Fees only rise if players pay them. Don't want to pay, don't join those guilds. If enough people leave these huge guilds for smaller ones, the big guilds fall apart. On the other hand, as long as players pay the fees, the prices on traders will continue to climb.

If you don't like the system, do your part and join a smaller guild with no/low fees.

yes yes, im aware of the don't do it if blah blah!

im saying, can someone explain with numbers or proof of why fees MUST go up again?

ANIMAL FARM PEOPLE, THE PIGS ARE USED TO WALKING ON 2 LEGS!

one could argue, well..ghosts are dying so that increase can die...more profits for all!!!

Jhalin wrote: »

They’re gong up because a fallback system is being implemented.

With guilds being able to bid on 10 (if it doesn’t change) traders during the week, more gold is needed for those secondary location bids. With this new system, there will also be no more risk to tossing out bids on potential upgrade locations, meaning more competition for traders.

People keep saying this as if the guilds are going to be bidding millions on each spot. The large trade guilds will bid their millions on the preferred spot and as a back-up bid on spots that are not located in the best places. Bidding on back-up traders isn't going to make much of a dent in their gold.
I'm guessing the GMs of the big trade guilds will bid more than normal for a few weeks to stave off guilds looking to get lucky on a prime location. That won't last long though and shouldn't require an increase in dues.
Might be a few middle tier guilds increasing dues in hopes of moving up.

I know the fees went up in the trading guild I'm in do to the anticipation that it is going to cost more to keep our spot. Since guilds can bid on multiple spots, it's reasonable to assume plenty of guilds will bid on the good spots since they won't be screwed out of one for the week if they don't get it,

1. Guilds have reserves
2. You only when your top bid....which is also your most expensive bid...your first choice.
3. Other 9 bids are refunded.
4. No big guild is bidding on a small spot.
5. Ghosting is done.
6. Big guilds work together!

All this adds up to -->

If you lose your first spot...it's refunded and only the cheaper bid goes through. Guilds would get a secondary spot and have leftover money! This system, actually, should result in LOWERING of fees because the system has a builtin (if you sniped you get 9 insurance policies) component.

A temporary increase to build a reserve...maybe!

But not past a certain point.

Jhalin wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

They’re gong up because a fallback system is being implemented.

With guilds being able to bid on 10 (if it doesn’t change) traders during the week, more gold is needed for those secondary location bids. With this new system, there will also be no more risk to tossing out bids on potential upgrade locations, meaning more competition for traders.

People keep saying this as if the guilds are going to be bidding millions on each spot. The large trade guilds will bid their millions on the preferred spot and as a back-up bid on spots that are not located in the best places. Bidding on back-up traders isn't going to make much of a dent in their gold.
I'm guessing the GMs of the big trade guilds will bid more than normal for a few weeks to stave off guilds looking to get lucky on a prime location. That won't last long though and shouldn't require an increase in dues.
Might be a few middle tier guilds increasing dues in hopes of moving up.

It seems like we believe the same thing here.

The bump in bid pricing is to counteract potential competitors branching out to try for prime locations now that they have backup bids in case the challenge bids fails, whereas before they’d just be sol and disincentivized challenging bids.

I however, think those dues will still have to remain higher than normal, because that competition doesn’t go away. There will always be people trying to move up. To the extent people are reporting now? Probably not necessary unless you’re holding a mid-tier trader location, but I can understand it.

My thinking is the competition is going to eventually go away. Winning a top spot every week is expensive and it takes a very committed guild. Those top spots are top spot in part because of location but also because the guild keeps the trader filled. Over time they get a reputation of having a lot of items and players begin seeking them out. I know I have a couple of go to guilds for certain items that are not in one of the main hubs. The guild members I'm guessing do a lot of content that gives them the drops I am looking for. So I go there first.
In a social guild I am in we started getting a trader. First few weeks I was selling very little. Then sales picked up and a few times out performed my sales in a major trading guild. We lost our spot, got a different one the next week and sales went down. I believe keeping the same spot consistently is as important as the location.
Kind of wandered off track but back to the point. An up and coming guild is not going to see the same kind of sales as an established guild even if they take the established guilds spot. They are going to have to keep that spot for weeks and chances are will not have the funds to do it. The sales will not for them be worth the cost.

SugaComa wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

Back in the day, circa Morrowind expansion, one of the BIGGEST ps4 NA trading guilds i was in raised trader fees because of ghost guilds...

now that ghost guilds are going to die...

fees up again?

someone explain that to this poor soul!

were not doubling fee's because of lossing backups were doubling fees's because of the new multi-bid system forcing us too.

Rubbish ... Youre not forced to do multi bids and not only that you clearly have no clue how it works

If you have 10m gold you can bid that 10m on all multi store fronts

You can only win one so it only takes the money once if zos have designed it any other way then that's *** programming and we should boycott the whole damn system

You have completely missed the point, and you've already stated in another thread that your guilds do not hire kiosks. In fact, you stated you prefer to have 'open traders removed from the game'.

So, I'd say you're in no position at all to understand or condemn ezio's point. Please read this thread from the beginning to understand how actual trading guilds are wrestling with this change: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/482926/guild-bid-on-up-to-10-different-guild-trader-locations-each-week-with-update-23/p1

barney2525 wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Fees only rise if players pay them. Don't want to pay, don't join those guilds. If enough people leave these huge guilds for smaller ones, the big guilds fall apart. On the other hand, as long as players pay the fees, the prices on traders will continue to climb.

If you don't like the system, do your part and join a smaller guild with no/low fees.

you fail to mention the ' and no Trader ' part.

simply joining a smaller guild with no fees may not solve the problem if you actually want to sell something.

Not really. Not having a trader has never stopped anyone from selling in zone chat.

barney2525 wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Fees only rise if players pay them. Don't want to pay, don't join those guilds. If enough people leave these huge guilds for smaller ones, the big guilds fall apart. On the other hand, as long as players pay the fees, the prices on traders will continue to climb.

If you don't like the system, do your part and join a smaller guild with no/low fees.

you fail to mention the ' and no Trader ' part.

simply joining a smaller guild with no fees may not solve the problem if you actually want to sell something.

At least for now, I'm in 3 trade guilds. One has no fee whatsoever. The other two have minimum sales requirements (which I tend to meet on a weekly basis). So at least for me on PC/NA I have 3 trade guilds in very reasonable locations with no fee at all. Will this change in the future? Maybe. But none of my guilds have mentioned anything about adding mandatory fees with the new patch and if they do, there are still plenty of guilds with no fees for the time being.

If players on any given platform can't find a low/no fee trade guild, I do understand that is a rough situation. It's not something I've experienced on PC/NA though so I can only speak about what I see here.