it's as classless as it gets.
Or just use something like this:
Rending, Crushing Weapon, Rearming Trap, Deadly Cloak, Whirlwind- Flawless DB
Arrow Barage, Caltrops, Poison Injection, Soul Trap, Vigor - Bow Ulti
Reliqien, Lokke, vMA Bow, any monster set
Hurricane is too good to be missed and attro granta synergy (+damage buff to ally)0 -
pdblake✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »Nemesis7884 wrote: »O M G why would you even want that? go play pubg
ah yea that's right, pubg is infamous when compared to eso because of it's lack of class skills
(???)
if you dont care about having a class identity why playing an mmoRPG at all and not just some arena pvp game
So swordsman, or archer are not identities, they have to be enhanced by sparkly magic skills to be of use?
This from a petsorc with a day-glow purple pet.
Think I might try a new character this way at some point, just use what class passives I can. It'd be nice to just use either a blade or a bow, or a staff or whatever, then just augment it with guild and world skills.2 -
AcadianPaladin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »Nemesis7884 wrote: »O M G why would you even want that? go play pubg
ah yea that's right, pubg is infamous when compared to eso because of it's lack of class skills
(???)
if you dont care about having a class identity why playing an mmoRPG at all and not just some arena pvp game
I don't see the connection between being restricted by classes and either MMO or RPG. Granted they are not MMOs but Oblivion had a 'class' system that was delightfully meaningless. Skyrim had no class system at all and your character developed based on how you played. Though ESO is my one (and likely only) forray into MMO, I don't see how being an MMO requires classes.PC NA(no Steam), PvE, mostly solo0 -
Tycleton✭✭✭AcadianPaladin wrote: »I don't see how being an MMO requires classes.
I cut my MMORPG teeth on Asheron's Call. There were no classes. You had access to all skills, just needed the skill points to invest. So you could run around with a bow shooting, heal casting, jewelry maker with ease. And as with most any RPG, soon expert players found ways to min/max even in that environment.Edited by Tycleton on August 12, 2019 12:17PM0 -
Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭AcadianPaladin wrote: »Nemesis7884 wrote: »Nemesis7884 wrote: »O M G why would you even want that? go play pubg
ah yea that's right, pubg is infamous when compared to eso because of it's lack of class skills
(???)
if you dont care about having a class identity why playing an mmoRPG at all and not just some arena pvp game
I don't see the connection between being restricted by classes and either MMO or RPG. Granted they are not MMOs but Oblivion had a 'class' system that was delightfully meaningless. Skyrim had no class system at all and your character developed based on how you played. Though ESO is my one (and likely only) forray into MMO, I don't see how being an MMO requires classes.
A) comparing mmos with single player rpg's is deliberately ignorant
asking for classless builds shortly before a patch that erodes class identity even further after this having been one of the major complaints of recent years is simply twisting the knife in the wound
C) a classless system in an mmo would be either not varied at all resulting in everyone playing the same builds or even harder to balance
D) and no class and role are not certainly linked but because of said reasons in mmo playing a class is mostly an integral aspect of the experience and strongly linked to the role
and yeah, im perfectly fine if ESO scraps all the classes altogether and moves towards the same direction as the single player games with a hundred interesting skills you can combine and match how you want to create your own builds - for example something the secret world has done very well - but do you honestly think for ONE SECOND with the level of "competence" zos has demonstrated in balancing classes that this would result in a balanced but varied and satisfying experience???
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Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lord_Eomer wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Stam Sorc has nearly no actives. Atro backbar, Hurricane and mabye1- 2x Bound Armor for the passives. Sub Atro for Bow Ulti and it's as classless as it gets.
Or just use something like this:
Rending, Crushing Weapon, Rearming Trap, Deadly Cloak, Whirlwind- Flawless DB
Arrow Barage, Caltrops, Poison Injection, Soul Trap, Vigor - Bow Ulti
Reliqien, Lokke, vMA Bow, any monster set
Hurricane is too good to be missed and attro granta synergy (+damage buff to ally)
Sure thing, but OP asked for a classless build.
However, I'm a bit upset with the current approach. Classes are loosing more and more uniqueness.
First DKs lost their unique feature with the FG pull. Then a dark deal clone popped up in the Psijiic Line. Now NBs will chose their better fear from a guild line as well and sorcs minor expedition is not only granted via sets but via a staff skill as well.
If they continue to stay on this path classes will become more and more irrelevant. Can't wait for the patch that will bring class passives in line, so every class has exactly the same.1 -
Cladius30✭✭✭✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »O M G why would you even want that? go play pubg
some people dont like to be a class0 -
Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »O M G why would you even want that? go play pubg
some people dont like to be a class
tough luck...some people dont like the constant whining from pvpers ruining their pve experience...
ZOS cant balance the current system while keeping it varied and interesting. In a classless system they would have to dumb everything so down that everyone would play exactly the same - cause thats exactly the way we are heading now...
You know who doesnt do this? Just the most succesful mmos on the planer...wonder why...0 -
WaltherCarraway✭✭✭✭✭Just buy a vDSA carry to obtain master dual wield.
Back from my last hiatus. 2021 a new start.0 -
p_tsakirisb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭While we wait... anyone have a build that does not use any class skills?
Ok by "not use" you mean not slotted any class skill also, regardless if used or not?
For Stamina
If on the above question the answer is YES. Then Dragonknight and put all the passives. (you need active skills slotted to level them but you can remove them afterwards).
If on the above question the answer is NO. Then Templar, NB & Necromancer and see on the passives which slotted abilities give the bonuses you like. (again you do not have to use the abilities just benefit from the slotted passives).
For Magicka
Either Sorcerer or Warden will do in any answer.
However if you plan not to level at all any of the class abilities hence not use any of the passives, good luck to you. You will change your mind as soon as you will realise your mistake.2 -
Tycleton✭✭✭p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »However if you plan not to level at all any of the class abilities hence not use any of the passives, good luck to you. You will change your mind as soon as you will realise your mistake.
Valid point. A truly classless build, one not making use of any class skills, would indeed be challenged on the passives front. So there is still value to a class!
I must admit I was originally frustrated by stam builds that made such heavy use of weapon skills while seeming to neglect the class skills. It would be nice to see class again have a greater value... or go classless and allow all skills to be accessed!0 -
Heyodude✭✭✭this every class now. play any class, its all superficial titles accompanied by really lame universal skills.0
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Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »However if you plan not to level at all any of the class abilities hence not use any of the passives, good luck to you. You will change your mind as soon as you will realise your mistake.
Valid point. A truly classless build, one not making use of any class skills, would indeed be challenged on the passives front. So there is still value to a class!
I must admit I was originally frustrated by stam builds that made such heavy use of weapon skills while seeming to neglect the class skills. It would be nice to see class again have a greater value... or go classless and allow all skills to be accessed!
Depending on what you're planning to play you may want to consider going stam/mag hybrid. I had great fun playing my hybrid dps in ordinary content. Of course, endgame is out of reach then but meh.
You can access and utilize so much more skills. It's a shame they created this stam/mag divide in the first place. However, you will be a bit limited in set choices then.1 -
RavenSworn✭✭✭✭✭I thought this was a thread regarding players that were... you know... having no class as the British are fond of saying.
so Disappointed.Ingame: RavenSworn, Pc / NA.
Of Wolf and Raven
Solo / Casual guild for beginners and new players wanting to join the game. Pst me for invite!0 -
pdblake✭✭✭✭✭
✭RavenSworn wrote: »I thought this was a thread regarding players that were... you know... having no class as the British are fond of saying.
so Disappointed.
magChav or stamChav, that is the question.0 -
huschdeguddzje✭✭✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »O M G why would you even want that? go play pubg
More elder scrolls flavor. Besides why do you care?1
