I guess ZOS watvhed that video to learn about milking its player base

david_m_18b16_ESO · July 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ywdh1on_HU

And well conveniance is the most profitable way to make money I guess cuz 50$ worth fo crown for a summunable banker cost barely nothing to reate and everyones bought it.

ChunkyCat · July 2019

wts crowns, PC NA, 150g per crown.

OmniDo · July 2019

While the information provided within the video(s) is highly educational, it comes as no surprise to those already educated.

There is only one motive behind all things capitalist:
Profit.

Thats it.

Games arent created for fun, theyre created for profit.
Everything is profit-based, and our species suffers from a value-system disorder.
Nothing new here, Buckminster Fuller and Jacque Fresco attempted to inform the public of this for over a century.

But humans are stubborn, compulsive, and ego-centric.

So, Yes, they are trying to nickel-and-dime you.
Yes, they are looking to psychologically manipulate you so they can nickel-and-dime you.
Yes, they do not care whether you agree with their method, so long as you continue to comply with it.

The instrument of change is Force, whether deliberate or incidental.
Learn and master this if you wish to survive and thrive.
Otherwise, Darwin has a nice place for you on his Extinction Shelf.

david_m_18b16_ESO · July 2019

OmniDo wrote: »

While the information provided within the video(s) is highly educational, it comes as no surprise to those already educated.

But phylosophy is useless lol

LuxLunae · July 2019

If you subscribe to the game you get 1500 crowns per month... you don't have to buy the crowns separately...

All those houses...and such that are like 15k crowns are a thank you to those who subscribed over the years... Not for people to just throw money down and get it...

Although zos doesn't stop you from doing that...I don't use a banker or a merchant....my inventory is clogged with sets that I don't even use...(well at least they might become useful since zos is changing sets now)

You don't have to buy it...You don't have to be the best!!

Waffennacht · July 2019

OmniDo wrote: »

While the information provided within the video(s) is highly educational, it comes as no surprise to those already educated.

There is only one motive behind all things capitalist:
Profit.

Thats it.

Games arent created for fun, theyre created for profit.
Everything is profit-based, and our species suffers from a value-system disorder.
Nothing new here, Buckminster Fuller and Jacque Fresco attempted to inform the public of this for over a century.

But humans are stubborn, compulsive, and ego-centric.

So, Yes, they are trying to nickel-and-dime you.
Yes, they are looking to psychologically manipulate you so they can nickel-and-dime you.
Yes, they do not care whether you agree with their method, so long as you continue to comply with it.

The instrument of change is Force, whether deliberate or incidental.
Learn and master this if you wish to survive and thrive.
Otherwise, Darwin has a nice place for you on his Extinction Shelf.

If you remove some of the minor opinion based parts of this post... It's 100% accurate.

It's up to us to make sure we don't get screwed

therift · July 2019

Hmm.

I noticed there are no clocks in Tamriel anywhere.

Just like Las Vegas.

Tommy_The_Gun · July 2019

"Introduce a problem and then sell a solution for it"
- Jim Sterling

I dont know how to picture it better. P2Convinece. Buy Skillpoints, Buy Skill Lines, Buy INVENTORY management (Yes, ESO+ Craft Bag). It will get worse & worse as the time passes.

wenchmore420b14_ESO · July 2019

“When the people that can make the company more successful are sales and marketing people, they end up running the companies. The product people get driven out of the decision making forums, and the companies forget what it means to make great products.”
_Steve Jobs (The Lost Interview)

Carbonised · July 2019

ZOS uses pretty much every scheme that this CEO suggests in his video. From loot boxes to pay for convenience to artificial scarcity and FoMO and everything else.

It's really disappointing that no nefarious scheme isn't too low to stoop to for ZOS, it's like marginally better than EA levels of scummyness.

And no, not every capitalistic game developer has to be completely heart- and soulless, there's the well-known example of CD Projekt Red, and a ton of other, lesser known studios as well who have a pretty consumer friendly monetization approach. Obsidian has always been good guys, even now that Microsoft owns them.

Bottom line is, you can easily have a monetization model that's consumer friendly and still make more than enough money to keep your studio going, the problem is that so many so-called triple-A companies want to make ALL the money in the world. Not enough, not much, but ALL of it.

Tomg999 · July 2019

IMO "nickel-and-diming" is good for the consumer. It allows the customer to buy what they need, without being forced to buy bundles.

For example, when an airline charges for baggage, enough room for your legs, etc - instead of just raising the price, it lets the customer buy only what they need at a lower price, or add just what they want.

Foe ESO, you can just buy the barebones game, no subscription, no "Chapters" or DLCs, never buy crowns, and enjoy the game at a lower level of content. Or you can buy all kinds of fun stuff. Or exactly what you want.

Varaug_Gaming · July 2019

i think eso is illegal in belgium because of the crown crates

not sure about it tough

Ri_Khan · July 2019

The monetization of video games is driving me away from the hobby entirely. The whole industry's killin' it alright.

Zathras · July 2019

LuxLunae wrote: »

All those houses...and such that are like 15k crowns are a thank you to those who subscribed over the years... Not for people to just throw money down and get it...

*spits coffee across the room*

Zathras · July 2019

Tomg999 wrote: »

IMO "nickel-and-diming" is good for the consumer.

I don't think you know what the whole concept entails, if you believe companies are doing you a favor.

"Thanks a lot, chum!", grinned the fat shareholder.

Starlock · July 2019

Ri_Khan wrote: »

The monetization of video games is driving me away from the hobby entirely. The whole industry's killin' it alright.

There are plenty of developers out there - especially more indie and small developers - who do not utilize unethical monetization scams in their games. Support them. Make exceptions to support unethical developers only rarely, if ever.

daemonios · July 2019

How anyone needs videos to arrive at that conclusion is mind-boggling. People have been saying it (in connection with ESO) since ZOS went back on its word and introduced the Clown Store.

There are no free lunches. We may not have to sub, but we get a worse game and a whole lot of shady sales techniques. Every time you shrug your shoulders and decide to put up with it, you're signalling for publishers to push microtransactions harder.

Elsonso · July 2019

I can't say whether they watched the video, but as I recall, they hired someone that came in to help them. Can't remember the name, anymore.

xaraan · July 2019

This is industry info, it's not a new thing to zos or any game company. All business have these type of 'lessons' going on behind the scenes and I'm sure this guy wasn't the first.

Personally, I'm not liking the "pay for convenience" that we've seen from the crown store lately. That's how they milk mobile players so badly. And players are just begging for it b/c the game is already designed in a grindy/non-fun way where leveling most of the guild skills are concerned.

I think the crown store should be solely for cosmetics. And without gambling crates and much less limited time gimmicks. But as long as customers are willing to pay for stuff you'll see businesses doing it. In the end, we fall for the traps, even with the knowledge that it's right in front of us.

Varaug_Gaming · July 2019

Starlock wrote: »

Ri_Khan wrote: »

The monetization of video games is driving me away from the hobby entirely. The whole industry's killin' it alright.

There are plenty of developers out there - especially more indie and small developers - who do not utilize unethical monetization scams in their games. Support them. Make exceptions to support unethical developers only rarely, if ever.

but thats a problem at the same time

because most people will say, "why should i give my money for free to this game when i dont get anything in return"

Tafvsulke · July 2019

I wonder if they deleted the crown store, removed free to play and made everyone pay a monthly sub of $15.00 again would these type comments go away or would the rage grow?

jircris11 · July 2019

See everyone blames the corporate, no one blames the consumer for being dumb enough to continuously throw money at them. It's like that NO MATTER where you go. For me ESO+ is my way if buying slightly over 15 usd if crowns per month. I just happen to get a bunch of extra goodies. Every ingame house I have I got for free (biggest being villa thanks to that event)

ZOS_JesC · July 2019

Greetings, we've removed a handful of bashing comments. Since this thread has derailed and is no longer constructively discussing the topic, we've decided to close this thread. Thank you for your understanding.