35k on a 6mil dummy.

Edit: I'd say all you really need to do most content comfortably is 30k. There are exceptions though.

The 21 mil dummy is more frequently used now, since it equalizes classes that don’t have access to things like Major Fracture (which should be provided by the tank in any dungeon or trial). You probably will never approach the dummy DPS in a real boss since things like 100% Major Vuln uptime are impossible, but it’s still the most fair way to compare various builds.

The somewhat arbitrary “35k” is likely referring to a 6 mil dummy, and translates to roughly 50k on the buffed raid dummy.

Of course the thing that matters more than any dummy is live parses from trials. Usually the baseline is whatever parse boss from the newest trial. Right now that would be Yolnakriin in Sunspire. Everyone in end game has a good calibration for what you should be getting in that specific fight, vs something like Ro Kotu in outdated content that I have no idea what’s typical these days.

Either number is valid so long as you are clear, however raid dummy numbers must be higher.

My guild operates under the rule that 33k self-buffed = 60k raid dummy. The unspoken rule is based on 6mil and predates the raid dummy by a while. Anything under 60k on a raid dummy needs work before going into vet trials because you have a huge amount of sustain and DPS support there.

It will vary by guild or group though. My guild’s threshold for vet trials is 33k (40k for vCR, vAS+1/2 or vHoF plus any non-Crag HM), other guilds have different requirements.

Then there’s the ‘small print’. Some guilds have max penetration numbers, banned foods, bans on receiving certain external buffs, requirements to parse in raid setup etc. Check with your raid guild, if you have one, what their conditions are. If you are just PUGing, standard rules for parses are:

- External ele drain/fracture is fine
- External orbs/shards are allowed
- No other external buffs are permitted
- Penetration is limited to 12.5k (generally don’t use The Lover)
- WW parses don’t count
- Use the gear you would in trials

highkingnm wrote: »

Runefang wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

The 21 mil dummy is more frequently used now, since it equalizes classes that don’t have access to things like Major Fracture (which should be provided by the tank in any dungeon or trial). You probably will never approach the dummy DPS in a real boss since things like 100% Major Vuln uptime are impossible, but it’s still the most fair way to compare various builds.

Wait the raid dummy has 100% major vuln?

I don’t believe it does. Has Minor vuln I’m pretty sure, but IA+Bone totem should make 100% uptime realistic.

Hmm, I thought it did, but could be remembering wrong. Maybe Major Force would be a better example, since I’m sure the Iron Atronach gives 100% uptime, but in a raid group it’s hard to break 50%.