Can someone be born a vampire or half-vampire?

Akihiro · July 2019

Hi guys. I was discussing this with my guild a little while ago and I thought it was a fascinating subject.

Do you think it's possible for someone to be born a vampire or half-vampire?

1) Let's say there was a pregnant woman who got bit and turned into a vampire... would the child also be infected?

or

2) Can a male vampire impregnate a female human?

or

3) Can two vampires have a child vampire together?

and if it's possible for people to be born as vampires, what would the implications of this be? How would they be treated? Would they be hunted down just the same? Would normal cures work on someone who was born a vampire? I would assume if a young child was a vampire, a cure might cause more harm to their bodies than good, right?

Have there been any cases in the lore where someone was born a vampire or half-vampire?

Jakhajay · July 2019

They sure can:

This guy is the result of a male human vampire impregnating a female orc. While not a full vampire, he has heightened abilities compared to normal mortals

Akihiro · July 2019

Jakhajay wrote: »

They sure can:

This guy is the result of a male human vampire impregnating a female orc. While not a full vampire, he has heightened abilities compared to normal mortals

Very interesting. So would this character be considered a half vampire then? It does seem like he's much stronger than usual because he is part vampire. I wonder if he would also need to consume blood?

I'm very curious to know if half vampires in general still need to consume blood to sustain themselves.

Hippie4927 · July 2019

Akihiro wrote: »

Jakhajay wrote: »

They sure can:

This guy is the result of a male human vampire impregnating a female orc. While not a full vampire, he has heightened abilities compared to normal mortals

Very interesting. So would this character be considered a half vampire then? It does seem like he's much stronger than usual because he is part vampire. I wonder if he would also need to consume blood?

I'm very curious to know if half vampires in general still need to consume blood to sustain themselves.

My guess is, no, they don't consume blood because the half vampire in the above link was very surprised to find out that his father was a "blood-sucking monster".

Akihiro · July 2019

Hippie4927 wrote: »

Akihiro wrote: »

Jakhajay wrote: »

They sure can:

This guy is the result of a male human vampire impregnating a female orc. While not a full vampire, he has heightened abilities compared to normal mortals

Very interesting. So would this character be considered a half vampire then? It does seem like he's much stronger than usual because he is part vampire. I wonder if he would also need to consume blood?

I'm very curious to know if half vampires in general still need to consume blood to sustain themselves.

My guess is, no, they don't consume blood because the half vampire in the above link was very surprised to find out that his father was a "blood-sucking monster".

Oh, I see. Then that would make sense for half vampires.
Now, if someone is more than half vampire, perhaps 2/3 vampire, then would they still need to consume blood? I would guess the more vampire blood you have in you, the more vampire-like you would be.

It's interesting to know that vampirism can be hereditary.

worrallj · July 2019

If a woman is bitten by a vampire while pregnant, her unborn son can become half vampire. Known as "day walkers," these half immortals are immune to many of vampires traditional weaknesses such as sunlight, but unlike full vampires they do age like humans only slower. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blade_(comics)

Akihiro · July 2019

worrallj wrote: »

If a woman is bitten by a vampire while pregnant, her unborn son can become half vampire. Known as "day walkers," these half immortals are immune to many of vampires traditional weaknesses such as sunlight, but unlike full vampires they do age like humans only slower. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blade_(comics)

Ahh interesting, although I wonder if this is also true for elder scrolls lore as well?

We have been talking about half-vampires, but I am curious about a relationship between two full fledged vampires. Strictly by elder scrolls lore, I'm interested to know... would two vampires be able to have a biologically vampiric baby?

I have heard that because vampires are undead, they are unable to have children. It makes sense for there to be half vampire babies, but what about a full vampire baby?

HappyLittleTree · July 2019

The gray Prince in Oblivion is a hgalf vampire.

His mother got pregnant by an imperial who was a vampire when he conceived his child.

https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Agronak_gro-Malog

so it is backed up by lore so to say.

Akihiro · July 2019

HappyLittleTree wrote: »

The gray Prince in Oblivion is a hgalf vampire.

His mother got pregnant by an imperial who was a vampire when he conceived his child.

https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Agronak_gro-Malog

so it is backed up by lore so to say.

Looks like it is confirmed that half-vampires do exist, but are there any cases where a vampiric baby is born from two vampire parents? Meaning the baby is not half vampire, but a full fledged vampire.

Llidoryc · July 2019

depends on the type of vampire. Cyrodiilic vampires can have half vampire offspring (as proven in Oblivion). here is a book that discusses the varieties of vampires in tamriel en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Immortal_Blood
something to remember is that vampires are the brainchild of molag bal. so the rules surrounding vampires are whatever he decides they are.

Akihiro · July 2019

Llidoryc wrote: »

depends on the type of vampire. Cyrodiilic vampires can have half vampire offspring (as proven in Oblivion). here is a book that discusses the varieties of vampires in tamriel en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Immortal_Blood
something to remember is that vampires are the brainchild of molag bal. so the rules surrounding vampires are whatever he decides they are.

Very interesting information on vampire lore. Thanks for sharing!
Do you know if there is anything on whether or not two vampires can have full fledged vampiric offsprings? I've been searching around but I can't seem to find anything confirming or denying it.

Bruccius · July 2019

Well, it kind of depends. Been a while since I played Dawnguard but Serana is a Daughter of Coldharbour, and both her mother and father are Vampire Lords. I can't recall if she was born a vampire or turned into one, though.

Akihiro · July 2019

Bruccius wrote: »

Well, it kind of depends. Been a while since I played Dawnguard but Serana is a Daughter of Coldharbour, and both her mother and father are Vampire Lords. I can't recall if she was born a vampire or turned into one, though.

I have heard Serana was turned into a vampire. I'm not sure, though.

Llidoryc · July 2019

Akihiro wrote: »

I have heard Serana was turned into a vampire. I'm not sure, though.

Yeah, she says that there was a ritual, that she would rather not discuss, that was extremely uncomfortable for her. It's implied that she was *** by Molag Bal.

Llidoryc · July 2019

Akihiro wrote: »

Very interesting information on vampire lore. Thanks for sharing!
Do you know if there is anything on whether or not two vampires can have full fledged vampiric offsprings? I've been searching around but I can't seem to find anything confirming or denying it.

unclear. i vaguely remember something from Morrowind regarding that vampires cannot have living offspring, as they are dead, but i cant remember

Akihiro · July 2019

Bruccius wrote: »

unclear. i vaguely remember something from Morrowind regarding that vampires cannot have living offspring, as they are dead, but i cant remember

Strange, because it has been confirmed that half-vampires can be born.

Hippie4927 · July 2019

Akihiro wrote: »

Bruccius wrote: »

unclear. i vaguely remember something from Morrowind regarding that vampires cannot have living offspring, as they are dead, but i cant remember

Strange, because it has been confirmed that half-vampires can be born.

It is true that half vamps can be born but I think the female has to be the human in the pairing. I don't think a female vampire can be impregnated by a human male. Also, in reading TES lore, I can't find a single instance of two vamps having a vamp child. It seems that the undead cannot reproduce.

Llidoryc · July 2019

There have been so many rewrites and lore changes from title to title. If I find anything I'll post sources

Akihiro · July 2019

Hippie4927 wrote: »

It is true that half vamps can be born but I think the female has to be the human in the pairing. I don't think a female vampire can be impregnated by a human male. Also, in reading TES lore, I can't find a single instance of two vamps having a vamp child. It seems that the undead cannot reproduce.

Ooh I see, thank you for your insight. However, isn't it possible for a vampiric woman to give birth in this scenario: There's a human woman who's husband is a vampire. She becomes pregnant. Afterwards, he turns her into a vampire during her pregnancy. Would this be possible?

Llidoryc wrote: »

There have been so many rewrites and lore changes from title to title. If I find anything I'll post sources

Thank you! I appreciate you taking the time to look.

Reistr_the_Unbroken · July 2019

Not sure if it’s true or not but while doing an essay on vampires I read on Wikipedia about different types of vampires that the wild vampires of Skyrim could reproduce (I’m assuming the female has to be mortal and the make a vampire like many movies interpretations) however the exception is vampire lords, whom I’d assume are either infertile/sterile as vampires- or as their blood is extremely close to the source (aka Molag)- and “potent” I think Harkon said- I’d doubt a developing baby would actually survive before being born, so it makes me think only the “feral/wild” vampires can make hybrids.

Not entirely sure but just my 2 cents thrown in, and if I can find the page I’ll link it here.

Edit: found it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vampire_traits_in_folklore_and_fiction

Akihiro · July 2019

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

Not sure if it’s true or not but while doing an essay on vampires I read on Wikipedia about different types of vampires that the wild vampires of Skyrim could reproduce (I’m assuming the female has to be mortal and the make a vampire like many movies interpretations) however the exception is vampire lords, whom I’d assume are either infertile/sterile as vampires- or as their blood is extremely close to the source (aka Molag)- and “potent” I think Harkon said- I’d doubt a developing baby would actually survive before being born, so it makes me think only the “feral/wild” vampires can make hybrids.

Not entirely sure but just my 2 cents thrown in, and if I can find the page I’ll link it here.

Edit: found it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vampire_traits_in_folklore_and_fiction

Thank you for the great chart! According to this source, it does say vampires in elder scrolls are indeed fertile! However, there was a "?" next to vampire lords. This was not confirmation, but it also did not deny anything.

Do you have a source or a screenshot/video for Harkon's quote? I am very interested in looking into that as well.

Reistr_the_Unbroken · July 2019

Akihiro wrote: »

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

Not sure if it’s true or not but while doing an essay on vampires I read on Wikipedia about different types of vampires that the wild vampires of Skyrim could reproduce (I’m assuming the female has to be mortal and the make a vampire like many movies interpretations) however the exception is vampire lords, whom I’d assume are either infertile/sterile as vampires- or as their blood is extremely close to the source (aka Molag)- and “potent” I think Harkon said- I’d doubt a developing baby would actually survive before being born, so it makes me think only the “feral/wild” vampires can make hybrids.

Not entirely sure but just my 2 cents thrown in, and if I can find the page I’ll link it here.

Edit: found it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vampire_traits_in_folklore_and_fiction

Thank you for the great chart! According to this source, it does say vampires in elder scrolls are indeed fertile! However, there was a "?" next to vampire lords. This was not confirmation, but it also did not deny anything.

Do you have a source or a screenshot/video for Harkon's quote? I am very interested in looking into that as well.

Found the quote:
The second and third of the original three choices offer additional insight into Harkon's background and the power he has granted you:
What happened? How did I get here?
"My blood is potent. At first, the body is overwhelmed by it. After my bite, you collapsed and fell into a slumber. Now your flesh has acclimated to the new blood that courses through your veins. I assure you, no harm was done. In truth, your strength surprises me. Not all mortals can withstand my embrace."

Akihiro · July 2019

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

Found the quote:
The second and third of the original three choices offer additional insight into Harkon's background and the power he has granted you:
What happened? How did I get here?
"My blood is potent. At first, the body is overwhelmed by it. After my bite, you collapsed and fell into a slumber. Now your flesh has acclimated to the new blood that courses through your veins. I assure you, no harm was done. In truth, your strength surprises me. Not all mortals can withstand my embrace."

I see, thank you for finding this quote! I misunderstood you initially. From your post, I thought you said Harkon mentioned something about childbirth, but he only mentioned that his blood was potent.

I do wonder though... In the case of a vampire lord and human, it's not confirmed or denied if the baby would survive. Maybe it is unlikely... but it's not impossible, is it? Perhaps under rare circumstances?

In the case of a vampire lord with another vampire having a child, maybe this is more plausible? For example, while Harkon's potent blood may be harmful to humans (or to the living in general), I don't suppose it's harmful to another vampire?

Biting someone to turn them into a vampire, and creating a vampire via childbirth seems like it would work in different ways, no?

cynicalbutterfly · July 2019

Since vampirism is more like a disease I'd say that it's possible for two vampires to have a child. What that child would look like or the potential powers it might have... we won't know till the lore books give us some information.

Akihiro · July 2019

cynicalbutterfly wrote: »

Since vampirism is more like a disease I'd say that it's possible for two vampires to have a child. What that child would look like or the potential powers it might have... we won't know till the lore books give us some information.

Ooh lore books. How often do new lore books come out?

LennoxPoodle · July 2019

Akihiro wrote: »

cynicalbutterfly wrote: »

Since vampirism is more like a disease I'd say that it's possible for two vampires to have a child. What that child would look like or the potential powers it might have... we won't know till the lore books give us some information.

Ooh lore books. How often do new lore books come out?

With every new game/DLC. You just find them ingame, they are not talking about any sources published outside the games, besides the (three?) novels.

Akihiro · July 2019

LennoxPoodle wrote: »

With every new game/DLC. You just find them ingame, they are not talking about any sources published outside the games, besides the (three?) novels.

Ooh I see.