Of all the MMO's that I have played, I would have to say that RIFT circa 2013-2014 would get my vote for the Best MMO that I have played to date. After that time frame, they lost players due to not putting out new content. They chose to reuse older content and tune it for the higher class level instead of actually giving the players some new content. After that it was too late and the players were gone on to other MMO's like ESO.

With Rift, they had a very robust Role and Soul system, this allowed you to create your own custom build for what you wanted to play at the time. Tank, DPS, Heals, Support, PVP, Hybrids of some or all of those.

You could purchase additional slots so that you could have up to I think it was 10 defined builds with equipment and skills on the skill bars saves in equipment and role slots.

You had the ability to write and use scripts. This allowed me to have a button on my action bars for Tank, DPS, Heals, Support... Etc. and you could switch while out of combat. And you had the ability to script skills as well. This allowed for one-button game play if your script actually worked well.

You brought your character to the raid, and then worried after that what function that you were going to fulfill for that raid.
In one particular 10 man raid that I can remember, I off-tanked the first boss. Healed the second boss, DPS'ed the third boss, and off tanked the last boss.

Oh yea, RIFT had 60-man 3-faction PVP that didn't lag all the time. I played it some, but it wasn't my reason for playing RIFT.


So while I like ESO, I can't in my mind say that it is the "best" MMO to date. It might be the best for holding my interest at this current date and time of the available options that are out there, but there are so many limits and missing functionality to the game that I have had in other MMO's that I have to give it a B or C rating when I compare ESO to other MMO's.
ESO has it's own uniqueness to it, and it current state of gameplay is different from several of the other MMO's out there.
Sadly, for me, I don't think that there is an A+ MMO for me with my interests to play at this time.

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Now for Cross Platform play... IMO it's a bad idea. You have to keep in mind the lowest common denominator rule when you are comparing game play like this. The game overall will be limited to the functionality of the lowest common denominator. As I am a longtime PC player and I have not tried console gaming, I cant really speak to how gameplay is in the consoles, but from what I read in these forums, the consoles would be dragging down the PC players if it was truly a game engine that allowed for all 3 flavors of players to play together.


That's my $.02 worth on the subject.
Hope that you all have a nice weekend.
Thorvik.

celner4_ESO wrote: »

magictucktuck wrote: »

It sounds like a well done fake story from a salesman almost.. I mean cross platform would be great but to have had the experience you had in game and not know its was not cross platform.... you lost me there... what are you getting out of this?

Uhm, how so? Did you read the full post? Nothing for me to gain lying about all of this. Why assume I'm lying instead of asking for clarification if you'd become confused at any point reading the OP, assuming you read it all.

But to clarify for you, I had misunderstood from my brother at the time when the game launched that accounts were transferable, not knowing it was a one time only thing. Since my brother decided to transfer from console to PC he told me about it as an option and that's where I'd had a misunderstanding until far later on when my Ps4 pooped out and I was still thinking oh I can just transfer to PC anyway this is a perfect excuse to build a new rig....

None of that is ZOS responsibility either and I'm not saying my misunderstanding is their fault. I'm only giving my case as to what I think of no cross-platform play / transfers and why I don't believe it's good for the game especially the long term.

Never worked in sales but thanks for the compliment and insult all at once. >.<

idk wrote: »

Wolfpaw wrote: »

I also thought they would have character transfers to different platforms by now considering zos did allow pc toons to transfer at console release.

Zos made clear that they did not want to build the tool required to make transfers possible to a live server and they have kept that message available for all to see in their help section. This has been noted earlier in this thread.

This, the pc to console was easier as they simply moved the database and deleted the users who did not transfer.

And an transfer system is possible to build however its some work to build and test so it don't mess up stuff.

Main issue with cross-play is that it would go from 6 to 2 megaservers who would kill server performance for stuff like finder and login. Its also platform issues like consoles has in game voice chat and pc has mods.

ESO best MMO, nice joke dude, it had the potential but ZOS took it and threw it straight into the trashcan with their aggressive monetization strategy and trying so hard to appeal to roleplayers and casuals by lowering the skill ceiling each patch.
But to be fair the new patch looks exciting, maybe it will be worth returning, but with classic Wow around the corner im not really certain I wanna spend time on this game anymore.

Saying a game that is nearly half a decade old that doesn't have cross-play/save as being anti-consumer, is a bit hyperbolic. While I don't think not having cross-play is anti-consumer in general, however if the game was released now and didn't have it, then fair enough, but labeling an established product for not having a relatively new and niche concept is just wrong.

This is coming from someone who does find a lot of things ZoS does as anti-consumer, but this isn't one of them.

In regards to the actual discussion on cross-play/save, it all boils down to risk vs rewards. Given the game wasn't designed for it would mean they would have to go back and either do a work around to make it viable, or restructure their DBs and megaservers to accommodate the function. Which is not only time/cost consuming, it also runs the risk of screwing more things up then what it is gained. While most bring up front end issues(mods, VC, etc) I would assume most of the issues and reasoning against it is in the back end and probably issues dealing with closed systems such as Xbox and Sony.

In short it isn't worth it. Majority of those will still play on their preferred platform, and the ability to switch would only be "nice" for a select minority.

Fermian wrote: »

Imo cross platform save would be a good investment.

I mean I'm playing on my xbox now and have no reason to change. But I don’t think I will restart ESO when I’m moving to PC gaming again. Probably will start a new MMO.

Also keep in mind a new generation of consoles is coming.

Long term you will keep a lot of players which you would lose without cross platform save.

Add to this that some pc players will enjoy the option to play on console for some couch play sessions.

I think it would be more profitable than the release of a expansion.

The new gens won't matter much, as it will be a lateral move. Now those who switch consoles would be screwed, but generally speaking most will simply upgrade to their established platform. Not having cross-platform only impacts a small minority.

PC players already have work-around for couch play, if need be, also there's the debate of preferred and established play-style(controller vs keyboard). Once again this impacts a small niche group of players who either switch between controller/KBM or those that play on both console and PC.

From a profitability standpoint, I can guarantee it wouldn't be. Simply due to the fact you immediately remove a revenue stream from people who switch platforms(and rebuy) or buy for both. Not to mention it is something that only impacts a small % of the population, compared to an expansion which is beneficial to all players.

Similar to the Linux crowd on PC, Cross-Platform/Save fans seem to overstate the benefit it can have, when in reality its potential market is quite small.

BrooksP wrote: »

Fermian wrote: »

Imo cross platform save would be a good investment.

I mean I'm playing on my xbox now and have no reason to change. But I don’t think I will restart ESO when I’m moving to PC gaming again. Probably will start a new MMO.

Also keep in mind a new generation of consoles is coming.

Long term you will keep a lot of players which you would lose without cross platform save.

Add to this that some pc players will enjoy the option to play on console for some couch play sessions.

I think it would be more profitable than the release of a expansion.

The new gens won't matter much, as it will be a lateral move. Now those who switch consoles would be screwed, but generally speaking most will simply upgrade to their established platform. Not having cross-platform only impacts a small minority.

PC players already have work-around for couch play, if need be, also there's the debate of preferred and established play-style(controller vs keyboard). Once again this impacts a small niche group of players who either switch between controller/KBM or those that play on both console and PC.

From a profitability standpoint, I can guarantee it wouldn't be. Simply due to the fact you immediately remove a revenue stream from people who switch platforms(and rebuy) or buy for both. Not to mention it is something that only impacts a small % of the population, compared to an expansion which is beneficial to all players.

Similar to the Linux crowd on PC, Cross-Platform/Save fans seem to overstate the benefit it can have, when in reality its potential market is quite small.

Well I don’t have the numbers. But while it impacts a small population it will have the same impact during the next ten years. An expansion is a short term thing. And you will still have to buy the game while changing platforms.

BrooksP wrote: »

Saying a game that is nearly half a decade old that doesn't have cross-play/save as being anti-consumer, is a bit hyperbolic. While I don't think not having cross-play is anti-consumer in general, however if the game was released now and didn't have it, then fair enough, but labeling an established product for not having a relatively new and niche concept is just wrong.

This is coming from someone who does find a lot of things ZoS does as anti-consumer, but this isn't one of them.

In regards to the actual discussion on cross-play/save, it all boils down to risk vs rewards. Given the game wasn't designed for it would mean they would have to go back and either do a work around to make it viable, or restructure their DBs and megaservers to accommodate the function. Which is not only time/cost consuming, it also runs the risk of screwing more things up then what it is gained. While most bring up front end issues(mods, VC, etc) I would assume most of the issues and reasoning against it is in the back end and probably issues dealing with closed systems such as Xbox and Sony.

In short it isn't worth it. Majority of those will still play on their preferred platform, and the ability to switch would only be "nice" for a select minority.

I appreciate your opinion further down, but how is what I said hyperbolic at all? And I make the case just from my own experience for why it's anti consumer unless you didn't read that?

Regardless this is a little while after I'd Posted this, Bethesda had an interview in regards to cross play, cross saving more so (which again THAT is what i want, cross play i could care less about but people are hyper focused on it), and purely based on the response it sounds like a feature that is coming.