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Time to make skillpoints account based!.

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This skillpoint grind heavily discourage new players to even start playing, instead reward skillpoints on global cp so once people have gotten a certain amount of skillpoints, they are unlocked on all the other characters meaning no more blasted skyshard hunting, nobody wants to explore your maps more than once or be forced to quest for skillpoints, a good game allow all type of players, may it be grinders or questers to play the way they want efficiently.
  • saucefarb16_ESO
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    The game has so much content now that it need not slow the player down or force them to run in the hamster maze that is questing in eso.
  • VaranisArano
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    ZOS just added skyshard packs to the Crown Store.

    If they add skill point packs, its going to follow the exact same process. Earn them on one character, the pay to unlock them on the rest.
  • TheShadowScout
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    Not gonna happen.

    I mean, they -just- added purchasable skyshards, which come with skill points. They would never make skill points account wide now... tho if you whine long enough, they might add more options to buy progress mirroring from your main. I could easily see it not just for skyshards and the upcoming skill lines, but also map exploration, quest completions, even achievements.
    For a price.
    In crowns.

    Still sounds like such a good idea??
  • Dusk_Coven
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    I think it's too much to spread your questing skill points around to all your toons, plus they'd need to program in checks to make sure these thing don't double-up.

    What I can see if a zoom-to-level-50 token in the Crown Store, however.
    SWTOR, which allows people to have literally scores of alts, offer this. We already have 18 toons max. If that number grows, the demand for a shortcut to level 50 will increase.
  • Corpier
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    They won't make skillpoints account bound for the same reason they won't make mount training account bound.

    Crown Store -pay for convenience- fast tracks available.

    They. Want. Money.
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  • saucefarb16_ESO
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    Not gonna happen.

    I mean, they -just- added purchasable skyshards, which come with skill points. They would never make skill points account wide now... tho if you whine long enough, they might add more options to buy progress mirroring from your main. I could easily see it not just for skyshards and the upcoming skill lines, but also map exploration, quest completions, even achievements.
    For a price.
    In crowns.

    Still sounds like such a good idea??

    The way you described it certainly not, i have 6 characters, i don't have interest to quest or hunt for skyshards again, not going to happen, i rather quit then.
  • saucefarb16_ESO
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    How many crowns is it to mirror ? i bet its the same amount to buy the largest houses.
  • Cpt_Teemo
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    Not gonna happen.

    I mean, they -just- added purchasable skyshards, which come with skill points. They would never make skill points account wide now... tho if you whine long enough, they might add more options to buy progress mirroring from your main. I could easily see it not just for skyshards and the upcoming skill lines, but also map exploration, quest completions, even achievements.
    For a price.
    In crowns.

    Still sounds like such a good idea??

    The way you described it certainly not, i have 6 characters, i don't have interest to quest or hunt for skyshards again, not going to happen, i rather quit then.

    Agreed to much time to invest into doing things multiple times tbh, just gets tedious to unlock the skill pts all over again, other games did it much different and skills are much easier to obtain in other games as well, least they could do is have the unlocks as account wide purchases not per character just plain greedy imo
  • VaranisArano
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    Cpt_Teemo wrote: »
    Not gonna happen.

    I mean, they -just- added purchasable skyshards, which come with skill points. They would never make skill points account wide now... tho if you whine long enough, they might add more options to buy progress mirroring from your main. I could easily see it not just for skyshards and the upcoming skill lines, but also map exploration, quest completions, even achievements.
    For a price.
    In crowns.

    Still sounds like such a good idea??

    The way you described it certainly not, i have 6 characters, i don't have interest to quest or hunt for skyshards again, not going to happen, i rather quit then.

    Agreed to much time to invest into doing things multiple times tbh, just gets tedious to unlock the skill pts all over again, other games did it much different and skills are much easier to obtain in other games as well, least they could do is have the unlocks as account wide purchases not per character just plain greedy imo

    Yes...ZOS is definitely just plain greedy for charging players who want to skip exploring/leveling the guild skill lines...

    I mean, you can get those skyshards/skill lines for free by playing the game. Why on earth would ZOS want to make it free to skip playing the game?
  • srfrogg23
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    This skillpoint grind heavily discourage new players to even start playing, instead reward skillpoints on global cp so once people have gotten a certain amount of skillpoints, they are unlocked on all the other characters meaning no more blasted skyshard hunting, nobody wants to explore your maps more than once or be forced to quest for skillpoints, a good game allow all type of players, may it be grinders or questers to play the way they want efficiently.

    1. New players don't have a frame of reference for "the skill point grind on multiple alts". They're new. They will get enough skill points through the leveling process that there won't even be "a grind" at that point.

    2. This specific request is exactly why skill points are now sold on the crown store. You're welcome.
  • rotaugen454
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    15,000 crowns= mirror a character’s skill points
    "Get off my lawn!"
  • saucefarb16_ESO
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    srfrogg23 wrote: »
    This skillpoint grind heavily discourage new players to even start playing, instead reward skillpoints on global cp so once people have gotten a certain amount of skillpoints, they are unlocked on all the other characters meaning no more blasted skyshard hunting, nobody wants to explore your maps more than once or be forced to quest for skillpoints, a good game allow all type of players, may it be grinders or questers to play the way they want efficiently.

    1. New players don't have a frame of reference for "the skill point grind on multiple alts". They're new. They will get enough skill points through the leveling process that there won't even be "a grind" at that point.

    2. This specific request is exactly why skill points are now sold on the crown store. You're welcome.

    Yeah, like anyone is going to pay 800 for 5 skillpoints.
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    srfrogg23 wrote: »
    This skillpoint grind heavily discourage new players to even start playing, instead reward skillpoints on global cp so once people have gotten a certain amount of skillpoints, they are unlocked on all the other characters meaning no more blasted skyshard hunting, nobody wants to explore your maps more than once or be forced to quest for skillpoints, a good game allow all type of players, may it be grinders or questers to play the way they want efficiently.

    1. New players don't have a frame of reference for "the skill point grind on multiple alts". They're new. They will get enough skill points through the leveling process that there won't even be "a grind" at that point.

    2. This specific request is exactly why skill points are now sold on the crown store. You're welcome.

    Yeah, like anyone is going to pay 800 for 5 skillpoints.

    Sure they will. I did it on two necros to start them off with a full skill bar so they would level skills as fast as possible. By the time they were level 50, I had the two skill bars I wanted.
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  • Ardaghion
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    srfrogg23 wrote: »
    This skillpoint grind heavily discourage new players to even start playing, instead reward skillpoints on global cp so once people have gotten a certain amount of skillpoints, they are unlocked on all the other characters meaning no more blasted skyshard hunting, nobody wants to explore your maps more than once or be forced to quest for skillpoints, a good game allow all type of players, may it be grinders or questers to play the way they want efficiently.

    1. New players don't have a frame of reference for "the skill point grind on multiple alts". They're new. They will get enough skill points through the leveling process that there won't even be "a grind" at that point.

    2. This specific request is exactly why skill points are now sold on the crown store. You're welcome.

    Yeah, like anyone is going to pay 800 for 5 skillpoints.

    Some people will pay anything for convenience.
  • rotaugen454
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    Ardaghion wrote: »
    srfrogg23 wrote: »
    This skillpoint grind heavily discourage new players to even start playing, instead reward skillpoints on global cp so once people have gotten a certain amount of skillpoints, they are unlocked on all the other characters meaning no more blasted skyshard hunting, nobody wants to explore your maps more than once or be forced to quest for skillpoints, a good game allow all type of players, may it be grinders or questers to play the way they want efficiently.

    1. New players don't have a frame of reference for "the skill point grind on multiple alts". They're new. They will get enough skill points through the leveling process that there won't even be "a grind" at that point.

    2. This specific request is exactly why skill points are now sold on the crown store. You're welcome.

    Yeah, like anyone is going to pay 800 for 5 skillpoints.

    Some people will pay anything for convenience.

    Some people have high paying careers and little available game time.
    "Get off my lawn!"
  • saucefarb16_ESO
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    I don't give a rats ass what's in the crown store as i'm not going to buy it ever period. It was not what this post was about, you decided to come in here and *** about what's in the store,

    But at this point i don't care, i've played online games for 25 years, since Ultima Online, i know a good and a bad online game when i see one.
  • Dusk_Coven
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    Yeah, like anyone is going to pay 800 for 5 skillpoints.

    Some people IRL will pay $120,000+ for a watch.
    Just because you can't imagine it / understand it / justify it for yourself doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
    The market is a crazy place that defies explanation.
  • Tommy_The_Gun
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    tbh. If you ask for it it will be monetized by ZOS 101%

    - ZOS added skyshards skill points to the Crown Store
    - ZOS added guild skill lines to the Crown Store & fully leveled WW & Vamp in the future.
    - They WILL add this too (skillpoints).
    - If it go that way, they will add instant LvL 50 upgrade too.

    In short, it is getting worse & worse and will be on a very edge of "P2W" territory, if it is not already.
  • Thorvik_Tyrson
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    srfrogg23 wrote: »
    This skillpoint grind heavily discourage new players to even start playing, instead reward skillpoints on global cp so once people have gotten a certain amount of skillpoints, they are unlocked on all the other characters meaning no more blasted skyshard hunting, nobody wants to explore your maps more than once or be forced to quest for skillpoints, a good game allow all type of players, may it be grinders or questers to play the way they want efficiently.

    1. New players don't have a frame of reference for "the skill point grind on multiple alts". They're new. They will get enough skill points through the leveling process that there won't even be "a grind" at that point.

    2. This specific request is exactly why skill points are now sold on the crown store. You're welcome.

    I'm just now getting into the skill point grind. I have two 50's and my crafting alt is at 47. I have learned that the skill points that I got from leveling to 50 isnt nearly enough to unlock all that I need just for the main abilities and passives of the class. Much less everything else that is needed for basic crafting on the non crafting characters that just do the daily quests.

    By that I mean, points into Alchemy for spotting herbs from a distance, Mutiple alchemy and provisioning crafting (Making 2-4 potions per craft and the same for food/drink)

    I'm sure that I saw a post that detailed out all of the skill points needed for crafting, I'm still figuring out if I can get that just by running around and grabbing the skyshards that are not in Delves.


    With the addition of skyshard purchases in the Crown Store, I am fairly certain that a change like the one requested will not be added.

    In all honesty, its really doesnt take that long to run around and grab skyshards. I think I got 12 skill points in around 4-6 hours on my crafting alt last weekend. I didnt time it, so I'm not real sure when I started/finished. I just ran around grabbing skyshards and wayshrines that I didnt have. IMO I really dont see the need to buy skyshards. its not that hard to go grab them on an alt if you really want them.

    Note: I have all 18 character slots unlocked, so I do understand the time that I will probably need to spend to get the skill points that I want on those alts. I see no reason to spend money in the crown store when all it takes is time to acquire.
  • TheShadowScout
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    The way you described it certainly not, i have 6 characters, i don't have interest to quest or hunt for skyshards again, not going to happen, i rather quit then.
    Weak! Pathetic! :p;):trollface:
    I have 18 characters, and I -still- quest and hunt skyshards.
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    ...tho I have to admit, it does get a bit tedious after a while tho. You can milk some more excitement from using different classes in different armor configurations, or make hybrid characters just to see how much they su... uhm... how much weaker they are.
    But yeah, I really am hitting the limit as what is enjoyable here... and many of my characters end up "barely played testbeds" once they get through the base content.

    No reason to quit tho, not like I care about those testbed alts after all. And I won't give a skeevers rump to what they done or haven't done. My three mains on the other hand, those I want to play everything with! (well, depending on fluff... two of them are "lawful" and won't ever do TG and DB... only one of them is a "mage" and as such done psijic... and I may make more choices if they add more guilds...)
    How many crowns is it to mirror ? i bet its the same amount to buy the largest houses.
    You'd likely win that one. It won't be cheap, that's for sure!
    Play for it, or pay for it!
    I mean, you can get those skyshards/skill lines for free by playing the game.
    ...and that is why they won't ever see any of -my- crowns spent on "skip the game" unlocks!
    (They get more then enough of them for all the visual goodies after all... Elder Fashion Online - the TRUE endgame!)
  • Tai-Chi
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    I hardly think that potential players are discouraged from starting to play the game because of the lack of skill points. On the contrary, no one expects to start a TES game - or any other game - and jump straight in with a max level character. If they do, then they are probably looking at the wrong game.

    Whether one is a PvPer a PvEer or both, one has to earn ranks and skills to progress up the ladder. Just as in real life, this is a necessary part of 'growing' a sound character. What good is a bunch of skills or top grade equipment, when the player does not know how to use them? There are many fitting that ilk running about Tamriel.

    There are plenty of people who play for the questing and open-ended environment, as well as for the Dungeons and Trials. They enjoy the stories, the NPCs they meet along the way, the lore surrounding their lives and the circumstances they find themselves in. They take pleasure in the beautiful graphics, the diverse scenery, the music and dialogue - which all combine to create an awe-inspiring fantasy world.

    Isn't this what ESO and TES games in general are all about and what they are renowned for?

    There is so much content in the game and different ways of earning skill-points, or obtaining sky-shards, that no two characters need overlap in the content they play, nor the rout they take for their development.

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    I don't give a rats ass what's in the crown store as i'm not going to buy it ever period. It was not what this post was about, you decided to come in here and *** about what's in the store,

    But at this point i don't care, i've played online games for 25 years, since Ultima Online, i know a good and a bad online game when i see one.

    People are just informing you that what you are asking for makes no sense. ZOS just decided to start selling skillpoints. Why would they make it account bout now? Since you have to have aquired the skill points on a character before buying them for another, binding them to your account makes that pointless. They aren't going to pass up that money. People are buying them.

    If you think this is a bad online game then go play a good one. It's really not worth stressing out over.
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  • Aurie
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    OP why don’t you just ask for an upgrade to maximum CP, including skill points and all achievements, and maybe throw in a few bis sets while you are at it? Or perhaps an upgrade that plays the game for you, while you sit with a nice cup of tea and watch your character progress?
  • Muzzick
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    Ardaghion wrote: »
    srfrogg23 wrote: »
    This skillpoint grind heavily discourage new players to even start playing, instead reward skillpoints on global cp so once people have gotten a certain amount of skillpoints, they are unlocked on all the other characters meaning no more blasted skyshard hunting, nobody wants to explore your maps more than once or be forced to quest for skillpoints, a good game allow all type of players, may it be grinders or questers to play the way they want efficiently.

    1. New players don't have a frame of reference for "the skill point grind on multiple alts". They're new. They will get enough skill points through the leveling process that there won't even be "a grind" at that point.

    2. This specific request is exactly why skill points are now sold on the crown store. You're welcome.

    Yeah, like anyone is going to pay 800 for 5 skillpoints.

    Some people will pay anything for convenience.

    Some people have high paying careers and little available game time.

    Some people have more money in real life than in game
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    I don't give a rats ass what's in the crown store as i'm not going to buy it ever period. It was not what this post was about, you decided to come in here and *** about what's in the store,

    But at this point i don't care, i've played online games for 25 years, since Ultima Online, i know a good and a bad online game when i see one.

    No need to get all defensive. People have asked for this many times. Zos's answer was it sell skyshard packs which people are buying.

    I bought the Cyrodiil skyshards for the opposite factions of my 3 new characters because I dont want to camp Cyrodiil for the skyshards behind those gates. The rest I'll get by running them down in game. You don't need every skill point to make your character viable, only about half.

    Sorry you don't like that answer, but it's not going to change.

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    Edited by Katahdin on July 16, 2019 10:22PM
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  • Aznarb
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    7 month playing casually, 5 chars, Main got all the point except the pvp ranked one, other char get more than half which is plenty enough to make 2 build + crafting.

    It's not hard and not long.
    Do that as the same time you do the MQ of each area.

    If you wanna skip the game content, ofc you gonna pay for it.
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  • disintegr8
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    I have over 20 characters with enough skill points to do whatever they need them for. without paying for any. If you don't like the way the game is designed, find another game.
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    Everyone's entitled to an opinion.
  • saucefarb16_ESO
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    disintegr8 wrote: »
    I have over 20 characters with enough skill points to do whatever they need them for. without paying for any. If you don't like the way the game is designed, find another game.

    Good for you, do you want a medal for your low attention span ?
  • KerinKor
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    Aznarb wrote: »
    It's not hard and not long.
    You're right, but it's still more effort than the "I want it and I want it now" brigade think is reasonable.
    disintegr8 wrote: »
    I have over 20 characters with enough skill points to do whatever they need them for. without paying for any. If you don't like the way the game is designed, find another game.

    Good for you, do you want a medal for your low attention span ?
    Your OP doesn't take much time to understand and dismiss as another player asking to basically skip the boring parts (as they see it) so they can get into the 'real game' (as they see it) at level cap.

    You're wrong, MMOs should NOT pander to every type of player, pandering to the instant gratification crowd is what ruins games.
  • Zer0_CooL
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    Verry bad idea!

    If they would be account based, ZOS couldnt sell them for crowns, in consequence they wouldnt have the budget to maintain servers what would make s experiance a lot of lag and disconnects.
    Also they would have to shorten the budget of troubleshooting, meaning the game would be verry buggy. E.g. skills not working propperly, quests can't be finished, player char stuck in the middle of no where and many others.

    So you see, the key to a lag and bug free game is a good running crownstore with a wide range of offers.
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