damnit did you trick me into now having youtube reccomend videos I don't like or want

More stuff to earn in game is fun. I'm not eager to log into a game to repeat a freaking dungeon to farm gear. Burnt out boring.

Yeah I agree, the amount of people who would start playing again would definitely jump and new joiners would find more appeal in this game. I tried getting my friend to play eso awhile back and of course at some point I hop on my mount and he asks, "oh sick dude where did you get that mount?" Of course I say the crown store like 98 percent of all mounts. I told them about the buyable horse mounts and the earnable indirik but it's super lackluster when you compare them to other mounts. So that kinda disincentives him cause hes a former wow player with many mounts. People like grinding content for more then just gear. Once your fully geared with bis stuff, your only real push would be getting skins and achievements. Some people (including myself) dislike all the skins I just wanna look like how I created my guy. It would be cool if instead of new skins they start introducing more mounts for super hard to earn achievements. Even in the base game dungeons, completing one on hard mode with no deaths or whatever could earn you a different horse or a simple mount. The harder the dungeon the cooler then mount. They dont have to be as visually spectacular as the crown store mounts, but they could be cool enough for the average player who doesnt want to spend 30 dollars on a reskinned bear. There will always be people who spend lots of money for the gamble of a radiant apex.

In WoW people complain about all the re-skins they get aswell


I'm of the type that actually don't want a massive variety of mount types in ESO. I don't like all the glowing weird senches made of frost and fire with sparkles coming out of their nostrils and whatnot. I like mounts that fit the world of Elder Scrolls. Mounts that are creatures that exist in the world and makes sense to turn into a mount. Not like in WoW where they make up something "cool" with zero lore or reasoning behind it besides coolfactor and throw it either into the store, or as some achievment reward.


It would be fantastic though, if we could get more things that's possible to recieve ingame. Either through quests, achievments or just purchased for gold. Years ago I was so disappointed there was no way to obtain a guar mount in the game.I expected there to be one being sold at the stables in dunmer and argonian zones, but no.

We need more cosmetic rewards obtainable in the game.

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

I'm of the type that actually don't want a massive variety in mount types in ESO. I don't like all the glowing weird senche's made of frost and fire with sparkles coming out of their nostrils and whatnot. I like mounts that fit the world of Elder Scrolls.

You know what.
I have to agree with this.

Too much "shine" gets annoying.

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

It would be fantastic though, if we could get more things that's possible to recieve ingame. Either through quests, achievments or just purchased for gold. Years ago I was so disappointed there was no way to obtain a guar mount in the game.I expected there to be one being sold at the stables in dunmer and argonian zones, but no.

I remember the first time I visited some DLC areas and was given a pet just for going to that area. While I appreciated it, why not just put that as a REWARD for doing quests or finishing the quest line in those areas instead of just "here ya go". What incentive is there to do the questing and spend time other than if you really wanted to play just for the story there? Almost every quest you complete in ESO is just trash gear, junk, and a little bit of gold. What's the point? It seems ZoS' focal points for cosmetics is way off balance when they have a great opportunity.

One way they could go about this: Continue the Crown Store sales with **NEW** cosmetic items (mounts, pets, etc) not reskins and at that same time make the **OLDER** cosmetics achievable through in-game content/achievements. Not only will that incentivize players to actually PLAY content, but also the team @ ZoS to keep new content going full circle. It's gotten really REALLY stagnant in that area. The feeling of accomplishment you get from earning a nice mount brings back players for more and far succeeds the shallow blessing of RNGesus from a crate.

Just my opinion on one way to make a healthier ecosystem in the game...

That's cool.

But having a backstory to the mount you gained is cooler.

Also, makes little sense that there aren't any guars to buy even in morrowind's stables.

I'm all in favour of in-game earnable mounts.

I worry a bit about the "variety" element. To keep it lore friendly (not that ZOS has done that much thus far) while continuously releasing new mounts would be difficult. I'd rather see fewer mount releases, than more crazy mounts... but I would like to see all of them be earnable in-game.

Ratzkifal wrote: »

I mean, it's pretty simple. If the first year of ESO hadn't sucked so bad and more people had subscribed to play, we'd have more earnable mounts in ESO today (probably).

This is reasonable...

Ratzkifal wrote: »

But apparently ESO couldn't sustain itself just on sub2play, so they went the other route that pretty much every other MMO than WoW is forced to go sooner or later. Drop sub2play and go for ingame purchases instead.

... this, however, is a massive simplification that keeps getting referred to as if is the entirety of the facts.

We don't know if ESO could sustain itself through just p2p. The late-in-the-day console announcement, consequent development requirements (leading to the content drought on PC/MAC), and wrangles around multiple subscription requirements between ZOS, Sony and MS made sure of only one thing.... we never found out if a fully dev-supported ESO could have remained sub-only. That situation was never actually tested.

Ratzkifal wrote: »

I mean, it's pretty simple. If the first year of ESO hadn't sucked so bad and more people had subscribed to play, we'd have more earnable mounts in ESO today (probably).
But apparently ESO couldn't sustain itself just on sub2play, so they went the other route that pretty much every other MMO than WoW is forced to go sooner or later. Drop sub2play and go for ingame purchases instead.

Recently there was an outrage over WoW's new store mount as it is leagues better than the same reskinned mounts they give you for both tough and minor achievements. The reason for this is simply because people are already buying expansions AND subbing AND buying lvl boosts and feel like their time playing would be more worth it if they could earn those mounts ingame.

I feel ESO can still learn a lot from WoW just as WoW keeps learning from ESO. We need more collectibles that are earnable through ingame means. And ZOS seems to willing to add these too. Just look at the new Siegemaster and recently new Gladiator outfit. Sure, there could be a whole more, but WoW is also quite a few years older than ESO and has a massive headstart in terms of content.

What I'd like to see is add an intersting and unique collectible to each basegame zone to both revitalize those zones and add more reasons to play the game. Fashion is the true endgame of every respectable MMO!

They can sustain themselfs with a sub model. However the shareholders wanted more money. So they switched to a crownstore model like so many games do. Lure them in with a free game, then head in for the kill with overpriced shiny stuff. Huge difference.

xeNNNNN wrote: »

madeeh91rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Was just enjoying quality time on YouTube yesterday evening, when I came across This Video.
And saw all the varieties of so many EARN-ABLE mounts they have in WoW.

And immediately thought about the RE-SKINS that Zenimax SELLS us as brand "new" mounts every three months.
The feeling that sparked was not very cool. Not cool at all. Sad.

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And no, those Indriks(with all of their different skins) are nowhere near as cool as the mounts in the video. And the ticket grind for them is a non-fun chore.

And yes, I did watch the recent alcast video on the new earn-able senche from the Elsweyr Trial.
And no, I'm afraid to say that, I personally , would hardly use it even if it came for free.
And yes, that senche is also a RE-SKIN. Not a new mount.


So yeah...
Now I've got it out of my system.
It's y'all readers' burden now

1) WoW is hyper-fantasy. ESO is not.
2) WoW has much more wildlife that is generally larger and much easier to turn into a mount.
3) Earnable mounts would only work constantly if ESO was pure subscription still. It is not. Thus its not viable economically for them to do so if their parent company dictates a certain amount of revenue per quarter.

Overall, WoW benefits from a far more diverse mount grouping purely because of the scale of the fantasy world they have and the type. They also benefit from the fact they are pure sub and dont actually require a store but have one anyway and it is also viable for them economically.

The only way any of us could determine if it was viable economically for ESO is if ZoS shared their quarterly earnings reports + expenditure and how much of all that flows back into zenimax and ZoS as a studio.

Yes, WOW is more wild so they can add more stuff as mounts,
its also way older so its collected more over the years.
That graphic is simpler / more carton also help.

Still remember the first pet I got in wow, it was an kitten dropping from some random mob while leveling.

madeeh91rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Was just enjoying quality time on YouTube yesterday evening, when I came across This Video.
And saw all the varieties of so many EARN-ABLE mounts they have in WoW.

It is their monetization model. Why let people (easily) earn it for free, when you can either a) throw in a punishing grind or put it in the hardest content (with a punishing grind) to make the option of b) simply opening your wallet to buy it the more reasonable choice.

Given how it isn't simply cosmetics anymore, and is moving into a much muddier and contentious area, I see there being a community split in the next 2 years. It's like with TRION and how they managed ArcheAge's monetization: the P2W kiddies stayed, and everyone else ditched that sinking ship.

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

It would be fantastic though, if we could get more things that's possible to recieve ingame. Either through quests, achievments or just purchased for gold. Years ago I was so disappointed there was no way to obtain a guar mount in the game.I expected there to be one being sold at the stables in dunmer and argonian zones, but no.

I remember the first time I visited some DLC areas and was given a pet just for going to that area. While I appreciated it, why not just put that as a REWARD for doing quests or finishing the quest line in those areas instead of just "here ya go". What incentive is there to do the questing and spend time other than if you really wanted to play just for the story there? Almost every quest you complete in ESO is just trash gear, junk, and a little bit of gold. What's the point? It seems ZoS' focal points for cosmetics is way off balance when they have a great opportunity.

madeeh91rwb17_ESO wrote: »

You know what.
I have to agree with this.

Too much "shine" gets annoying.

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My main gripe was, earn-ability and re-skining.

But now, I am not too much against re-skins.
Creatures too outlandish with no background in Lore can certainly become even more annoying.

I think one good idea would be to add mounts, costumes and other cosmetics as rewards from end quests and big achievments in Chapters and DLCs. That way it will encourage people to not only buy those Chapters and dlcs, but also to do their content. ZOS earn money and we get cosmetics that we can earn in the game without throwing away extra real life money. Win win.
Having a little carrot on a stick infront of us can do quite a bit, and I'd likely would have done some dlcs earlier if lets say: We got a wamasu mount from doing Murkmire or some coming dlc that is related to Black March. Or how about a donkey from doing something in Elsweyr?

Sure there is a limit to how many creatures in ESO works as a mount but you can make them quite varied if you want to.
Different skin/fur colours and patterns, equipment and a slight variation in "breeds" that is still reasonable.
Re-skins aren't that bad if they are done well. Like the recent Baandari mounts. Sure they are the same standard horse, guar, wolf etc we usually have, but they got some nice unique equipment on them with a lot of details. Another example would be the Frostbane Horse from the Scalecaller crates. It's still a horse yet it's different without leaving glowing hoofprints and being made out of light.

I for one would love to have guars and other mounts with different patterns and equipment without unnecessary shine. Like a proper Treasure Hunter mount that got several bags on it and is cluttered with tools and doodads. Not just the standard horse with the standard armour that got a slight change.

good thing you didn't see eq2 mounts. they "gasp" have buffs: stays on with combat, zoning for group and raid content too. some instances don't allow mounts but you keep the buff. there is a appearance slot for them also but you have to use the same movement type: flying, running and jumping.

you should see my ranger, elmer fudd, on his bunny mount.