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Replace Ravagers with what?
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I'm taking suggestions on what damage set to pair with Impreg on my 5m/2h PvP stamplar. Seeing as Ravagers will be trash, I'll need something to replace it.
“There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.”
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✭✭✭✭✭Try a generic dmg set like hundings.
Because 600 (+38%) wpn dmg from 1 set was balanced.PS4 EU DC
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✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Try a generic dmg set like hundings.
Because 600 (+38%) wpn dmg from 1 set was balanced.
It only had like 75% uptime in combat ;-)
I could easily switch to Hundings or Spriggans. Is one clearly better?Edited by MurderMostFoul on July 7, 2019 10:19PM“There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.”0 -
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I suppose it'll somewhat depend on your target, and what ultimates you're using. Assuming no other major changes happen between now and the patch going live (which may be very much the wrong assumption to make), I guess Hunding's will synergize better with Corrosive Armor or the 2h Ultimate, since your attacks will all ignore resists while those are active - with fairly substantial durations at that.MurderMostFoul wrote: »I could easily switch to Hundings or Spriggans. Is one clearly better?0 -
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I suppose it'll somewhat depend on your target, and what ultimates you're using. Assuming no other major changes happen between now and the patch going live (which may be very much the wrong assumption to make), I guess Hunding's will synergize better with Corrosive Armor or the 2h Ultimate, since your attacks will all ignore resists while those are active - with fairly substantial durations at that.MurderMostFoul wrote: »I could easily switch to Hundings or Spriggans. Is one clearly better?
This is for my stamplar. I'll prob still rock DB.“There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.”0 -
NuarBlack✭✭✭✭Go archer and still proc it effectively if the wording holds for any attempt to reduce armor and not just melee then the physical snipe morph will proc it.0
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✭✭✭✭✭Try to pair ravager with Night Mother's Gaze. Since You are getting 1 stack of ravager every time You apply armor reduction debuff on enemy NMG will proc ravager every 1 second since it refreshes major fracture every second Your dmg crits and every time it refreshes it applies armor reduction debuff which means 1 stack of ravager. It'll proc ravager all the time and it'll take like 4-5 seconds to get 4 stacks and after that You'll have those 4 stacks for the next 10 seconds which basically gives You around 70% uptime on max amout of ravager stacks in combat which is actually better then currently on live server version of ravager and it gives You more control over the proc. NMG is also pretty good set for stamplar in general. As for crit resists You can increase Your defense from loosing Impregnable just by changing jewelery traits to protective which now gets buffed because of bleed changes. Or You can just replace ravager with new 7th legion since it'll just requite to use restoring focus once every 10 seconds to keep 100% uptime.Edited by Juhasow on July 8, 2019 4:13PM2 -
BlackMadara✭✭✭✭@Juhasow New ravager can only proc once a second. You would need to crit once a second with NMG, and it would still take 4 seconds to get to the full buff. That isn't inherently bad, but not as effective as you explained.0
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✭✭✭✭✭BlackMadara wrote: »@Juhasow New ravager can only proc once a second. You would need to crit once a second with NMG, and it would still take 4 seconds to get to the full buff. That isn't inherently bad, but not as effective as you explained.
Ah sorry missed that one about 1 sec cooldown on stack since there was lot to cover in new patch notes
Well 70% uptime then. Still effective. Edited by Juhasow on July 8, 2019 4:07PM0 -
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✭✭MurderMostFoul wrote: »I'm taking suggestions on what damage set to pair with Impreg on my 5m/2h PvP stamplar. Seeing as Ravagers will be trash, I'll need something to replace it.
I'd use Seventh Legion. Spriggan will provide more dmg and stam, but much less defense since 7th will also buff your heals and give 350 health recovery.
Briarheart will be getting a lot more use next patch as well, and stamplar can proc it very easily with jabs.
I'm changing my main back to stam next patch. I intend to go with Spriggan/Seventh, or Spriggan/Briarheart."I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
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coj901✭✭✭I am concerned for my stamper. Right now I'm using bone pirate and ravager. I wish they would have just made ravaged a medium set0
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dominguero96✭✭✭Mate I would be mad also but I recently changed my ravager for spriggans combined with bone pirate. I liked cuz it was more consistent but had a bit less damage. With the future patch, I'll be better.0 -
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✭MurderMostFoul wrote: »I'm taking suggestions on what damage set to pair with Impreg on my 5m/2h PvP stamplar. Seeing as Ravagers will be trash, I'll need something to replace it.
I'd use Seventh Legion. Spriggan will provide more dmg and stam, but much less defense since 7th will also buff your heals and give 350 health recovery.
Briarheart will be getting a lot more use next patch as well, and stamplar can proc it very easily with jabs.
I'm changing my main back to stam next patch. I intend to go with Spriggan/Seventh, or Spriggan/Briarheart.
new 7th is nice, but u'll only ever get 350wd instead of 500. but yes, it's a good replacement for Ravager still. And as stamDK, my Fragmented Shield which triggers Major Mending and Minor Brutality, now will also proc 7th' wd and health recovery!
Honestly though, again, as a stamDK, and I'm spamming Nox breath, stacking new Ravager would be nice and would proc Seething Fury at the same time. I might try that.
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Lokey0024✭✭✭✭✭MurderMostFoul wrote: »I'm taking suggestions on what damage set to pair with Impreg on my 5m/2h PvP stamplar. Seeing as Ravagers will be trash, I'll need something to replace it.
I'd use Seventh Legion. Spriggan will provide more dmg and stam, but much less defense since 7th will also buff your heals and give 350 health recovery.
Briarheart will be getting a lot more use next patch as well, and stamplar can proc it very easily with jabs.
I'm changing my main back to stam next patch. I intend to go with Spriggan/Seventh, or Spriggan/Briarheart.
new 7th is nice, but u'll only ever get 350wd instead of 500. but yes, it's a good replacement for Ravager still. And as stamDK, my Fragmented Shield which triggers Major Mending and Minor Brutality, now will also proc 7th' wd and health recovery!
Honestly though, again, as a stamDK, and I'm spamming Nox breath, stacking new Ravager would be nice and would proc Seething Fury at the same time. I might try that.
Think you mean Volitile Armor0 -
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✭MurderMostFoul wrote: »I'm taking suggestions on what damage set to pair with Impreg on my 5m/2h PvP stamplar. Seeing as Ravagers will be trash, I'll need something to replace it.
I'd use Seventh Legion. Spriggan will provide more dmg and stam, but much less defense since 7th will also buff your heals and give 350 health recovery.
Briarheart will be getting a lot more use next patch as well, and stamplar can proc it very easily with jabs.
I'm changing my main back to stam next patch. I intend to go with Spriggan/Seventh, or Spriggan/Briarheart.
new 7th is nice, but u'll only ever get 350wd instead of 500. but yes, it's a good replacement for Ravager still. And as stamDK, my Fragmented Shield which triggers Major Mending and Minor Brutality, now will also proc 7th' wd and health recovery!
Honestly though, again, as a stamDK, and I'm spamming Nox breath, stacking new Ravager would be nice and would proc Seething Fury at the same time. I might try that.
Think you mean Volitile Armor
sorry yes, i mixed up. my bad.
but still. pretty good i think.August Palatine Davadin Bloodstrake - Nord Dragon Knight - PC NA - Gray Host
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✭MurderMostFoul wrote: »I'm taking suggestions on what damage set to pair with Impreg on my 5m/2h PvP stamplar. Seeing as Ravagers will be trash, I'll need something to replace it.
I'd use Seventh Legion. Spriggan will provide more dmg and stam, but much less defense since 7th will also buff your heals and give 350 health recovery.
Briarheart will be getting a lot more use next patch as well, and stamplar can proc it very easily with jabs.
I'm changing my main back to stam next patch. I intend to go with Spriggan/Seventh, or Spriggan/Briarheart.
new 7th is nice, but u'll only ever get 350wd instead of 500. but yes, it's a good replacement for Ravager still. And as stamDK, my Fragmented Shield which triggers Major Mending and Minor Brutality, now will also proc 7th' wd and health recovery!
Honestly though, again, as a stamDK, and I'm spamming Nox breath, stacking new Ravager would be nice and would proc Seething Fury at the same time. I might try that.
Think you mean Volitile Armor
sorry yes, i mixed up. my bad.
but still. pretty good i think.
Not really.. you cannot afford casting that armor buff to much. You are already limited in magicka as a stam dk. Your major mending is so expensive and so important. Fossilized also just got very expensive that will now be a no go for 90% of stam dks.. The old seventh is much better for a stam dk. However this will also be very good just have to build for it.PVP DEADWAIT
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✭I think I'm going to try 7th Legion to start. We'll see how it goes.“There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.”0 -
e-rwan✭✭deadly strike is pretty good on stamplar.
now you could still try something with ravager by casting potl every 5s2 -
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✭I am concerned for my stamper. Right now I'm using bone pirate and ravager. I wish they would have just made ravaged a medium set
yeah making ravager medium would make the most sense. I mean that's basically how i use it now since Jewelry crafting, Ravager Jewelry + weapons and medium set. they should have def made Ravager a medium DPS set, disappointing.Edited by Lucky28 on July 10, 2019 4:37AMInvictus0 -
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✭MurderMostFoul wrote: »I'm taking suggestions on what damage set to pair with Impreg on my 5m/2h PvP stamplar. Seeing as Ravagers will be trash, I'll need something to replace it.
I'd use Seventh Legion. Spriggan will provide more dmg and stam, but much less defense since 7th will also buff your heals and give 350 health recovery.
Briarheart will be getting a lot more use next patch as well, and stamplar can proc it very easily with jabs.
I'm changing my main back to stam next patch. I intend to go with Spriggan/Seventh, or Spriggan/Briarheart.
new 7th is nice, but u'll only ever get 350wd instead of 500. but yes, it's a good replacement for Ravager still. And as stamDK, my Fragmented Shield which triggers Major Mending and Minor Brutality, now will also proc 7th' wd and health recovery!
Honestly though, again, as a stamDK, and I'm spamming Nox breath, stacking new Ravager would be nice and would proc Seething Fury at the same time. I might try that.
Think you mean Volitile Armor
sorry yes, i mixed up. my bad.
but still. pretty good i think.
Not really.. you cannot afford casting that armor buff to much. You are already limited in magicka as a stam dk. Your major mending is so expensive and so important. Fossilized also just got very expensive that will now be a no go for 90% of stam dks.. The old seventh is much better for a stam dk. However this will also be very good just have to build for it.
I tried PTS last night.
Volatile does proc 7th very nicely, and honestly, I don't engage a fight unless I have Volatile Armor. Otherwise it's suicide for my medium build DK in CP PvP.
I like the new 7th, even if i don't get with as much Wep Dmg.
Now I wanna try Ravager... if I'm building Seethin Fury with Nox breath, I might as well build up Ravager. I'll only be missing the health regen.August Palatine Davadin Bloodstrake - Nord Dragon Knight - PC NA - Gray Host
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✭I am concerned for my stamper. Right now I'm using bone pirate and ravager. I wish they would have just made ravaged a medium set
yeah making ravager medium would make the most sense. I mean that's basically how i use it now since Jewelry crafting, Ravager Jewelry + weapons and medium set. they should have def made Ravager a medium DPS set, disappointing.
if Ravager is a medium I'll be 100% sure running Ravager + 7th medium build lol... who cares about DoT or penetration if u can pass 6k damage and leap at 30k?
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Nevasca✭✭✭✭✭Clever Alchemist is decent if you can time your burst well. Of course it will never have the same uptime as old Ravager, especially for Stamplar, but it is still a good alternative. The new 7h is also decent since you can proc it with a dirty cheap ability.0 -
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✭✭✭New Razor Catrops will proc Ravager. An Infused Crusher enchant would proc it. NMG obviously. Seventh Legion can be back-barred, opening up a weapon set front bar or simply another +129 weapon damage piece. Honestly, what has happened is that all of these sets have moved from random procs to something more controllable which is IMO hugely better. Even Fury should proc more consistently, although it won't maintain it's stack. When you look at the proc conditions, I think we will see much better uptimes overall. Despite slight nerfs to the damage values, I am concerned that the heavy armor PvP meta will be as strong as ever.PC EU: Magblade (PvP main), DK (PvE Tank), Sorc (PvP and PvE), Magden (PvE Healer), Magplar (PvP and PvE DD), Arcanist (PvE DD)
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Ophelan✭✭New Razor Catrops will proc Ravager. An Infused Crusher enchant would proc it. NMG obviously. Seventh Legion can be back-barred, opening up a weapon set front bar or simply another +129 weapon damage piece. Honestly, what has happened is that all of these sets have moved from random procs to something more controllable which is IMO hugely better. Even Fury should proc more consistently, although it won't maintain it's stack. When you look at the proc conditions, I think we will see much better uptimes overall. Despite slight nerfs to the damage values, I am concerned that the heavy armor PvP meta will be as strong as ever.
Sure you can backbar seventh legion with ravager... in CP PvP, but for no-CP, you need a sustain set.
If there were no ICD, new ravager would be a crazy good option for wardens or necros. I don't see it working with the ICD in place, it would get outperformed even by hundings.@Ophelan - Roll Initiative Guild Leader
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