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Elusiin✭✭✭✭✭If something was put in place to prevent spamming of cloak while in combat? I would not mind one bit..i main a nb.
Um...you're kidding, right?
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Magelight
Just one example of many.
Number of issues with this: Half the time cyrodil lag prevents it from working, while revealed, a simple roll dodge provides protection long enough for them to be able to recast cloak, spamming magelight eats magicka bar in very few casts not to mention you'll be using it in the middle of combat to fight a NB. These attempts as balancing a broken mechanic are not the solution, fixing the broken mechanic is the solution.Edited by Elusiin on July 28, 2019 11:30AM4 -
Deathlord92✭✭✭✭✭
✭So funny because I run no counters at all to cloak and still kill the majority of nb yet so many players cry about cloak when there’s so many different ways to counter it lmao git gud please lol 😂
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steven22✭✭✭There are some counters to cloak implemented in the game . Use them and kill the nightblade.Main - Char : Dandriil - Tamriel Hero, Explorer, Stormproof,Overlord
Nightblade since Beta , ESO Plus , PC EU
Proud Magicka Nightblade4 -
MajBludd✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Stop crying because you got killed by another player. That's all this post is about. Plain and simple. You lost, deal with it. Find a way to not lose.
Playing a nb isn't as easy as you think. Look at all the skills that negate stealth. Maybe slot one of those skills or add some more defense to your build.
Stop asking for things to be nerfed because you can't figure out how to deal with it.8 -
Skoomah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Love seeing Nightblades pretend cloak is not powerful.
Love seeing all cool class skills get given to other classes but Nightblades get to keep their cloak.6 -
hakan✭✭✭✭✭Love seeing Nightblades pretend cloak is not powerful.
Love seeing all cool class skills get given to other classes but Nightblades get to keep their cloak.
There you go.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Invisible
In any game, this is the first time ive seen other classes wanting to get invis ( or other thematical stuff) and in the mean time having an option to do it but not using it.
But i must admit, it is very interesting reading these d umb threads. Such salt, mhm..6 -
Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Royalthought wrote: »Is disgusting how well played NB builds can take all the fun.
They can go in cloak mode one after another multiple times without stop and this tremendous advantageous specially in 1 vs 1.
If I manage to catch a NB solo then I have to some how kill him in that window of time or he will just use cloak again and flee completely or keep me trolling.
Sorceress can teleport but I can target them and Chase them. Is not the same, I would say it is even an inferior ability than cloak.
I would say change cloak that they can use it 3 consecutive times and then they can not use it again for 10 seconds or do something that every time they use cloak the duration will be reduced by X seconds and it will be reset after x seconds of not going in cloak mode.
Thanks for your attention zos, I hope we get someday some feedback from developers of what they think about this skill and the abuse of using it.
The counters to cloak are literally abundant.
This post is about you failing to use them effectively.
Out of curiosity, what is your class and build?
Sometimes it's not the devs that need to make changes.
Sometimes it's players and their builds.
The counters to Cloak are all horrible, which every bad nightblade knows because it's the reason bad players flock to nightblade in the first place. If detect pots had 100% uptime, you wouldn't hear nearly as much complaining about Cloak, although the forums would be full of badblades complaining about detect pots!#CAREBEARMASTERRACE7 -
Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The existence of this thread only proves that Sorcs have been totally gutted for Update 23, by the way. Everybody knows we can't sustain a puny but expensive Hardened Ward, especially when there are going to be stamtards running around with 100% penetration for 12 seconds.
Thus the forums have moved on to nerfing Nightblades' most annoying ability... FINALLY. I can't say I'm going to shed any tears for the demise of this cowardly playstyle!#CAREBEARMASTERRACE7 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭And yet the streak fatigue debuff was reduced from 50% to 33% and can't be blocked. Poor sorcs! smh7 -
SidraWillowsky✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Reason ppl cry nerf us because they lack an understanding if a classes strength and weakness.
There's not much weakness to cloak, it forces your opponent to pop a lesser potion, or to change up their entire ability bar to combat it. That's the toxic counterplay that the dev acknowledge reflective scales had. They changed that for the same reason, and so it only makes sense to do the same to the invisibility mechanic to have actual balance.
You don't seem to understand that jircris is talking about the NB class *as a whole*. It is not just cloak. We lack any sort of instantaneous heal. They're all either over time (Refreshing Path, Dark Cloak) or depend entirely on having an enemy around to hit (Swallow Soul, Killer's Blade, Mark Target, Grim Focus, Siphoning Strikes, Sap Essence).
You seem to want the ability to counter cloak 100% of the time with no exceptions. That would render the skill useless.2 -
brandonv516✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »The existence of this thread only proves that Sorcs have been totally gutted for Update 23, by the way. Everybody knows we can't sustain a puny but expensive Hardened Ward, especially when there are going to be stamtards running around with 100% penetration for 12 seconds.
Thus the forums have moved on to nerfing Nightblades' most annoying ability... FINALLY. I can't say I'm going to shed any tears for the demise of this cowardly playstyle!
Finally? I see one of these threads at least once a week. There's a quota that people need to make, much like with Sorcs' shield-stacking.
And now for the obligatory response to the the OP: Cloak is fine, get better.13 -
Insco851✭✭✭✭✭
✭Emma_Overload wrote: »The existence of this thread only proves that Sorcs have been totally gutted for Update 23, by the way. Everybody knows we can't sustain a puny but expensive Hardened Ward, especially when there are going to be stamtards running around with 100% penetration for 12 seconds.
Thus the forums have moved on to nerfing Nightblades' most annoying ability... FINALLY. I can't say I'm going to shed any tears for the demise of this cowardly playstyle!
Annoying only if you are bad at using counters.5 -
SidraWillowsky✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »The counters to Cloak are all horrible, which every bad nightblade knows because it's the reason bad players flock to nightblade in the first place. If detect pots had 100% uptime, you wouldn't hear nearly as much complaining about Cloak, although the forums would be full of badblades complaining about detect pots!
Do you not understand that if detect pots had a 100% uptime, cloak would be completely useless?
Bad players are not able to successfully use cloak. People complain about the good nightblades while conveniently forgetting how easy it is to deal with a BAD nightblade. Probably the easiest players to kill in PvP.
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alainjbrennanb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭i get what peeps are saying here but my nb can cloak till its heart wants, if u stack enough magicka and pot reduction times and mag recovery the higher cost mean nothing, peeps are saying its what makes the class, but the dk's wings have gone with peeps complaining, as to sorcs again if the settings are like i already stated u can streak as much as u want, cloak does needs sorting, i even say that with my nb, since the increase of the cost i use it each time means nothing to meMain character dk - Vanikifar whitestrike1
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Cloak should cost twice what it does now, and then cost 25% more every time it's used within 45 seconds.
A cost increase of cloak similar to streak (and by the way: also all gap closers, with an adjustment of the range of the gap closers to be in line with the range of streak) is really in order to get in line with equalizing things.
Spoken like a true sorc. If that happens, no one will ever catch a streaking sorc, cause you know, not all of us can get resources back by Dark Convertion/Deal.
But you don't need cloak to catch a streaking sorc...? Cloak needs nerfed.
LOL Can only assume this is one the best troll post in this thread as it is rather irrelevant that cloak is not useful for catching a streaking sorc, Really good one.
But yea, Counters to cloak are hard counters and effectively pull NBs out of cloak and keep them out of cloak when used properly. To suggest Cloak is OP because you refuse to use one of the counters, have not figure out how to use them, or a skilled player used their actual playing skill to outwit you is a little illogical.7 -
Saril_Durzam✭✭✭✭you can say the same thing about
healing
shields
tanks and healings
cloak is just the same as those are.
Wrong answer. Nightblades hace access to heals, shields, taking abilities, while other classes dont.
Issue with cloak is that a NB can spam it esily. If they want, they can be inmmortals. Sorc streak which is way worse defence skilm has it cost augmented on each continuos cast. Cloak shouldn't dissapear but should have more hindrances. Atm is way too powerful in pvp.4 -
Gulnagel✭✭✭✭Saril_Durzam wrote: »you can say the same thing about
healing
shields
tanks and healings
cloak is just the same as those are.
Wrong answer. Nightblades hace access to heals, shields, taking abilities, while other classes dont.
Issue with cloak is that a NB can spam it esily. If they want, they can be inmmortals. Sorc streak which is way worse defence skilm has it cost augmented on each continuos cast. Cloak shouldn't dissapear but should have more hindrances. Atm is way too powerful in pvp.
We all know the nerf to cloak will come
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killingspreeb16_ESO✭✭✭✭Saril_Durzam wrote: »you can say the same thing about
healing
shields
tanks and healings
cloak is just the same as those are.
Wrong answer. Nightblades hace access to heals, shields, taking abilities, while other classes dont.
Issue with cloak is that a NB can spam it esily. If they want, they can be inmmortals. Sorc streak which is way worse defence skilm has it cost augmented on each continuos cast. Cloak shouldn't dissapear but should have more hindrances. Atm is way too powerful in pvp.
Not powerfull like other classes that's why nb got cloak outside of class identity,also inv pot are avaible to everyone aswell.
I bet the people that complain about cloak are the one that after cloak you can stand still in front of them and don't get revealed.
I really wish to see you guys playing so i can understand why you have such issue against a skill so easy to counter.
Edited by killingspreeb16_ESO on July 28, 2019 3:45PM3 -
Shardaxx✭✭✭✭✭Oh my. I'm a NB, and even I can drag someone out of cloak - either use a detect pot, or just spam an AOE where they disappear. Other classes have AOE's up around them all the time, so its even easier.
Seriously, if you're having problems with cloaking players, there are counters available to you whatever your class.PS4 - Europe - Shardaxx - Wood Elf Nightblade - Aldmeri Dominion4 -
susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Saril_Durzam wrote: »you can say the same thing about
healing
shields
tanks and healings
cloak is just the same as those are.
Wrong answer. Nightblades hace access to heals, shields, taking abilities, while other classes dont.
Issue with cloak is that a NB can spam it esily. If they want, they can be inmmortals. Sorc streak which is way worse defence skilm has it cost augmented on each continuos cast. Cloak shouldn't dissapear but should have more hindrances. Atm is way too powerful in pvp.
Shield, Heals can be stacked meaning you can stack healing on top of class version of it. That's how sorcerers shield stack, meaning the universal skill is used to enforce the class skill. Also Critical Surge and Vigor or Warden heals with Vigor. NBs don't have any real class options to stack Shield or heals. Given that logic, everybody has invisibility with potions. Which can't be stacked with Cloak fyi, unlike other classes option.
Lol what? Steak is one of the best skills in the game if used right. Streak is similar to roll not Cloak. Good sorcs combine Steak with Dark Conversion to sustain it, just like NBs combine roll with Cloak to sustain it.4 -
Deathlord92✭✭✭✭✭
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Completely agree with this 👍Stop crying because you got killed by another player. That's all this post is about. Plain and simple. You lost, deal with it. Find a way to not lose.
Playing a nb isn't as easy as you think. Look at all the skills that negate stealth. Maybe slot one of those skills or add some more defense to your build.
Stop asking for things to be nerfed because you can't figure out how to deal with it.
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Kel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »I can't say I'm going to shed any tears for the demise of this cowardly playstyle!
I'm sorry ..I couldn't pay attention to the rest of your post as I was chasing a cowardly sorc streaking all over Cyrodiil, just busy shielding and running away....
What was that about cowardly playstyle again?11 -
Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »... If detect pots had 100% uptime, you wouldn't hear nearly as much complaining about Cloak, although the forums would be full of badblades complaining about detect pots!
Not quite correct,
back when Detection Potions were able to have 100% uptime
which was also before Poisons were implemented into the game
people still complained constantly about Cloak -- many of my days were spent in the Alliance War forum section lecturing people on how powerful Detection + 20% Magicka skill damage + magicka regen pots were as a counter to Cloak
and having people complain to me that things like having to make specific potions for Nightblades was stupid
(as a side note -- started using Detection potions for the first time during Beta; was promoting them even before revealing flare got added in as a new skill)
tho you are correct that once badblades started to catch on to the fact that Detect potions were more consistently able to counter them (ie: from more classes) than Mark Target, they got pretty upset and whined on forums
not sure if Detect potions were ultimately nerfed because of complaints
or because ZOS theorized that people making Detect potions would also main Detect poisons (despite inconsistent application of poisons compared to reliability of potions) and so made the two have to be combined to have any chance at full uptime from consumables"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
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