If you are drunk it is easiest one to play.

Well I am interested in both PvE and PvP but so far the comments show a quite dark picture of the class.

They are one of the worst pve classes and have been there for a long time, but it's not a massive difference unless you're concerned with leaderboard scores. They're relatively hard to play, and one of the worst to do vMA on.

In PVP I had more luck playing my stamplar as a sniper than melee. They can have a lot of damage at least.

On the other hand, Stamia Templar Healer might be possible next patch, at least for 4-man content, although it's missing some non-curcumstantial burst heal potential.

So you can walk in with medium armor (heavy armor outfit override) and a 2h and be that Paladin/Knight with melee and good group healing that I've seen people talk about wanting before.

In PvP, the purge counters the one weakness of stamina builds... Defiles. Dot pressure next patch will be up and purge saves the day there. Stamplar also stacks some of the easiest burst in game and has access to two rare buffs, minor fracture and minor mending which are both invaluable.

Long story short, if you can play low sustain builds you have massive power and if you build sustain, you'll have a similar power to other Stam builds (and greater than mag excluding sorc) on an easier setup.

In PvP it is therefore very powerful and easier to play so long as you aren't a beginner level struggling to rotate a few buffs.

In PvE it is so bad it isn't even worth talking about.

Advice? Make a stamplar PvPer and make a different class for pve

puddle wrote: »

Thank you, everyone, for all the answers I guess I will play something else and keep hoping that at some point they will buff stamplar.

The correct decision, unfortunately.

My first and most-played character is a Stamplar, and it is by far my favorite. But long ago I gave up on my Stamplar for vet trials and converted her to PvP. I still run vet dungeons in my PvP gear for fun; I do very well in Cyrodiil, but the main reason I do so is because of more than 5,000 hours of experience with the class.

As others noted above, Stamplar is a class that is difficult to master. It can be very strong in PvP if you spend the time. The hours expended to achieve mastery, however, would be better spent on another build spec, simply because nearly every other stam spec will deliver more bang for the buck.

puddle wrote: »

Hey, I always liked the paladin type characters so I am curious how is Stamina Templar doing now and how will the next patch affect them?

Stamplar is perfectly fine, issue is the NB crybabies do not know how to play one. Many those examples above.
(check some of the above posters previous posts, you will see then in NB crying discussions)
Next patch going to be even better, getting AOE major fracture from caltrops, something the rest had already to some extent (eg DK, NB single target, Warden AOE etc).


My take is to play what ever you like. Also would advice get as many SP as possible. You will find with 2h & bow and Heavy Armour, is one of the easiest melee (sub)classes to solo non DLC vet dungeons for the fun and farming gear. And fits your "paladin" type idea you have in mind.

DW with medium armour is pretty good also. And same applies to tanks or PVP.

And if you are fed up tomorrow with the toon, you can make him a healer or one of the best magicka damage dealers in game.

Even with no meta gear and an imperfect rotation, a stamplar can do north of 50k single-target in vet dungeons and even better than that in trials. You can carry most group dungeons just fine with that kind of dps, and it’s more than capable of contributing its share to vet trials.

If you’re looking for a class that will do high damage when played well, then stamplar does very nicely. It really comes down to what you’re going to find fun so you invest the time to learn.

If you like to role play as a pve dps, then stamplar is perfect for you

I feel like my Stamplar is well rounded. It is my main PvP character and I only switch out my monster set for PvE. Very low maintenance.

I'm at a bit of a loss where to go next patch. Ravager with my Stamplar in PVP has always been mine/our staple. The Ravager changes look a bit convoluted but maybe with judicious use of potl, caltrops and maybe a back barred resistance weakening enchant it might still be viable?

I ran in Cyrodiil yesterday with Essence Thief but despite the awesome buffs it offers it made my mind melt trying to grab those pools in x situations.

Stamplar in PvP can be incredibly strong. PotL creates some massive burst potential and allows you to stack Minor/Major Fracture if you're willing to sacrifice a skill slot, (i.e., slotting Puncture if you run S&B, etc.); once you get used to the timing, it offers some fantastic burst opportunities. You also have access to the best purge in the game, and while sustain can be lacklustre it is somewhat redeemed by Restoring Focus, (which also allows you to sustain through block), and Repentance.

In my experience, Stamplar suffers in class healing. The removal of Major Mending way back was a big hit for Stamplar, and our damage mitigation/incoming heals are quite underwhelming when compared to those of other Stamina specs. Ritual gives some HoTs but competent players will try and force you out of your house - it's an expensive skill, so while it is immensely powerful, (even more so in the context of Stamina specs), it is a costly and thus difficult skill to utilise well. Bear in mind that healing difficulties/the lack of a consistent burst heal applies more to Heavy Armour specs due to Forward Momentum being slotted instead of Rally, so next patch this won't be as much of an issue.

Stamplar benefits a lot from skills/potions that offer Major Expedition, as Jabs is in effect a self-snare while channelling. As a channelled spammable, it is important that each tick hits and thus deft movement and skilful aim is rewarded; increased speed helps this dramatically. With regards to Jabs itself, I have a love-hate relationship with it. It's a great spammable but can be pretty frustrating to work with sometimes, and if you're used to instant-cast spammables then the channel time might be difficult to adjust to, (i.e., it can't be animation cancelled; for full effect, it requires all ticks to land as opposed to one big one; the time you spend channelling is time you don't spend healing/blocking/roll-dodging/buffing, etc.).

In my experience, PvP Stamplar is a shock if you're used to other classes, and it has quite a high skill floor that will take time and perseverance to reach. Once you break through that initial learning stage, however, the class becomes a lot of fun to play - it is a challenge, and I absolutely believe that it is one of the most punishing Stamina specs to learn and among the hardest to master, but it's without a doubt my favourite class. Its toolkit is fantastic and directly addresses many of Stamina's most pressing weaknesses; damage-wise, Stamplar's burst is massive - once you learn how to properly time your burst window(s), you can pull off some utterly ridiculous combos. It's a tricky class to make work, though its power has been showcased for years by experienced and extremely skilled Stamplar mains who absolutely clean house with it. PvP Stamplar is the reason I fell in love with the class and now main it, and I definitely recommend trying it out.

PvE Stamplar is... kinda meh, (compared to other Stamina specs). Having said that, it still has some very nice damage and its strengths should not be overlooked. PotL/Minor Fracture provides some fantastic group utility that can help boost group DpS that little bit further, and Jabs as a conal AoE spammable gives Stamplar some really nice AoE capacity; Jabs being a source of Major Savagery also ensures that it has a 100% uptime in combat, without the need to slot a skill specifically to provide the buff. To be really pedantic, Repentance's group burst-heal can on occasion be useful, and the ability to slot Spear Shards gives Stamplar some additional utility, (this is useful, especially if the healer(s) are non-Templar).

In PvE, while true that we're the worst of the Stamina classes in terms of damage and are quite awkward regarding sustain, (if you aren't running Repentance), Stamplar does offer some excellent group utility that should not be underestimated. It can still more than pull its weight in pretty much all content, though keep in mind that next patch our status as worst Stam DpS is not likely to change.

Robo_Hobo wrote: »

On the other hand, Stamia Templar Healer might be possible next patch, at least for 4-man content, although it's missing some non-curcumstantial burst heal potential.

So you can walk in with medium armor (heavy armor outfit override) and a 2h and be that Paladin/Knight with melee and good group healing that I've seen people talk about wanting before.

Pretty much this. It’s looking like healers will be losing a lot of their value next week, so many trial groups may decrease to one healer (a Warden) and dungeon groups zero. However, the Minor Fracture and Breach from Power of the Light will still be required, leaving an opening for a Stamplar. Off-heals will also be important, and Stamplar is one of the best builds for this, with Vigor, Ring of Preservation, Ritual of Retribution, Repentence, and Bone Shield. Debatable if the build is considered a healer or DPS if they slot even half of these skills, but I think it will have a place in groups.

In regards to PvE, unless you're competing to be the best (in one of maybe 3-4 groups across any server), then it doesn't matter what you play as long as you can keep up with your group. Stamplar is fine for any content and will only be stronger (than they currently are, but not in comparison to other classes) next patch. Not sure how I feel about a flurry/dot spam stamplar but whatever. They can still do plenty of damage.