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Play whatever you want however you want
Papachico
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But playing PvP on a magicka toon without a resto staff next patch means you will miss out so much!
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Play how you like.
But not every build is top tier, BIS material for its role.
Its not hard.7 -
Papachico✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Play how you like.
But not every build is top tier, BIS material for its role.
Its not hard.
#balance right1 -
UndeniablyAVG✭✭✭✭I'll be sticking with SnB on my magplar. I don't feel like I need any of these fancy resto staff abilities.PS4 EU - Daggerfall Covenant
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Play how you like.
But not every build is top tier, BIS material for its role.
Its not hard.
#balance right
I mean, this is the original context for the "play the way you like" line...
Edited by VaranisArano on July 23, 2019 1:40PM2 -
Papachico✭✭✭✭Why just not make this game RNG based when it comes to combat. Risk and reward is becoming sub zero with every new patch.0
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peoplething✭✭✭"Play whatever you want however you want....
....as long as it conforms to the meta and is no-way a fun af oddball niche build"2 -
LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You can play however you want, but you're not guaranteed to win.
I agree that ZOS is, ahem, not very good at balancing their game, but "balance" doesn't mean that everything is equally effective in any circumstances. Just like in Skyrim, if you level up via crafting skills and ignore combat for whatever reason, you'll still have to fight draugr overlords and it will be significantly harder than it would be for someone who leveled bow and sneak.Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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xylena_lazarow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭peoplething wrote: »"Play whatever you want however you want....
....as long as it conforms to the meta and is no-way a fun af oddball niche build"
99% of this game can be done without a coherent gear setup or skill rotation, doing literally whatever you want. Only the remaining 1% of competitive endgame play requires you to understand basic game mechanics and build accordingly.PC/NA || Cyro/BGs || retired until Dagon brings a new dawn of PvP metas7 -
Kynigos✭✭xylena_lazarow wrote: »peoplething wrote: »"Play whatever you want however you want....
....as long as it conforms to the meta and is no-way a fun af oddball niche build"
99% of this game can be done without a coherent gear setup or skill rotation, doing literally whatever you want. Only the remaining 1% of competitive endgame play requires you to understand basic game mechanics and build accordingly.
Not very good at maths, are you?3 -
aaisoaho✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Play how you like.
But not every build is top tier, BIS material for its role.
Its not hard.
#balance right
I mean, this is the original context for the "play the way you like" line...
The picture also clarifies the meaning of "play the way you like": "Battle, craft, fish, steal, siege, or explore." The phrase in this context doesn't include builds - as in it doesn't mean that stealth summoner archer is an end-game viable build.3 -
RavenSworn✭✭✭✭✭/facepalm.
You play how you like doesn't mean everything and anything under the sun works as top tier build. That's just.. I mean, even in any sports or hobbies, nothing is equal. You telling me that in foot ball a linebacker is the same as a quarterback? No two players are the same, so are no two builds.
Just play what you want, that doesn't mean squat in terms of "meta" or "top tier" because it's not what the devs decide, it's the PLAYERS that decide what meta is. Stop chasing it and you can play whatever. Hell I created a dual wield mag dk that deals flame / physical damage and can do decent damage in vets.Ingame: RavenSworn, Pc / NA.
Of Wolf and Raven
Solo / Casual guild for beginners and new players wanting to join the game. Pst me for invite!5 -
Papachico✭✭✭✭RavenSworn wrote: »/facepalm.
You play how you like doesn't mean everything and anything under the sun works as top tier build. That's just.. I mean, even in any sports or hobbies, nothing is equal. You telling me that in foot ball a linebacker is the same as a quarterback? No two players are the same, so are no two builds.
Just play what you want, that doesn't mean squat in terms of "meta" or "top tier" because it's not what the devs decide, it's the PLAYERS that decide what meta is. Stop chasing it and you can play whatever. Hell I created a dual wield mag dk that deals flame / physical damage and can do decent damage in vets.
Yeah some people set higher standards than just to be casual. Second of all this ain't about PvE so no one cares about your DK build doing good in vets..
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✭✭✭peoplething wrote: »"Play whatever you want however you want....
....as long as it conforms to the meta and is no-way a fun af oddball niche build"
As long as you have to be min/maxed/uber/leet part of the leetbisfotm chasing sheeple herd. It isn't really different from any other game where competitive players find the best build and setup, and no one wants to be "the loser" who underperforms by .0001% dps.... For the players who aren't competitive, don't chase the leaderboards or time trials it is actually possible to play however you want and have fun playing.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭RavenSworn wrote: »/facepalm.
You play how you like doesn't mean everything and anything under the sun works as top tier build. That's just.. I mean, even in any sports or hobbies, nothing is equal. You telling me that in foot ball a linebacker is the same as a quarterback? No two players are the same, so are no two builds.
Just play what you want, that doesn't mean squat in terms of "meta" or "top tier" because it's not what the devs decide, it's the PLAYERS that decide what meta is. Stop chasing it and you can play whatever. Hell I created a dual wield mag dk that deals flame / physical damage and can do decent damage in vets.
Yeah some people set higher standards than just to be casual. Second of all this ain't about PvE so no one cares about your DK build doing good in vets..
In pvp you literally compete against other players. Of course they will use setups that perform better, and there will always be something that is just more effective that anything else. Meta is a thing in any mmo.Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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✭✭✭✭✭I always thought 'play the way you want' referred to the fact that any race could be any class and any class could use any weapons or armour, which is a big difference to some MMOs where for example if you picked a high elf you'd have to be a caster and have to use light armour and a staff. (Some games even have gender restrictions too - so for example to play a healer you also have to play a female elf caster.)
Somehow even though I have a dedicated crafter who spends all his time making and selling equipment and gathering resources and struggles to kill a mudcrab, and a dedicated Thief/assassin as well as various characters focusing on different releases/storylines it didn't occur to me it could apply to that too.
But in either context it would be silly to think it means players will consider every possible build equal for all content all of the time. Even if all skills were perfectly balanced it would just lead to people focusing on things like which ones had the shortest animations or which race was the smallest and therefore hardest for a player to target. It is accurate in that it's possible to complete most content with most builds, it's just that some will have an easier time than others and as a result players who care about min-maxing will prefer those. But you can actually play whatever you want, you just need to find like-minded people to play with an accept that it may not be as quick.PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
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✭✭✭✭✭You can live your real life the way you want too, just don’t expect financial success if you don’t somewhat follow meta.."Get off my lawn!"5 -
RavenSworn✭✭✭✭✭RavenSworn wrote: »/facepalm.
You play how you like doesn't mean everything and anything under the sun works as top tier build. That's just.. I mean, even in any sports or hobbies, nothing is equal. You telling me that in foot ball a linebacker is the same as a quarterback? No two players are the same, so are no two builds.
Just play what you want, that doesn't mean squat in terms of "meta" or "top tier" because it's not what the devs decide, it's the PLAYERS that decide what meta is. Stop chasing it and you can play whatever. Hell I created a dual wield mag dk that deals flame / physical damage and can do decent damage in vets.
Yeah some people set higher standards than just to be casual. Second of all this ain't about PvE so no one cares about your DK build doing good in vets..
Casual in terms of what? Approach? Time? Choice? The term casual is so broad that it can mean anything. I choose to be casual at pve so I can rp hardcore? I choose to be hardcore at housing so I'm still a casual? Like what do you mean by that?
A meta is something that the players created. It wasn't brought by the devs. Yeah sure the devs created some gear sets or some abilities that might tie it closer to the meta but there's plenty more created that don't.
So, play how you want. /shrugIngame: RavenSworn, Pc / NA.
Of Wolf and Raven
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✭✭✭I understood OP's post to be sarcastic, in that the proposed Update 23 changes will reduce magicka build diversity in PvP.
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JJBoomer✭✭✭✭✭imagine a game where fun is the purpose and this is what people choose to do instead of playing said game, having fun and saying go screw to the basement dwellers that dont like it. sad.0
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✭People ask for balance but then complain about things getting balanced.Edited by Canned_Apples on July 27, 2019 9:51PM2 -
ZephyrWestwind✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Play how you like.
But not every build is top tier, BIS material for its role.
Its not hard.
#balance right
I mean, this is the original context for the "play the way you like" line...
Are you sure about that?
Considering the original PC version did require a subscription, I would think there is a use of the phrase that predates a console case. Although, it would mean about the same thing, as even then, many players took it out of context.1
