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Bot Farmers in Khenarthi's Roost, Betnikh (starter zones)

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So there appears to be a bunch of macro using bot farmers in the starter zones on PS4... they are killing the quality of life for newer players seeking to farm nodes.

They ARE farming nodes, and you see them hit their menu buttons after each node, and are instantly at the next node spawn - and there is NO chance for you to beat them to a node... even if you wait for it... they have it perfectly time on spawns.

What are ZOS doing about this? It' appears very little... we NEED GAMEMASTERS NOW!!! Otherwise all the newer players in these zones stand no chance.
  • BoudiccaStormborn
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    I've seen those, too. And reported them (PS4). And they're still there.
  • Kalik_Gold
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    Reported also.
    Ras Kalik | Redguard - Templar
    Jux Blackheart | Redguard - Nightblade
    Aurik Siet'ka | Redguard - Necromancer
    Cacique the Sage of Ius | Redguard - Warden
    Goliath of Hammerfell | Redguard - Dragonknight
    Kaotik Von Dae'mon | Redguard Breton - Sorcerer [Healer]
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    Tyrus Septim | Imperial - Sorcerer [PvE Damage]
    Cinan Tharn | Imperial - Dragonknight [PvE Tank]
    Herzog Zwei the Genesis | Breton - Templar [PvE Healer]
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    Ras Kalik the Vestige, a renown Redguard Paladin and wielder of Chrysamere; has been blessed to save Nirn from Molag Bal’s destructive Planemeld while reuniting the Five Companions. Further accomplishments, he has also stopped the destruction of Morrowind, Clockwork City and returned order to the isle of Summerset. These events have made him a living legend and continue to lead him into new adventures throughout Tamriel, as well as into the hearts of many ladies including the Elf Queen, Aryenn. (not only Sai Sahan has a secret snowflake!)

    Over years of adventurous travels, Ras Kalik had become a loner, until he visited his homeland of Alik'r. Alik'r and it's cities were overrun by undead Ra-Netu and therefore he made an allegiance with Alik'r's own Ash'abah tribe. These Ash'abah cleansed the city of Sentinel in Alik'r desert and it's surrounding areas of the undead brought to life by the Withered Hand. Cacique the Sage of Ius a Shaman mystic who has become attuned spiritually with Tu'whacca (a Redguard God) and Ius (the God of animals) leads this group. The shaman recites a ritualistic daily ancestral prayer at sunrise. Kalik can sense the prayers of Cacique, even when he whispers it in the loneliest place in the desert to keep the tribe safe before battle. After rescuing Sentinel, King Fahara’jad’s personal bodyguard the Goliath of Hammerfell, which was given this name by Imperials in the region; asked to join the tribe after learning of the defeat of the Withered Hand to the Ash'abah. Kalik promised Goliath he would task him with clearing delves and dungeons when necessary. Jux Blackheart a master thief that frequents the Sisters of the Sands inn for pilfering, was known to infiltrate any bank vault or Ayelid ruin without detection, but Kalik can vividly recall the night he met the thief. Jux found himself rummaging thru a slightly inebriated Kalik’s pocket for too long, on a full-mooned night and because of this greed. He lost two fingertips as a lesson! Cacique performed the dressing on Jux's wounds and convinced him on joining the tribe and to give up his criminal past. Last but not least, Kaotik Von’Daemon an outcast, and half-caste between a Breton mother and Redguard father. Kaotik become a pariah due to his conjuration of Daedra pets. He was taught magic during his childhood years by his Breton mother. His father due to Redguard customs exiled him from the desert, sending him by wagon to Wrothgar. He happened to meet Kalik while traveling from Alik'r to Wrothgar when the caravan he was in was ambushed in Bangkorai by a group of bandits. Kalik by chance was also traveling thru this area on his Auridon warhorse (which was bestowed to him by his friend, Darien Gautier). During this ambush, Kalik was able to rescue five hostages from the bandits. Kaotik was the first rescued, and Ras Kalik also recruited him to be in the Ash'abah tribe. These core Ash'abah tribesmen may never be seen together in travel as they partake in their own adventures but they always know what each other is doing; as they frequent a hideout in Sentinel's inn. Their hideout apartment, is kept watch by Nuzhimeh and she passes messages written between them, and frequently they also enjoy her company and her bed.

    The other men rescued were a Dunmer, a Breton and two Imperials. The Imperials were related to Abnur Tharn the Battlemage of the Imperial Elder Council (Ras Kalik's mentor in the Five Companions). Cinan Tharn is Abnur's drunkard treasure hunting illegitimate son, that was caught smuggling artifacts out of the Ayleid ruins in Cyrodiil and the elder Imperial Tyrus Septim is a scholar and advisor to the Tharn family. The Dunmer captive shackled to the Imperials looked familiar to Kalik from his time in Morrowind.... and he recognized him as Tythis Andromo a House Telvanni slave-owner and banker from Vvardenfell. During a rough interrogation to Tythis, Ras Kalik learnt why the bandits accosted him. The racist Dunmer was providing slaves as soldiers for the Three Banner War. The bandits were trying to negotiate a lucrative ransom for Andromo and the Imperials.... Kalik did not need any of this gold and he could never set Tythis free as he did with the two Imperials. His past involvement with slavery and war crimes, made Kalik's blood boil. He chose not to execute Tythis, as he figured the worse punishment for this former rich and opulent slave owner, is to now be a manservant for Ras Kalik and the tribe.

    Herzog Zwei the Genesis a half-Redguard, half-Breton and also a prominent member of a Cult of Xivkyn worshipers, was seeking to purchase an artifact from Cinan Tharn, before their capture. This artifact being an Ayelid artifact; the sword Sinweaver. After their rescue and the exchange of gold to Cinan for the sword he decided to slip away before Ras Kalik could question who he was, and why the Xivkyn worshippers wanted that sword. Herzog was headed to Nagastani — An Ayleid ruin in eastern Cyrodiil. He had heard rumors that the Sword would give him magical powers to become a Xivkyn, if he performed an Ayleid ritual at an old shrine hidden there. Equipped with the artifact sword, he was off to start his own adventure. Ras Kalik did indeed notice the sword however, an sent a letter to Jux Blackheart (whom also was interested in Ayleid treasures), to attempt to find Herzog and acquire the sword. (*Azani Blackheart in Elder Scroll's Oblivion is Jux's descendant some 747 years later)

    And so the Redguard, Imperial and Breton men have parted ways for now... While Ras Kalik is off to Elsweyr to encounter the latest threat to Tamriel, with Abnur Tharn - - DRAGONS!! He doesn't know a necromancer survived his attack on the Withered Hand, in Alik'r and the one known as Auriek Siet'ka is also following him to the land of the Khajiits.
  • Rittings
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    It's rendering all the starter zones as void of being able to farm nodes. If these bot farmers start to spread beyond those zones (which are purposely ripe for new players - who are being discouraged from crafting because they can't get the mats they need thanks to bot farmers) then the game will eventually be corrupted and farming completely destroyed.
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    @ZOS_BillE @ZOS_GinaBruno - Have any plans to deal with them? I honestly think you need gamemasters in there. They are utterly ruining the new gamer's experience... which ultimately will hurt your customer base.

    Here's a video of them...

  • Rittings
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    All it's going to take, is trace where the mats go to (which account) and finder their outlet source (the player that is selling the mats) - and bring down the ban hammer on that IP.
  • Rittings
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    Still getting ignored by Zenimax... if I were pulling this cheat, I'd have been perma banned within a day or two...

    THIS is why no player can get a single node in ANY of the starter zones - and just wait - I've seen a few of these seeping into the other zones now too... soon node farming will be completely bot farmed...

  • Turelus
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    Best that can be done is to report them all.

    Might also be worth trying to report the accounts to Sony as they're no doubt breaking Sony's rules as well.
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    Turelus wrote: »
    Best that can be done is to report them all.

    Might also be worth trying to report the accounts to Sony as they're no doubt breaking Sony's rules as well.

    They just make more accounts. Which is why Zenimax need to be proactive about putting gamemasters out there and insta booting and banning in instances. They need better detection of bots in their coding too...

    I remember seeing Gamemasters at Alik'r dolmens booting players for rubber banding - and really and truly, that wasn't ruining anyone's experience... players like that were just genuine players trying to level... these bots are very much breaking the gaming experience for players (especially newer players). But ... crickets chirping is all we are getting.
  • Turelus
    Turelus
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    Rittings wrote: »
    Turelus wrote: »
    Best that can be done is to report them all.

    Might also be worth trying to report the accounts to Sony as they're no doubt breaking Sony's rules as well.

    They just make more accounts. Which is why Zenimax need to be proactive about putting gamemasters out there and insta booting and banning in instances. They need better detection of bots in their coding too...

    I remember seeing Gamemasters at Alik'r dolmens booting players for rubber banding - and really and truly, that wasn't ruining anyone's experience... players like that were just genuine players trying to level... these bots are very much breaking the gaming experience for players (especially newer players). But ... crickets chirping is all we are getting.
    From conversations I've had with ZOS staff they actually bad a lot of bots on a daily basis, however the issue they face is new ones are made almost instantly.
    I don't know what their detection or monitoring systems are like, but it seems they do rely heavily on help from players reporting them.
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  • Hämähäkki
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    Turelus wrote: »
    Best that can be done is to report them all.

    Might also be worth trying to report the accounts to Sony as they're no doubt breaking Sony's rules as well.

    Neither ZOS cares nor Sony. I reported so many Bots in the past years and nothing happens.

    What is most annoying for me is, that ZOS doesn't even bother to say anything about it. So I agree with OP here that we need a GM ingame, all the time and not just once
  • Rittings
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    Yeah, the problem with reporting them is this - it's SLOW!!

    Let's say a player needs some mats, and wants to farm them - starter zones are a good source (the bot farmers know this) and so newer players face stronger enemies if they choose a different zone - plus, they are often more spread out and slower farms.

    So the player heads to Betnikh - sees a bunch of bots and can't get a node. Reports them... a day later, the bot is banned, but the player benefits how? There might be a five minute window to farm but no way of knowing when that will be before the new bots move in. So... the player finds it fruitless to report them. Apathy sets in... game gets deleted.

    I've seen this time and time again.

    So... gamemasters sitting there can ban a bunch of bots instantly and make life incredibly hard for the bot farmers to keep up with them. They have to remain in the game for a long period (if not permanently). If Zenimax want to save this game from the corruption, they are going to have to suck it up and act... and act fast. I've spotted bots in Auridon, Glenumbra and Coldharbour today... it won't be long before no node in Tamriel becomes off limits for players... and by then, Zenimax have lost total control... and lost a bunch of players.
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    Still crickets... and they still are there.
  • devildog13_93
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    I am all for the return of game masters it would be nice to see zos on ground zero
  • Minyassa
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    Here's a fun thing about some of these bots...you can play with them. They are set to automatically loot the nearest lootable, and will move a short distance to go after one. So if you have a couple of hours to blow off and you're fed up with bots, do this: Go to Deshaan to the Forgotten Crypts dungeon, and do the quest in there, "A Bitter Pill". This will give you the Questionable Meatsack memento. Quickslot this and you can actually use it to bait the bots, they have to go after it. So you can lay down your Questionable Meatsack a little ways away from the node they're parked at, and they will go after it and grab it. Once you've practiced a bit and know your max distance that they'll go after, you can actually lure them away from nodes and into a monster's spawn point. They will auto-rez when killed, which means that you can park them on a monster and then sit back and watch them die and rez repeatedly, using up their soulstones and more importantly not looting nodes. Since they are afk, they only catch this when they come back to check up on things, and if they're going to keep botting they will have to leave their toon unsupervised again eventually.

    Edited by Minyassa on June 30, 2019 5:37AM
  • SirAndy
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    Minyassa wrote: »
    Here's a fun thing about some of these bots..
    That's fun for a minute but they'll be there 24/7 and you won't.

    Bottom line, ZOS has never cared about bots since i can remember, and i've been here for 6 years ...
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    Yeah, I've definitely done the questionable meat sack trick on them. It is funny for a few minutes... but when you realize how far spreading these bots are - you start to feel sad again lol.

    If Zenimax tracked where these bots are disposing of their mats to - and tracked them... they'd find the master account behind all of this. Because there must be a master account selling the mats... and ultimately, selling the gold on websites.

    One thing that might devalue what these bots are trying to do, is to introduce farming plots in our houses (even if they are crown store items). Little flower gardens for alchemy regents, vegetable patches for food etc...

    Heck, even a specific house that is either gold purchasable or crown exclusive that has a quarry etc that allows us to "tend" to it to make it thrive and yield greater results. I'd absolutely LOVE that - and the bonus is that bots can't go there!!

    I had a lowbie guildie come to me last night wanting me to help them make gear etc - but didn't have mats because every zone they went to a bot was farming it. I don't mind giving my mats to help lowbies - but I don't have an endless supply of the low end mats... and I ain't buying them to support the bots either. It's discouraging new players - and will only serve to hurt Zenimax's bottom line in the long run.
  • Hämähäkki
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    Rittings wrote: »
    the questionable meat sack trick on them.

    :D hahaha does that actually work? Do they really pick it up?

    I have to try this :D

  • Rittings
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    So we all get nerfed in the name of balance - but the bots NEVER get a nerf or the attention they thoroughly deserve? Come on Zenimax. Do you want cheating in your game or not?
  • ZoeZio
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    Still seeing a lot of bots there, even though i've reported them. It really bugs me, that zenimax doesn't give a damn about it!

    After looking up the psn-profiles, i found out that all of them are just for 'china-farming'. I wonder why sony also doesen't give a damn!

    I find the idea of 'meatsacking' those bots really funny. Seems like a good method of anger management against those bots :D
    Edited by ZoeZio on July 21, 2019 4:18PM
  • devildog13_93
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    Hey y'all post up in the discussion thread for improvements this is our time to shine about bit farmers and performance issues there.

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/487396/official-discussion-thread-for-esos-performance-improvements-plan#latest
    Edited by devildog13_93 on July 30, 2019 6:00PM
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