Dolmens 2019, isn't it time to actually fix them?

Saraya · July 2019

After how many years, Dolmens are still terrible.

No challenge
No effort
It's ridiculous how mobs die before they even appear on screen because of AoE spam.

1. Either make the mobs far more difficult, requiring people to actually coordinate.

Benefits :

Challenge
Risk
Enjoyment
Communication (yes people in MMOs use to have to talk to each other, even outside of raiding).
Community

or

2. Leave them alone and remove all the set loot and experience gain.

Seriously stop pumping out regurgitated rehashed DLCs and start making the game worth playing. What is the point of open world shared content where Dolmens are concerned?

[Edit to remove bait]

Heyodude · July 2019

dolmens are a defacto tool to solo level and get skyshards by yourself, they're utility not immersion.

Vercingetorix · July 2019

Yeah, your request will fall on deaf ears because the vast majority of the player base including myself feel dolmens are specifically for grinding xp and loot. Alikir exists for a reason and one of the options a player has for passively leveling skills on their bar. If you want an overland challenge, seriously go to Craglorn - I promise you there's plenty of challenge for a solo player in Shada's Tear.

Dusk_Coven · July 2019

Or maybe they are no longer challenging for many people because there are too many established players around with toons that can solo them.
Sometimes you still see lower levels, probably newer players, but I think most people grinded up at Alik'r already.

We could "fix" Alik'r by changing the XP reward to be divided by the total number of recipients.
Then offer a zoom-to-level-50 token in the Crown Store.

But the forums will be up in arms as that being the "end of the world".
Then that ZOS employee who tweets an "end of the world" meme will be fired even though that would be the sentiment of the grinders here.

jainiadral · July 2019

If you do all of these things, absolutely no one would touch dolmens. The problem with dolmens is not that a) they're easy, b) soloable, c) too rewarding, d) create a "lazy" culture.

The problem is they're dull as dishwater. They're copy-pasta, samey-same content ad nauseum. Making them harder isn't suddenly going to make them fun or engaging. Giving them gameplay variety, different beasties, maybe changes in sequence or mechanics, music, or just general scenery and lighting might make them a little more interesting.

Dolmens' lack of difficulty and relatively decent rewards per effort is what keeps people doing them. It's their sole saving grace.

RebornV3x · July 2019

they need to scale like the Geysers in Summerset there just right

jadarock · July 2019

Bruh .... there are more pressing issues to "fix"

Ysbriel · July 2019

Saraya wrote: »

After how many years, Dolmens are still terrible.
No challenge

No effort

It's ridiculous how mobs die before they even appear on screen because of AoE spam.

Allows lazy players to do achieve things without having to try - creates a poor in-game culture

1. Either make the mobs far more difficult, requiring people to actually coordinate.

Benefits :

Challenge

Risk

Enjoyment

Communication (yes people in MMOs use to have to talk to each other, even outside of raiding, yes kids, it happened).

Community

or

2. Leave them alone and remove all the set loot and experience gain.

Benefits :

Then people will stop being lazy losers and grinding them out instead of actually playing the game.

Seriously stop pumping out regurgitated rehashed DLCs and start making the game worth playing. What is the point of open world shared content where Dolmens are concerned?

1) YOU, can simply avoid doing dolmens yourself.
2) YOU, can simply let people do their own thing since it does not affect YOUR gameplay.
3) MMO games always have a grid spot somewhere.
4) remember 1&2.

jadarock · July 2019

OP wants to change the radio out when the vehicle barely runs smh

ZonasArch · July 2019

Saraya wrote: »

After how many years, Dolmens are still terrible.
No challenge

No effort

It's ridiculous how mobs die before they even appear on screen because of AoE spam.

Allows lazy players to do achieve things without having to try - creates a poor in-game culture

1. Either make the mobs far more difficult, requiring people to actually coordinate.

Benefits :

Challenge

Risk

Enjoyment

Communication (yes people in MMOs use to have to talk to each other, even outside of raiding, yes kids, it happened).

Community

or

2. Leave them alone and remove all the set loot and experience gain.

Benefits :

Then people will stop being lazy losers and grinding them out instead of actually playing the game.

Seriously stop pumping out regurgitated rehashed DLCs and start making the game worth playing. What is the point of open world shared content where Dolmens are concerned?

You want challenge and dolmen? Go cyrodiil. Problem solved for you.

Androconium · July 2019

The only problem will dolmens, for me anyway, is the red static charge circles they put in to stop botters.

For me, sometimes it's just the mindless random fun. There's always a different mix of players all doing their own thing without any of the toxicity of dungeon play. Watching Alikr players rushing to and from the wayshrines is always a player spectacle that you don't get anywhere else.

All I'd like to see changed is the removal of the static charge and replacing all the white-trash drops with coloured versions.

Also, Nobody ever mentions that they are used to increase Fighter's Guild skill points.

Red_Feather · July 2019

Here's a fun idea. Will anyone see it.

Every time you beat a dolmen you get a hidden buff called 'death mark'.

When a dolmen activates it sees how many players are involved and how many of them have death marks.

Dolmen does something really hard if enough death marks are participating.

Like a super world boss encounter from molag bal.

Synnastix · July 2019

Dolmen is fine, a couple zones are used to grind but others have dolmen that come and go with no players ever touching it. Sounds like your beef is with other players and not actually the dolmens.

Mettaricana · July 2019

Better idea make dolmens random location spawns and work like the way they did in the intro cutscene. Have chains fall from the gate in the sky hit the ground and lock in place have endless daedra spawn around each hook to guard it and we have t dps down the hooks and daedra instead of pulling a lame pin. Make it drop like 3-8 hooks depending on players present to keep the challenge up. Have multiple boss class enemies spawn near the end of each hooks life.

jainiadral · July 2019

Androconium wrote: »

Also, Nobody ever mentions that they are used to increase Fighter's Guild skill points.

Does anyone use them for leveling FG? It's faster to kill those "random" daedra spawns, just running back and forth over the same stretch of terrain to respawn them.

*shrug* I tried leveling FG on my main toon via dolmen dailies. I think I lasted three days. Now, unless I'm on a leveling toon or see someone who needs help soloing one, I just ride the opposite way when the cultists show up.

LordGavus · July 2019

Red_Feather wrote: »

Here's a fun idea. Will anyone see it.

Every time you beat a dolmen you get a hidden buff called 'death mark'.

When a dolmen activates it sees how many players are involved and how many of them have death marks.

Dolmen does something really hard if enough death marks are participating.

Like a super world boss encounter from molag bal.

This could be cool.

jainiadral · July 2019

Red_Feather wrote: »

Here's a fun idea. Will anyone see it.

Every time you beat a dolmen you get a hidden buff called 'death mark'.

When a dolmen activates it sees how many players are involved and how many of them have death marks.

Dolmen does something really hard if enough death marks are participating.

Like a super world boss encounter from molag bal.

You know, that could be interesting

Tentative thumbs up.

Red_Feather · July 2019

Could just spawn this guy or a tweaked version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpZXaLoFQ3o&t=23m

JumpmanLane · July 2019

Saraya wrote: »

After how many years, Dolmens are still terrible.
No challenge

No effort

It's ridiculous how mobs die before they even appear on screen because of AoE spam.

Allows lazy players to do achieve things without having to try - creates a poor in-game culture

1. Either make the mobs far more difficult, requiring people to actually coordinate.

Benefits :

Challenge

Risk

Enjoyment

Communication (yes people in MMOs use to have to talk to each other, even outside of raiding, yes kids, it happened).

Community

or

2. Leave them alone and remove all the set loot and experience gain.

Benefits :

Then people will stop being lazy losers and grinding them out instead of actually playing the game.

Seriously stop pumping out regurgitated rehashed DLCs and start making the game worth playing. What is the point of open world shared content where Dolmens are concerned?

You’re a busy body op. Go solo a dragon or something. Dolmen are a challenge for new people. Encourage ZOS to fix a bug or something or improve performance. Geeze...you got ya lil Daedric Lord Slayer title! GET ON! Hehehehe

MisterBigglesworth · July 2019

Saraya wrote: »

creates a poor in-game culture

(citation needed)

AcadianPaladin · July 2019

I think dolmens offer a perfect level of challenge. With some levels, care and skill, they can be soloed - and I love that there is a fair amount of fun/challenging things for solo players to do since the game was/is marketed to both solo and group players. For young chars / new players, a few others around to help will do the job. Dolmens are a great way to level up FG and farm for purple jewelry sets.

For those who want more challenge, the game offers plenty of other places to find it. Many players (like me) consider 'coordinating efforts with others' no more fun than trying to herd cats.

Gronk · July 2019

Dolmens are herding cats! Cat herd XP!! so many Khajiits at dolmens today. Or... Maybe they are using the sand for something else. Step carefully!!!!

HiLyfe808 · July 2019

What i'm most curious about is what's it to you? If your not happy with it there are many other things you can do. No need to be calling people lazy losers because you don't enjoy it, or not "challenging" enough.

If you don't feel like the game is worth playing, there are other games out there. Maybe it's time for you to move on.

MartiniDaniels · July 2019

No. Though I want ZOS to create separate instances of overland for veteran players, I understand dolmens are very important for newbies, they still should be doable by several new players - and I often see how they struggle even now.
From that point i don't see how summerset dolmens are any good. They literally force new players to gather together, but there are already WB dailies for that. Dolmens should remain as they are - source of free XP and jewelry for newbies/farmers.

zaria · July 2019

Its a question about gear

Yes I got credited for it

Daedric_NB_187 · July 2019

Ummmmm.... How about no?

Mr_Walker · July 2019

OP's right, the game should be designed specifically for his requirements.

Casul · July 2019

There's only one solution. Dolmen mobs take 5% less damage per player up to 19.

twev · July 2019

jadarock wrote: »

Bruh .... there are more pressing issues to "fix"

That would be a good answer, if they actually fixed the stuff that needed fixing, instead of just nerfing/buffing/nerfing the same stuff over and over, or nerfing old sets to 'force' you to buy DLCs and grind 'new' sets to make up for the power loss from the last nerf.

twev · July 2019

zaria wrote: »

Its a question about gear

Yes I got credited for it

You're out of uniform.
You're supposed to wear your bucket helmet when swinging your broom.

FrancisCrawford · July 2019

Dolmens DO scale somewhat according to the number of players around. When I solo a dolmen, there are fewer mobs than when there's a player crowd present.