just a group maker rather than a group finder would be nice, hanging in crag to pug trial is boring as hell.

Sure, why not, but only for normal versions.

Sharee wrote: »

I'm for it. Let the random people see what trials are about. They might not succeed, but they will learn something, and it might motivate them. To join a guild, to improve themselves, etc.

I really dislike the argument "but they dont know the mechanics". Nobody knows the mechanics of a new trial. It has to be figured out first. Letting the "elite guilds" figure it out first, then watch them on youtube and copy it, that's just a crutch in my opinion. Making it a requirement, like this was a job, not a game for fun, that's just sad.

If you feel like "it would be a waste of my time", well, the trial group finder probably wasn't meant for you, feel free to continue to do them with your guild.

The problem is, trying to figure out the tactics for the new vet trial usually takes several raids (a few hours each) with the same group. You won't make any progress if you go with different people every time. It's not "elitist", it's just how it works. When your progression group lacks people and you have to invite different people every time, it significantly hinders your progress, and in a pug you'll have a 100% random group each time.
And then there's another huge issue. Progression requires communication, and you can't expect that from pugs... When I farmed my gear in normal dungeons, half of the time people wouldnt even respond to my "hello"...
Normal trials can be bruteforced to an extent, because you can skip most of mechanics and most of them can be easily ignored. Even in the worst case scenario a few experienced players can save the group.

Seems like it would be cool with built-in chat on console. Would be horrible with no communication on PC. It is bad enough when 4 people in a group refuse to join in a guild's discord to listen.

My only concern is adding another thing for people to complain about when it takes forever to form groups and then people get booted or you have people there who had no idea what they were getting into.

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

a) can the group finder even handle the size / complexity?

Given the number of times I've seen it completely fail to form a 12-person group for Battlegrounds, probably not.

The group finder has some really strange logic. 3/4 people immediately accepted the group, but some poor DPS has passed out waiting for invite? Tear the whole thing down and put those 3 people back in the queue. 11 people said yes to a Battleground, but 1 person was asleep? Blow it all up and re-queue everyone.

And even with this extreme approach, too often you land in a Battleground that never gets enough people to start, even though it will happily go on with at least one 3-person team for the whole match.

To be honest, many of the Veteran DLC dungeons on this game are way more difficult than normal trials are. So this argument that trials are too difficult to add to the activity finder doesn't make any sense to me. They would have way better completion rates than those do by far I can promise you.

The only thing adding trials to activity finder would accomplish is give casual players who aren't committed to a trial guild a chance to experience the content. And that is a good thing with no downside for anyone.

Fix current finder.

Let the finder, including trials, leverage achievements to decide if a player is welcome into a group. A simple filter that players already use in chat pugs.

A lot of people que up for vet dlc dungeons with less than 40k single target dps "sometimes as low as 10-15k" and feel entitled to a free carry. This is why I don't believe a vet system can ever work well. However normal trials do not require a lot of dps to pass the checks , it should require a clear, they can check this through achievements. As for fake roles queing, a vote kick with 7 or more votes should solve this problem.

LFR is a pretty controversial thing though. A lot of guilds are centered around normal trial social events, and personally I feel that it incourages anti social behavior where you would rather just constantly que for randoms rather than actually engage in the community.

Agenericname wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

To be honest, many of the Veteran DLC dungeons on this game are way more difficult than normal trials are. So this argument that trials are too difficult to add to the activity finder doesn't make any sense to me. They would have way better completion rates than those do by far I can promise you.

The only thing adding trials to activity finder would accomplish is give casual players who aren't committed to a trial guild a chance to experience the content. And that is a good thing with no downside for anyone.

Yes, and there is almost always the presence of a thread asking for the removal of DLC dungeons from the group finder, both normal and vet.

If they overhauled the group finder to allow for a system that allowed players to make their own groups and their own specific requirements such as 1tank, 2 tanks, or 1 tank and 3 DD for dungeons, then I think it be great. The system we have now would be problematic and doesn't work as is.

The people I see are asking for DLC dungeons be separated (not removed) from the activity finder. I don't remember seeing anyone asking for their removal.

Agenericname wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Agenericname wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

To be honest, many of the Veteran DLC dungeons on this game are way more difficult than normal trials are. So this argument that trials are too difficult to add to the activity finder doesn't make any sense to me. They would have way better completion rates than those do by far I can promise you.

The only thing adding trials to activity finder would accomplish is give casual players who aren't committed to a trial guild a chance to experience the content. And that is a good thing with no downside for anyone.

Yes, and there is almost always the presence of a thread asking for the removal of DLC dungeons from the group finder, both normal and vet.

If they overhauled the group finder to allow for a system that allowed players to make their own groups and their own specific requirements such as 1tank, 2 tanks, or 1 tank and 3 DD for dungeons, then I think it be great. The system we have now would be problematic and doesn't work as is.

The people I see are asking for DLC dungeons be separated (not removed) from the activity finder. I don't remember seeing anyone asking for their removal.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/471259/can-we-please-have-the-option-to-remove-dlc-dungeons-from-random-queue

That's just the first one I saw.

From looking at the title - they are just wanting them to separated from the random queue - a position agree with.

I don't think that person is suggesting they should be removed entirely from the activity finder. Just that people ought to be able to queue up for a random dungeon without the possibility of getting into a DLC dungeon - since they are a lot more difficult then the base dungeons. In other words: DLC dungeons need to be put into their own pool of dungeons to queue in.

I would say the same of trials. They ought to be put into their own category as well.

Not gonna lie and it might make me look bad, but I've hardly ever had a good experience pugging.

You have your guys that might know what they are doing well enough, but always want to cheese stuff to make it as quick and easy as possible, sometimes arguably even using exploits.

And you have your pugs that have no desire to learn the game and are just used to being carried for whatever reason. These are the guys that you run into fighting a world boss and they are of no use b/c they won't listen to advice and the only experience they have with fighting that world boss was when the zone was new and 20-30 other players were zerging it down. Same thing here, maybe they've done norms and it was easy, maybe they got carried by 3 solid players in a vet or even HM, but if you are in a situation and need someone to actually do their job and they won't listen or cooperate, then it's a nightmare.

Then you have your players that do know what they are doing and all that, but chances are they are in a guild for that type of content.

And you have your new guys willing to learn, which would be better off in comms with a group willing to teach than mixed up in some of what i mentioned above.

This would only be amplified in a trial.

You think players complain about fake tanks, fake healers, roles, kicked for CP, gear spying, etc. now, imagine it from trials being in group finder.

It really is better, if you want to learn a trial or hard dungeon, to make some contacts with people that maybe us TS or discord and form up real groups.

If you like seeing 11 other people suffering and crying tears of blood, then yes, add it to the queue

Doesnt affect me, I never pug trials anyways