Have you received harassment from others due to ESO Logs?
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Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, I have received harassment in some form due to others looking at my logsLadyNalcarya wrote: »When the Combat Logging feature was announced many players voiced their worry that they would experience harassment due to other players being able to view their logs. They expressed concern that their names would be blacklisted on Reddit, other players would harass them after dungeons, and pug trial groups would kick them.
So out of curiosity now that the feature has been live for weeks, has anyone actually experienced any of those things?
I've seen it happen a couple of times.
Is there any evidence of those Reddit blacklists? Or anything more serious that occasional hate whispers?
Last time I saw it happen: both DPS were asking for a medium monster helmet so the healer said he would trade the helmet to which ever DPS had the highest parse. It didn't go well from there.
Not sure if there were any hate whispers involved (probably). I did ask the healer how he/she knew what their parses were and they said they were using that ESO Logs thing.
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LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, I have not received harassment in any form due to others looking at my logsLadyNalcarya wrote: »When the Combat Logging feature was announced many players voiced their worry that they would experience harassment due to other players being able to view their logs. They expressed concern that their names would be blacklisted on Reddit, other players would harass them after dungeons, and pug trial groups would kick them.
So out of curiosity now that the feature has been live for weeks, has anyone actually experienced any of those things?
I've seen it happen a couple of times.
Is there any evidence of those Reddit blacklists? Or anything more serious that occasional hate whispers?
Last time I saw it happen: both DPS were asking for a medium monster helmet so the healer said he would trade the helmet to which ever DPS had the highest parse. It didn't go well from there.
Not sure if there were any hate whispers involved (probably). I did ask the healer how he/she knew what their parses were and they said they were using that ESO Logs thing.
Well long before ESO logs I witnessed a duel for AY dagger (or was it Twice-Fanged? Not sure).
When there's rare loot, there's competition.
If both dds were pugs, there's not much you can do to decide who gets the loot. Would it be "more fair" if the healer didnt have logs and would just give it to the highest cp player? Or, idk, someone with a fancier outfit?Edited by LadyNalcarya on June 23, 2019 12:31PMDro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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Sansoul✭✭✭LeagueTroll wrote: »Cage_Lizardman wrote: »However, as I pointed out above, some of the raiders that were circling the wagons to protect these logs said people would not be stopping in the middle of a run to upload the logs so it is not something that will be an issue and they have not been proven wrong. If they will do it for normal craglorn trials we will find some doing it in dungeons. It is silly to think otherwise.
I've yet to see anyone doing this in a dungeon. Horribad players are still getting kicked in harder dungeons and you don't need esologs to tell who's being bad. Also if someone wants to harass people simply for having bad dps, they don't need esologs to do it. Half of vet pugs probably have a dd doing about 10k. Harassing all of them would be a full-time job.
I'm sure this guy thought he was being harassed, but some people just can't take some polite advice. He introduces himself with a whisper after a vRoM pug was abandoned by everyone but him:
[17:17] @xxxxxxxx: u stupid?
[17:18] Cage_Lizardman: nope
[17:21] Cage_Lizardman: i'd recommend 20k dps for vet dlc dungeons btw
[17:21] @xxxxxxxx: Want to *** me at least be good im pulling 40% of grp dmg ***
[17:22] Cage_Lizardman: this is a necro, i'm still learning to play
[17:22] Cage_Lizardman: still had twice the damage you had
[17:22] @xxxxxxxx: Go on chat some more ***
[17:22] @xxxxxxxx: nah kid
[17:22] Cage_Lizardman: https://www.esologs.com/reports/DRVWZzvA6T3KJQX8/#fight=last&type=damage-done&phase=2
[17:23] @xxxxxxxx: you cant pull 80% grp dmg if im pulling 40
[17:23] @xxxxxxxx: dumb *** do the math
[17:23] Cage_Lizardman: shouldn't you go back to school and learn what math means before using such words?
[17:24] @xxxxxxxx: Oh im sorry i didn't relise you cant do simple maths. 40 = 80 = 120
[17:24] @xxxxxxxx: you weren't doing double
[17:24] @xxxxxxxx: you cant do 120% dmg
[17:24] @xxxxxxxx: if i was 40% healer and tank make up myb 30 between that means you did 30%
[17:25] @xxxxxxxx: So yh i do know maths now stfu kid
[17:25] Cage_Lizardman: those aren't exactly the numbers i'm seeing
[17:25] @xxxxxxxx: cause your stupid
I'm guessing combat metrics is less accurate than Esologs and that's what he was looking at when he thought he was doing 40%? Mine was saying about 60%.
I really like the data you get from esologs. I've been uploading just about everything to compare, try to understand it and see what I can learn from it. I don't have the best dps, but I'm not worried about what someone else thinks about my skill at a game and think the transparency is interesting.
As the tank I won’t have a clue, and i saw this too often, srsly zos, just display it all the time already.
Please post the names of people who behave like this so the rest of us can put them on ignore. I have zero tolerance for people like this.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭OtherCage_Lizardman wrote: »However, as I pointed out above, some of the raiders that were circling the wagons to protect these logs said people would not be stopping in the middle of a run to upload the logs so it is not something that will be an issue and they have not been proven wrong. If they will do it for normal craglorn trials we will find some doing it in dungeons. It is silly to think otherwise.
I've yet to see anyone doing this in a dungeon. Horribad players are still getting kicked in harder dungeons and you don't need esologs to tell who's being bad. Also if someone wants to harass people simply for having bad dps, they don't need esologs to do it. Half of vet pugs probably have a dd doing about 10k. Harassing all of them would be a full-time job.
I'm sure this guy thought he was being harassed, but some people just can't take some polite advice. He introduces himself with a whisper after a vRoM pug was abandoned by everyone but him:
[17:17] @xxxxxxxx: u stupid?
[17:18] Cage_Lizardman: nope
[17:21] Cage_Lizardman: i'd recommend 20k dps for vet dlc dungeons btw
[17:21] @xxxxxxxx: Want to *** me at least be good im pulling 40% of grp dmg ***
[17:22] Cage_Lizardman: this is a necro, i'm still learning to play
[17:22] Cage_Lizardman: still had twice the damage you had
[17:22] @xxxxxxxx: Go on chat some more ***
[17:22] @xxxxxxxx: nah kid
[17:22] Cage_Lizardman: https://www.esologs.com/reports/DRVWZzvA6T3KJQX8/#fight=last&type=damage-done&phase=2
[17:23] @xxxxxxxx: you cant pull 80% grp dmg if im pulling 40
[17:23] @xxxxxxxx: dumb *** do the math
[17:23] Cage_Lizardman: shouldn't you go back to school and learn what math means before using such words?
[17:24] @xxxxxxxx: Oh im sorry i didn't relise you cant do simple maths. 40 = 80 = 120
[17:24] @xxxxxxxx: you weren't doing double
[17:24] @xxxxxxxx: you cant do 120% dmg
[17:24] @xxxxxxxx: if i was 40% healer and tank make up myb 30 between that means you did 30%
[17:25] @xxxxxxxx: So yh i do know maths now stfu kid
[17:25] Cage_Lizardman: those aren't exactly the numbers i'm seeing
[17:25] @xxxxxxxx: cause your stupid
I'm guessing combat metrics is less accurate than Esologs and that's what he was looking at when he thought he was doing 40%? Mine was saying about 60%.
I really like the data you get from esologs. I've been uploading just about everything to compare, try to understand it and see what I can learn from it. I don't have the best dps, but I'm not worried about what someone else thinks about my skill at a game and think the transparency is interesting.
Why is it that all those trash talkers sound exactly the same, like they're going off a haters playbook. Call you a kid, tell you your bad, tell you to stfu if you reply etc.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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✭✭Just glad I'm on console.Australian on PS4 NA server.
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Neoealth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭OtherWhen the Combat Logging feature was announced many players voiced their worry that they would experience harassment due to other players being able to view their logs. They expressed concern that their names would be blacklisted on Reddit, other players would harass them after dungeons, and pug trial groups would kick them.
So out of curiosity now that the feature has been live for weeks, has anyone actually experienced any of those things?
Logs? What logs.0 -
DTStormfox✭✭✭✭✭OtherTruth is, you have to upload your own stats. If you don't want to be in the logs, don't upload your stats.0 -
Solinur✭✭✭No, I have not received harassment in any form due to others looking at my logsI love the logs. I find them very useful.@Solinur Pact EU - PC (Solinur: Templar - Magicka DD, Moves-like-Günther: Sorcerer - Stamina DD, Kinara Sol: Templar - Stamina DD, )
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Shantu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭OtherWhile I haven't really been what I would call harassed, as only an above average player, I have been judged and told I need to get better. I work hard to be average, can only do what I can do, and don't really appreciate a constant reminder of how I'm not as good as someone else. In that regard, these logs suck.3 -
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Name checks outLeagueTroll wrote: »LeagueTroll wrote: »Lol, the government argument is even worse.
Yikes, I missed that comment. It makes for a good objective lesson, though: it's not harassment to tell someone they're an idiot for deputising Joseph Goebbels into their argument, it's calling a spade a spade.
If I trigger a dungeon boss too soon and wipe the whole group out because I'm a dumbshmuck, calling me a dumbshmuck it perfectly warranted and is no way any kind of harassment.
Edit: typographical error.
I don’t care about ppl get harassed one bit.
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Partomax✭✭✭No, I have not received harassment in any form due to others looking at my logsLadyNalcarya wrote: »When the Combat Logging feature was announced many players voiced their worry that they would experience harassment due to other players being able to view their logs. They expressed concern that their names would be blacklisted on Reddit, other players would harass them after dungeons, and pug trial groups would kick them.
So out of curiosity now that the feature has been live for weeks, has anyone actually experienced any of those things?
I've seen it happen a couple of times.
Is there any evidence of those Reddit blacklists? Or anything more serious that occasional hate whispers?
Last time I saw it happen: both DPS were asking for a medium monster helmet so the healer said he would trade the helmet to which ever DPS had the highest parse. It didn't go well from there.
Not sure if there were any hate whispers involved (probably). I did ask the healer how he/she knew what their parses were and they said they were using that ESO Logs thing.
So what you're saying is that you were harassed because someone rewarded the player who performed that function better and that player happened to not be you?PC/EU - This is a signature1 -
Runefang✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, I have not received harassment in any form due to others looking at my logsLadyNalcarya wrote: »When the Combat Logging feature was announced many players voiced their worry that they would experience harassment due to other players being able to view their logs. They expressed concern that their names would be blacklisted on Reddit, other players would harass them after dungeons, and pug trial groups would kick them.
So out of curiosity now that the feature has been live for weeks, has anyone actually experienced any of those things?
I've seen it happen a couple of times.
Is there any evidence of those Reddit blacklists? Or anything more serious that occasional hate whispers?
Last time I saw it happen: both DPS were asking for a medium monster helmet so the healer said he would trade the helmet to which ever DPS had the highest parse. It didn't go well from there.
Not sure if there were any hate whispers involved (probably). I did ask the healer how he/she knew what their parses were and they said they were using that ESO Logs thing.
Doesn't sound like the logs had anything to do with it. Two people wanted the same drop, the one who didn't get it was salty.0 -
zaria✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, I have not received harassment in any form due to others looking at my logs
Guess it works like combat metrics, the one uploading see all effect on himself and on the boss and other enemies he hit.DTStormfox wrote: »Truth is, you have to upload your own stats. If you don't want to be in the logs, don't upload your stats.
So it will see your damage and debuffs on boss, not your self buffs.
Not sure how players show up on log as never used it.Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
DPShiro✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, I have received harassment in some form due to others looking at my logsI feel harassed and violated beyond salvation that I don’t have this feature on console.~ Gryphon Heart ~
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