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teladoy
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Is disgusting how well played NB builds can take all the fun.
They can go in cloak mode one after another multiple times without stop and this tremendous advantageous specially in 1 vs 1.
If I manage to catch a NB solo then I have to some how kill him in that window of time or he will just use cloak again and flee completely or keep me trolling.
Sorceress can teleport but I can target them and Chase them. Is not the same, I would say it is even an inferior ability than cloak.
I would say change cloak that they can use it 3 consecutive times and then they can not use it again for 10 seconds or do something that every time they use cloak the duration will be reduced by X seconds and it will be reset after x seconds of not going in cloak mode.
Thanks for your attention zos, I hope we get someday some feedback from developers of what they think about this skill and the abuse of using it.
Edited by teladoy on July 27, 2019 1:53PM They can go in cloak mode one after another multiple times without stop and this tremendous advantageous specially in 1 vs 1.
If I manage to catch a NB solo then I have to some how kill him in that window of time or he will just use cloak again and flee completely or keep me trolling.
Sorceress can teleport but I can target them and Chase them. Is not the same, I would say it is even an inferior ability than cloak.
I would say change cloak that they can use it 3 consecutive times and then they can not use it again for 10 seconds or do something that every time they use cloak the duration will be reduced by X seconds and it will be reset after x seconds of not going in cloak mode.
Thanks for your attention zos, I hope we get someday some feedback from developers of what they think about this skill and the abuse of using it.
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Cavedog✭✭✭✭✭
✭Cloak should cost twice what it does now, and then cost 25% more every time it's used within 45 seconds.
In PvP, the vast majority of NB's can't even play, they just know about the cloak skill and that's about it.24 -
teladoy✭✭✭✭✭I think they know play and that's the thing.
If I see a NB for me is like go for a tank solo, a waste of time.
I always play in team but some times you have to do your part solo. And the problem comes when you can't just target or stun a NB enough time because they can quick break free and go in cloak mode again.
Another thing is when two NB played in coordination. They can just delete you in no time. I prefer to fight against any class in a 1 vs 2 because at least I know I can fight them and not being trolling by two persons that go from cloak to cloak and kill me without chance.3 -
jircris11✭✭✭✭✭
✭Reason ppl cry nerf us because they lack an understanding if a classes strength and weakness.IGN: Ki'rah
Khajiit/Vampire
DC/AD faction/NA server.
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Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Reason ppl cry nerf us because they lack an understanding if a classes strength and weakness.
it made me cry when ZOS nerfed my Detection potions
used to be able to maintain 100% uptime of visibility through Cloak, provided my willingness to enchant my jewelry and keep my potion (re: one of the only things in game with a cooldown) active rather than using it to reactively handle resources
have not been in Cyrodiil with my Bosmer yet since the changes -- does the Stealth Detect on passives penetrate Cloak allowing me to go in on a full sentry build?
or not worth my time and gold?"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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Royalthought✭✭✭✭✭Is disgusting how well played NB builds can take all the fun.
They can go in cloak mode one after another multiple times without stop and this tremendous advantageous specially in 1 vs 1.
If I manage to catch a NB solo then I have to some how kill him in that window of time or he will just use cloak again and flee completely or keep me trolling.
Sorceress can teleport but I can target them and Chase them. Is not the same, I would say it is even an inferior ability than cloak.
I would say change cloak that they can use it 3 consecutive times and then they can not use it again for 10 seconds or do something that every time they use cloak the duration will be reduced by X seconds and it will be reset after x seconds of not going in cloak mode.
Thanks for your attention zos, I hope we get someday some feedback from developers of what they think about this skill and the abuse of using it.
The counters to cloak are literally abundant.
This post is about you failing to use them effectively.
Out of curiosity, what is your class and build?
Sometimes it's not the devs that need to make changes.
Sometimes it's players and their builds.22 -
Kel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭A sorc streaks all across Cyrodiil and no one blinks.
A nightblade goes into cloak and everyone loses thier minds.21 -
Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Stealth is a class defining skill for NB's. Why not take magic away from sorcs, durability away from DK's, healing away from temp's. There's a reason NB's use cloak so much, their 1v1 abilities are rather poor compared to other classes.5 -
Skoomah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭All classes should get cloak.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/485914/all-classes-get-cloak/p1
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Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭you can say the same thing about
healing
shields
tanks and healings
cloak is just the same as those are.6 -
Skoomah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The difference is... nightblades get access to all those sources of defense too but the rest of us don’t get access to CLOAK. It’s not fair.Edited by Skoomah on July 28, 2019 3:17AM4 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Is disgusting how well played NB builds can take all the fun.
So it is disgusting how a skill player can play their class well? So asking to nerf skills and classes is the way to go when we get outplayed?
I read your entire OP and not once did you mention the use of a counter. So instead of working into your build, or into your groups design, the use of counters to cloak you ask for a nerf.
I enjoy hunting stealthers. I enjoy puling NBs out of cloak and find the counters effective enough that I see no problems with cloak. Certainly what OP has mentioned is not a problem concerning the skill.8 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Talons is an immobilization. NBs have that in spades with Fear.
Everyone has access to fear on the PTS and my guess is you have not been rooted and CCed at the same time requiring both a CC break and dodge roll to get away.
Cloak has multiple hard counters available to players. They work very well.8 -
Skoomah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Talons is an immobilization. NBs have that in spades with Fear.
Everyone has access to fear on the PTS and my guess is you have not been rooted and CCed at the same time requiring both a CC break and dodge roll to get away.
Cloak has multiple hard counters available to players. They work very well.
Cloak is one of if not the only mechanic no other class has access to. Not gonna go into each class defining skill or mechanic but Cloak is really the only thing left that isn’t found someplace else like a weapon or guild skill line. Everyone should get access to Cloak. That would immediately quiet up all the whiners.2 -
geonsocal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ugh, class envy is soooooo unattractive...
I just don't get it, you got like 8 free character slots...just go make a *** nightblade/necromancer/dk/sorcerer/warden/templar and stop bitching and whining about what someone else has...Edited by geonsocal on July 28, 2019 7:24AMPVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Gray Host) - This Must be the Place9 -
Skoomah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ugh, class envy is soooooo unattractive...
I just don't get, you got like 8 free character slots...just go make a *** nightblade/necromancer/dk/sorcerer/warden/templar and stop bitching and whining about what someone else has...
I agree.., but that doesn’t take away from the fact that Cloak is the last skill that isn’t shared with others yet.
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Talons is an immobilization. NBs have that in spades with Fear.
Everyone has access to fear on the PTS and my guess is you have not been rooted and CCed at the same time requiring both a CC break and dodge roll to get away.
Cloak has multiple hard counters available to players. They work very well.
Cloak is one of if not the only mechanic no other class has access to. Not gonna go into each class defining skill or mechanic but Cloak is really the only thing left that isn’t found someplace else like a weapon or guild skill line. Everyone should get access to Cloak. That would immediately quiet up all the whiners.
Besides the very solid fact that Cloak has multiple counters not every class has access to everything.
I can tell you for a fact the counters work as long as you bother to use them. Even at that, not everyone in the group need to slot a counter as groups are supposed to work together anyhow.
I really enjoy pulling NBs out of stealth and taking them out of play. I am glad I figure out how to work the counter into my playstyle and build instead of trying to get the NB nerfed because it is pretty great getting things done.4 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ugh, class envy is soooooo unattractive...
I just don't get, you got like 8 free character slots...just go make a *** nightblade/necromancer/dk/sorcerer/warden/templar and stop bitching and whining about what someone else has...
LOL. Years ago this guy in my guild had a NB, only had a NB. Complained about DKs, Templars and NBs, Whoever he was up against was to OP and needed to be nerfed.
Funny thing is he rolled a Sorc and started complaining about DKs, Templars and yes, NBs were to OP. Thing is, he never figured out how to combat each class and different playstyles including the one he mained. It was funny.4 -
Skoomah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Talons is an immobilization. NBs have that in spades with Fear.
Everyone has access to fear on the PTS and my guess is you have not been rooted and CCed at the same time requiring both a CC break and dodge roll to get away.
Cloak has multiple hard counters available to players. They work very well.
Cloak is one of if not the only mechanic no other class has access to. Not gonna go into each class defining skill or mechanic but Cloak is really the only thing left that isn’t found someplace else like a weapon or guild skill line. Everyone should get access to Cloak. That would immediately quiet up all the whiners.
Besides the very solid fact that Cloak has multiple counters not every class has access to everything.
I can tell you for a fact the counters work as long as you bother to use them. Even at that, not everyone in the group need to slot a counter as groups are supposed to work together anyhow.
I really enjoy pulling NBs out of stealth and taking them out of play. I am glad I figure out how to work the counter into my playstyle and build instead of trying to get the NB nerfed because it is pretty great getting things done.
There are counters to cloak but it’s not even close to other forms of mitigation. The other forms of mitigation don’t even come close to being able to “reset the fight” repeatedly at will. A good night blade gets detected and just re-cloaks and can just reposition quickly immediately canceling out the detection. And the biggest kicker? You can’t even attack what you can’t see. NBs can use all forms of mitigation AND cloak.2 -
geonsocal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ugh, class envy is soooooo unattractive...
I just don't get, you got like 8 free character slots...just go make a *** nightblade/necromancer/dk/sorcerer/warden/templar and stop bitching and whining about what someone else has...
I agree.., but that doesn’t take away from the fact that Cloak is the last skill that isn’t shared with others yet.
I kind of get the whole "balancing"/nerf everything that's not new phase we've been on the last couple of years...
it just gets tiresome needing to constantly keep up with all the *** that's been "balanced"...
cloak is one of the most unique defensive tools in the game, and there are a few really easy counters if those sneaky cloakers annoy someone a great deal...
I've been playing a mag/stam version of each class for a while now, what I love so much about my magblade out in cyro is that I never have to die...sometimes it can make for some really long mount rides, but, I never really have to re-spawn if I don't feel like it...
I absolutely take immense joy in sneaking up on a crowded outpost "porch", hitting fear and just slipping away...it's a game all of its own...PVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Gray Host) - This Must be the Place0 -
Icy_Waffles✭✭✭✭✭
✭Wow this is so sad. Definitely saw this coming though. What a stupid complaint. Cloak is so easily countered. Each class should be unique and have things the others don’t. Personally I don’t really enjoy playing a nightblade but I have rarely had an issue dealing with one who uses cloak.
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Skoomah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Strong healing. Repeatedly defile.
Strong blocking. Bleed them out.
Strong speed. Immobilize and snare them.
Strong shields. Hit them with oblivion damage.
Strong cloaking. Pop a detect pot. Good night blades just reposition far away and wait for the 30 second window the detect pot is on cool down. The real counter is to walk away and ignore, You can’t fight what you can’t see.
No one else can...
Cloak + Speed + Heal
Cloak + ShieldsEdited by Skoomah on July 28, 2019 4:34AM4 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Talons is an immobilization. NBs have that in spades with Fear.
Everyone has access to fear on the PTS and my guess is you have not been rooted and CCed at the same time requiring both a CC break and dodge roll to get away.
Cloak has multiple hard counters available to players. They work very well.
Cloak is one of if not the only mechanic no other class has access to. Not gonna go into each class defining skill or mechanic but Cloak is really the only thing left that isn’t found someplace else like a weapon or guild skill line. Everyone should get access to Cloak. That would immediately quiet up all the whiners.
Besides the very solid fact that Cloak has multiple counters not every class has access to everything.
I can tell you for a fact the counters work as long as you bother to use them. Even at that, not everyone in the group need to slot a counter as groups are supposed to work together anyhow.
I really enjoy pulling NBs out of stealth and taking them out of play. I am glad I figure out how to work the counter into my playstyle and build instead of trying to get the NB nerfed because it is pretty great getting things done.
There are counters to cloak but it’s not even close to other forms of mitigation. The other forms of mitigation don’t even come close to being able to “reset the fight” repeatedly at will. A good night blade gets detected and just re-cloaks and can just reposition quickly immediately canceling out the detection. And the biggest kicker? You can’t even attack what you can’t see. NBs can use all forms of mitigation AND cloak.
You contradict yourself.
If you actually counter cloak the NB cannot reset the fight at all. If that NB is detected he cannot just recloak. Using the counters ceases the cloak and they cannot immediately cloak again. It really is that simple.
Of course they can use other strategies and skills to evade you and then they can eventually cloak but we are talking about using player skill and not relying on cloak itself as you are attempting to erroneously suggest.
I can say this as fact as I see myself and others effectively pull NBs out of stealth, prevent them from stealthing and kill them. Yes, I encounter NBs that are skilled and successfully evade me but I really do not think being less than 100% successful is a reason to ask for a nerf.7 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Strong healing. Repeatedly defile.
Strong blocking. Bleed them out.
Strong speed. Immobilize and snare them.
Strong shields. Hit them with oblivion damage.
Strong cloaking. Pop a detect pot. Good night blades just reposition far away and wait for the 30 second window the detect it is on cool down. The real counter is to walk away and ignore, You can’t fight what you can’t see.
No one else can...
Cloak + Speed + Heal
Cloak + Shields
I do not seem to have your trouble so it seems more that you are not using that counter very effectively.8 -
Skoomah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Skills with detection... people run out resources to spam it.
Detect pots are temporary.
When a nightblade uses cloak + mobility repositioning + and healing... good luck.
They will just reposition or wait for the enemy to run out of the detection capability. I agree, bad nigtblades go down easily, but good ones are nearly impossible to lock down.3 -
Skoomah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Strong healing. Repeatedly defile.
Strong blocking. Bleed them out.
Strong speed. Immobilize and snare them.
Strong shields. Hit them with oblivion damage.
Strong cloaking. Pop a detect pot. Good night blades just reposition far away and wait for the 30 second window the detect it is on cool down. The real counter is to walk away and ignore, You can’t fight what you can’t see.
No one else can...
Cloak + Speed + Heal
Cloak + Shields
I do not seem to have your trouble so it seems more that you are not using that counter very effectively.
I don’t agree that Cloak is an underpowered or even equal to the their forms of mitigation. It is by far and away the best form.5 -
Drdeath20✭✭✭✭✭
✭Just too much defensively packed into 1 skill, thats not even that expensive. Should cost around 7k double what it is now but magblades need some pvp love2
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