Furniture Storage

Elara_Northwind · August 2019

Anybody seriously in to housing in this game, and who decorates and builds on a regular basis, will be fully aware of the issues we currently face when it comes to furniture storage. This is one of the many issues with housing at the moment, but most certainly one of the most prominent ones. We are the people spending obscene amounts of money in game, not on a one time purchase of a limited mount or a cute pet, we are the ones who keep coming back, sometimes buying the same items several times, buying limited homes when they are released. We are making money for you, ZOS, so why are we always ignored, why are our concerns never addressed and brushed under the carpet time and time again?

Right now people are getting very fed up with having nowhere to store their furnishings, and as somebody pointed out in a very long conversation in my discord channel tonight, you are making this worse! To quote this person, ' it's an issue ZOS has created since they love to offer limited time things, like weekly lux and furniture packs that are only available to purchase for up to two weeks. it would be nice for them to actually fix it..' People have said that they are getting disheartened with housing and even not buying furnishing packs that they love because they know that they won't have anywhere to store the items, and are walking around their many storage homes counting how many items will fit before deciding whether to purchase or not. This isn't right! This is a game! It is meant to be fun but the housing side of things is becoming a struggle for those of us who have been doing it for a very long time. We have nowhere to put things anymore!

I have decided to start a furniture aid house, to help some of us manage our excessive furnishings whilst helping others (can be found here https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/487966/furniture-aid#latest ) but really, we shouldn't have to to just give away our furnishings, just to craft them again one day if we need them. It is a lovely way to do it and I love helping others who may not be able to obtain the items they need and it's always a pleasure to help others get into housing too, but at the same time, we should not be over-encumbered this way. People in other areas of the game suffer also from the inventory management, but I think housing people most definitely suffer the most, and something needs to be done about it, because it is ruining our experience with the game, we are getting tired of it. If we had more item slots (I know you said no to that, but people still don't buy your answer to that, you only have to read chats in discord servers and housing guild chats to realize that your comment on this, made after 2 years of housing being released, was no accepted) Then perhaps this issue would be less concerning!

Below you can find a video I recorded today after I decided to embark on a new project on PC EU but couldn't, because of the terrible inventory management in this game. You potentially lost allot of money today, ZOS, and I am sure I'm not the only one who ditched a housing project idea due to storage issues!

This is a really serious issue which needs addressing! It is ruining peoples fun in the game, and causing much frustration.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yItfJO5hXN4&t=6s

MLGProPlayer · August 2019

Yes please. I have 6 or 7 storage houses (including 2 manors) where I keep furniture, but finding something I need after is a pain in the ass since I don't know which house I stored what in.

How hard would it be to have a "craft bag" for furniture? The system is already in place for mats... They can even make it sub-only. Just release something.

Elara_Northwind · August 2019

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Yes please. I have 6 or 7 storage houses (including 2 manors) where I keep furniture, but finding something I need after is a pain in the ass since I don't know which house I stored what in.

How hard would it be to have a "craft bag" for furniture? The system is already in place for mats... They can even make it sub-only. Just release something.

They really have to do something about the housing inventory problem soon! It's becoming painful, and a craft bag type thing would be amazing! It would help with finding stuff too!

therift · August 2019

No Furniture Storage Bag = No Buying Crown Store Furnishing Packs.

Add Furniture Storage Bag = therift will buy Crown Store Furnishing Packs.

I do not have the space to store, the permission to sell, nor the ability to deconstruct extra/unwanted Furnishing Pack items. Therefore development of a Furniture Storage Bag = Make More Money.

kargen27 · August 2019

I would like to see a furniture storage type thing other than my houses but something to consider. There is about 400 unique items that go into a crafting bag and over 3,500 unique pieces of furniture that would need to be stored. Not sure what kind of problems that might cause?

Watchdog · August 2019

kargen27 wrote: »

I would like to see a furniture storage type thing other than my houses but something to consider. There is about 400 unique items that go into a crafting bag and over 3,500 unique pieces of furniture that would need to be stored. Not sure what kind of problems that might cause?

I wonder if having those items as numbers in one's furnishings bag would cause a bigger strain on the database than tracking each single item's exact location in a specific house, its position and its lighting conditions. With multiple instances of many of those items. In different houses. Positioned differently. With different lighting conditions.

wishlist14 · August 2019

Yes I agree Op we really do need furnishing storage similar to our crafting bag. Perhaps it could even be a tab in our banks.
It is time for this and I hope Zos will oblige us. They really are trying their best to fix the many issues that players raised here in the forums. I'm going to be patient and wait for this and hope that once they fix the performance issues that plague us, they will have some time to focus on this idea of furnishing storage.

it's not a new concept. Many players discuss this on guild chat and zone chat too and I too have talked about wanting and needing furniture storage with my partner and he too gets frustrated with this issue.

This is something many players want.

If a storage furnishing bag cannot be done then perhaps some sort of unlimited bank we could store furnishings in.

Spacegato · August 2019

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Yes please. I have 6 or 7 storage houses (including 2 manors) where I keep furniture, but finding something I need after is a pain in the ass since I don't know which house I stored what in.

How hard would it be to have a "craft bag" for furniture? The system is already in place for mats... They can even make it sub-only. Just release something.

If you are on PC I recommend the addon Inventory Insight, you can look up your furniture and see where you stored it.
And yes we are in need of a furniture bag!

Cireous · August 2019

I can relate to everything in that video, only I have 10 storage houses instead of 5. Should nothing change, in only a few years time, I will have most of the houses and 80% of them will be storage only.

Please Zenimax, please find a way to relinquish our furnishings and make them available to us within the house we are decorating. Lugging furntiture from all over the place is not fun at all, in fact, it's super frustrating. I can't think of any other game that makes you do this.

Please free these beautiful lots up from storage oblivion so we can make them into something special again.

*Begging*

MLGProPlayer · August 2019

Spacegato wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Yes please. I have 6 or 7 storage houses (including 2 manors) where I keep furniture, but finding something I need after is a pain in the ass since I don't know which house I stored what in.

How hard would it be to have a "craft bag" for furniture? The system is already in place for mats... They can even make it sub-only. Just release something.

If you are on PC I recommend the addon Inventory Insight, you can look up your furniture and see where you stored it.
And yes we are in need of a furniture bag!

Oh, that's awesome. I recently downloaded this add-on to track inventory on my mules. I didn't even notice it had this feature.

redspecter23 · August 2019

I don't even do housing but if there were a furnishing bag (similar to craft bag), I'd hoard and collect furnishings just for fun.

Gandrhulf_Harbard · August 2019

Elara_Northwind wrote: »

We are the people spending obscene amounts of money in game, not on a one time purchase of a limited mount or a cute pet, we are the ones who keep coming back, sometimes buying the same items several times, buying limited homes when they are released. We are making money for you, ZOS, so why are we always ignored, why are our concerns never addressed and brushed under the carpet time and time again?

Well, we are ignored precisely because we keep spending money on the game.

ZoS are getting money out of us, as long as that continues they'll see no need to listen to our concerns.

We need a Furniture Storage that works just like the Craft Bag, and just about every house in the game needs its item limit doubling or trebling.

I have Forsake Stronghold as my main. The Item Cap was hit with just the following: Main Bedroom - Complete, Kitchen - Half Complete, Exterior - Half Complete, rest - barely touched.

All The Best

Sturmfaenger · August 2019

They already said that a furniture bag won't be possible. The reason was something like 'in the crafting bag a fixed number of items only stacks higher and higher, but in a furniture bag, the number of different furniture items themselves is rising constantly too'.

And I bet all that if they read this thread, all that it will be remembered by it is "costumers buy new homes to use as furniture storage - lets sell them lots of big expensive new homes."

Sorry if that sounds cynical, but if I read an enthusiastic zos answer on making the wind chimes louder, and all the other urgent problems that we as a housing community have are largely ignored, one gets cynical.

Jagdkommando · August 2019

@ZOS_GinaBruno read this

alenae1b14_ESO · August 2019

We need a furniture storage solution. This is needed sooner rather than later, I'm still annoyed regarding the reasoning presented to us as to why housing slots are not being added.

I would like to deconstruct unused/unwanted and unsellable furniture and get materials back, have more storage boxes and an increase in the housing slot allowance so I can properly furnish my houses.

I'm already paying for ESO PLUS so I can have the crafting bag. If I can't put anymore furniture in my houses a/c there are not enough furniture slots I have to store the furniture somewhere... Bank is used for some, different theme houses for some, alternate characters hold specific styles, all my storage chests are at capacity.

It's becoming a nightmare and not fun to try and find items.

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zaria · August 2019

Sturmfaenger wrote: »

They already said that a furniture bag won't be possible. The reason was something like 'in the crafting bag a fixed number of items only stacks higher and higher, but in a furniture bag, the number of different furniture items themselves is rising constantly too'.

And I bet all that if they read this thread, all that it will be remembered by it is "costumers buy new homes to use as furniture storage - lets sell them lots of big expensive new homes."

Sorry if that sounds cynical, but if I read an enthusiastic zos answer on making the wind chimes louder, and all the other urgent problems that we as a housing community have are largely ignored, one gets cynical.

First part is correct, crafting bag is easy as its just item ID and number of items.
Furniture bag will work just as bank or storage chests.

Second not so much they give away houses with high furniture count who people can use to store furniture.
And yes this is not only more clunky than an container, it also eat up more resources as they have to store position of funiture and load an unload house instance

Grianasteri · August 2019

therift wrote: »

No Furniture Storage Bag = No Buying Crown Store Furnishing Packs.

Add Furniture Storage Bag = therift will buy Crown Store Furnishing Packs.

I do not have the space to store, the permission to sell, nor the ability to deconstruct extra/unwanted Furnishing Pack items. Therefore development of a Furniture Storage Bag = Make More Money.

Totally agree, at one point I thought about purchasing 4 or furnishing packs at once, to really go to town and kit out one of my houses, but I soon realised, what would I do with all the excess gear? Pointless. A big investment to end up with very real hassle trying to manage inventories.

Elara_Northwind · August 2019

Cireous wrote: »

I can relate to everything in that video, only I have 10 storage houses instead of 5. Should nothing change, in only a few years time, I will have most of the houses and 80% of them will be storage only.

Please Zenimax, please find a way to relinquish our furnishings and make them available to us within the house we are decorating. Lugging furntiture from all over the place is not fun at all, in fact, it's super frustrating. I can't think of any other game that makes you do this.

Please free these beautiful lots up from storage oblivion so we can make them into something special again.

*Begging*

Oh wow!

I can't even imagine how difficult it is for you with 10! It's really depressing, buying houses that you love and not being able to decorate them

It's something that really should have been thought about before housing was even released, in my opinion!

Elara_Northwind · August 2019

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Elara_Northwind wrote: »

We are the people spending obscene amounts of money in game, not on a one time purchase of a limited mount or a cute pet, we are the ones who keep coming back, sometimes buying the same items several times, buying limited homes when they are released. We are making money for you, ZOS, so why are we always ignored, why are our concerns never addressed and brushed under the carpet time and time again?

Well, we are ignored precisely because we keep spending money on the game.

ZoS are getting money out of us, as long as that continues they'll see no need to listen to our concerns.

We need a Furniture Storage that works just like the Craft Bag, and just about every house in the game needs its item limit doubling or trebling.

I have Forsake Stronghold as my main. The Item Cap was hit with just the following: Main Bedroom - Complete, Kitchen - Half Complete, Exterior - Half Complete, rest - barely touched.

All The Best

That is so true! The same goes for the enormous homes, which are impossible to decorate with 700 items! Why would ZOS make smaller houses available (which cost less) or do anything serious about item limits when they are still making their money from them...

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · August 2019

Housing Bag just like the Crafting Bag...problem solved.

Elara_Northwind · August 2019

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

Housing Bag just like the Crafting Bag...problem solved.

I so wish they would do this... I know they say there are problems with it, but even if it were not unlimited, but just 2000 items or something, I think it would make most decorators have a heart attack from happiness 😂

Number_51 · August 2019

Someone on your YouTube channel mentioned using a new type of chest for storage. If crafting bag-like storage can't be done I think that's the next best option. A new type of chest that can only store furniture, up to maybe 1000 item limit each, but you can have an unlimited number of them. If they also work like current chests I think you do have access to use furniture items stored in them if they are placed in the house you're currently decorating.

DMBCML · August 2019

therift wrote: »

No Furniture Storage Bag = No Buying Crown Store Furnishing Packs.

Add Furniture Storage Bag = therift will buy Crown Store Furnishing Packs.

I do not have the space to store, the permission to sell, nor the ability to deconstruct extra/unwanted Furnishing Pack items. Therefore development of a Furniture Storage Bag = Make More Money.

This is how I feel. I just look at furniture packs and think, "Oh well, it's nice but I have no where to keep it". As it is I have furniture hanging in the air above one of my houses now. I hate that I have to go back and forth to work on the other homes. I actually stopped buying homes and furniture because of this storage issue.

Gandrhulf_Harbard · August 2019

Elara_Northwind wrote: »

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

Housing Bag just like the Crafting Bag...problem solved.

I so wish they would do this... I know they say there are problems with it, but even if it were not unlimited, but just 2000 items or something, I think it would make most decorators have a heart attack from happiness 😂

The ONLY problem with it is they don't want to do it.

In terms of database management, my 12 year old nephew could do it.

If ZoS can't figure out how to do it they could ask Bioware, SWTOR has it already.

If they want a way to monetise this (as they always do) have it only available to players who have purchased a House for Crowns.

All The Best

Elara_Northwind · August 2019

Number_51 wrote: »

Someone on your YouTube channel mentioned using a new type of chest for storage. If crafting bag-like storage can't be done I think that's the next best option. A new type of chest that can only store furniture, up to maybe 1000 item limit each, but you can have an unlimited number of them. If they also work like current chests I think you do have access to use furniture items stored in them if they are placed in the house you're currently decorating.

That would be a really great idea! They definitely need to do something!

FrancisCrawford · August 2019

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

In terms of database management, my 12 year old nephew could do it.

I doubt your nephew has written systems that scale to millions of users.

It may be no exaggeration to say that I am the world's single harshest or most visible critic of ESO's database engineering. But let's not go to the other extreme.

solasub · August 2019

We need more slots in houses ; especially the biggest ones ; large houses, with some still empty rooms, where we cannot even add a carrot when we go max ; that is ridiculous. For me, I stopped buy houses / furniture packs because the amount of slot is just RIDICULOUS ; and I don't even speak about the slots for pets/ mounts/ service ; I stopped buy pets because of that. we are repeating the same things for YEARS with no answer.
If they sell tokens to increase the furniture slots YES I WILL SPEND MONEY FOR IT.

bluebird · August 2019

Totally agree! I realize that this is very much a first world problem 'Aw I have too many leftover furnishings from my many many housing projects that I can't store them all in my numerous free storage houses'

but it's a legit issue and it's indeed frustrating as you said.

I have all storage chests and double bank space from ESO+ but with all the gear sets and extra bits and bobs, there really isn't more room for many furnishings. This issue is exacerbated by the fact that Bound and not-Bound furnishings don't stack. Like, I'm really sorry that one of those candles came with my house, and one of them I crafted myself, because now Tythis has to carry two identical candles in two separate slots. It's nuts.

They should just make Crown Store furnishings unbound and tradable. We can already gift Furnishings to other players (essentially exchanging Crown Store items for gold) so they should really make Crown Store items tradable as normal. It would cut down on the scams too but I digress.

And the worst part is, not only do they not help lessen this problem, but they add to it with their many 'Limited Time' sales. The luxury furnisher is a huge contributor to my furniture storage, as the 'limited time, buy it now' mentality incentivizes hoarding. I have a huge pile of Clockwork crap in one of my houses, even though I'm nowehere near getting started on a Clockwork build.

Same with the Limited Time furnishing offers... I bought the limited time Dwemer pack because I liked the items, but it's so frustrating that I have to purchase it ahead of time so it just takes up slots in my storage houses, instead of just being able to purchase it when I have room or when I'm actually working on that project - but nooo can't do that, limited time y'all!!!

Anyway... I agree with your 'Rant' and support your ideas. I'd persoanlly wouldn't want the 'deconstruct' solution, just some manner of storing revamp... Pls ZOS...