They selling skill lines anyway so why not ?
Its the same " pay for convinience" because MA weapon will not make your a "winner" on its own.

Vajrak wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Look at any dps high dps parse atm

They only run vMA bow - that's getting nerfed

Atm magicka is nowhere near Stam dps - so vMA staff - meh especially with new sets

We will have to see about vMA 2h and vMA DW - but on live not used

So I bet because of entropy and or soul trap the DW won't stay as is

Meaning the only really impactful dps vMA weapon (bow) is getting nerfed.

So like what's the point in vMA? The staff?

Wait to see till end of PTS cycle, but doing vMA seems rather silly

True to several points: Endless Hail is being nerfed, thus vMA bow is getting nerfed also. vMA staff has always been up for debate, it depends on how close to perfect your weaving is.

It's a bit of a catch here --- the people who want vMA weapons to have an alternative method are the ones who lack the skill or capability of using them.

The point of vMA is that the weapons are a nice bonus for completing it, but not absolutely necessary to have unless you are in the top of the raid community...and if you are in the top of the raid community, then vMA is a cakewalk already, because you are used to the target prioritization and refreshing mechanics before running content, and managing your resources in different situations.

Finishing vMA can be likened to finishing a Master's Degree --- it's a good way to show you can learn and adapt, now get ready for the real world (Trials).

VMA bow is getting a buff to make it on par with live (currently bugged due to fewer damage ticks than intended). Staff will take a hit because it requires running Wall of Elements which is getting a hard nerf. Sadly bow will become more important for stam DPS. But that doesn’t necessitate their being sold.

Nononnnnooooo! DO content if you want stuff. Don't make threads like this. You'll end up making the impression there's a demand.

I'm casual. I don't wanna buy stuff I need.

SoLooney wrote: »

Lmaooooo

If you cant complete vma in 2019, you dont deserve the weapons

Also news flash, if you're hitting 20k on the dummy, you're gonna like 2k higher lol

Agree here. CP makes it super easy. And with FG gear can use max stat food. FG + Mother sorrow + slimecraw + double bloody mara. VMA super easy. I basically spammed swallow soul for the entire thing. Literally didn't do anything else. I slotted a bunch of mage guild abilities to further buff up my damage. I swapped slimecraw for chudhan for round 7 and 9. Also for adds, make sure screen is fully zoomed out so you can see all the adds. Don't even need to bar swap.

i cant beat the first stage of vma and i am comfortable never getting the gear without completing the content.

BUT....
idgaf what anyone says about vma weapons in the crown store or whatnot but we all know everyone will be swiping their card on crowns to buy what they want and still sleeping so good at night (myself included).

money talks.
period.
end of discussion.

RogueShark wrote: »

I know some people have run vMA over 70 times just wanting an inferno and never seeing it. It just plain sucks. At that point it's not skill anymore, but how much free time you have to grind that rng.

A token system would go a VERY long way for the truly unlucky ones out there.

I don't even want the vMA Inferno, and just got it from Leaderboard luck drop.

If you have time to run a few dungeons, you have time to do a vMA run. If you aren't worried about going for score, you can knock it out fast.

A token system wouldn't be too terrible, as long as you can't buy the tokens with cash, but rather have to decon the reward you get at completion for the tokens, and have some costumes or mounts you unlock with the token also, for those who already have the weapon(s) they want. Say 24 Tokens for a White Weapon, no trait, and each decon/trade in awards one token, but can only trade in 1/day.

That way, 10 completes = can get the weapon, just have to upgrade/transmute it yourself.

I've never been against the idea of a token from the content that allows you to reduce the rng grind a little.

The OP though wants to grind Undaunted keys to trade out for vMA weapons, and that just doesn't make sense from a lot of angles other than pure laziness.

For the ones who have completed it 50, 70, 100 times, etc. , yeah, give 'em a break, let 'em decon the drop or trade it in to the mentor npc for a token.

@Vajax

Preaching to the choir.
I've done vMA around 6 times. Infused bow. Powered resto. Inferno. 2-3 dual wield.
I don't need anything else from there. But I also realize how STUPID lucky I've been with rng, and seen some horrible luck for friends. If they did a token system, yes it should be based on vMA clears, maybe using your weapon drops for trade-in.

They're making the other obnoxious rng grind (undaunted shoulders) more bearable. Maybe vMA weapons will be next.

Waffennacht wrote: »

Look at any dps high dps parse atm

They only run vMA bow - that's getting nerfed

Atm magicka is nowhere near Stam dps - so vMA staff - meh especially with new sets

We will have to see about vMA 2h and vMA DW - but on live not used

So I bet because of entropy and or soul trap the DW won't stay as is

Meaning the only really impactful dps vMA weapon (bow) is getting nerfed.

So like what's the point in vMA? The staff?

Wait to see till end of PTS cycle, but doing vMA seems rather silly

mostly true with a few exceptions

Bow getting nerfed -> yet still BiS for trash and multi Target Bossfights linke vHoF 2nd Boss or vCR Hms etc.

Staff will most likely remain BiS for any Magicka Build, because there's no good substitution for it. (ofc with ultra bad weaving you wont get a benefit)

vMA DW is BiS for all Rapidstrikes builds on Live (stamsorc comes to mind)

vMA 2h...useless now, but with the changes to stampede it may become usefull for DW / 2H Builds....but this rremains to be seen

Ecstatica wrote: »

No way, I beat VMA after a 6 month rage quit, tantrums, tears and literally punching myself in the head! Get in there and earn it, it's not THAT difficult!

You had a 6 month rage quit, tantrums, tears and physically assaulted yourself due to vMA... but its "not that difficult"???

Contradictory statements.

If you can’t beat vMA, you don’t deserve vMA weapons.

If you can’t beat vMA, you don’t need vMA weapons.

It would be pretty unfair and it would be pointless to run vMA if the weaps were available for undaunted keys. Also, while vMA weapons are really good gear, you won’t make much use of them if you’re at a stage where you can’t beat it.

It took me like millions of tries and tears to beat the vma for the first time, a week later I got the flawless conqueror. I think with patience and effort everyone can beat it BUT if skill lines and monster helmets are being sold.. Then seriously I don't see why vma weapons shouldn't be sold..

madarame_77 wrote: »

Not buyable from the crown store, of course! But they could be sold for undaunted keys. In the new patch they are going to introduce chests with gear from specific dungeons for increased number of keys. I propose they do the same for vma weapons. For example, 20 keys for 1 chest with random vMA weapon (could be 50, doesn't matter). Or they could also sell bundles with random vMA weapons for 1mil alliance points.

The thing is that only tiny percentage of players are able to complete vMA and with the upcoming aoe nerfs this number will be even less! The absense of vMA weapons creates a huge divide between the top 0.1 of players who pull 60k dps and the average player base. I know many people spent days and weeks and months to get these weapons and I respect that. I don't ask it for free. I just want some alternative way to get it for those like me who can't beat it for some reason.

Do this and
-Then the content itself "Maelstrom Arena" becomes an obsolete forgotten part of the game.
- Why do any content when u can buy the gear in it? If people can just buy the better gear from
more difficult content why would they even want to try to get better or do the content? What satisfaction would those
who like to feel a sense of accomplishment and achievement get if i could go buy gear from a difficult trial and they
had to learn how to complete it?
- For those that say the golden vendor sells monster helms, Yes they do, however if u look at the helms they sell, they are
not the most difficult ones to get in game. It does however save someone from having to run it a multitude of times if
they are having difficulty getting the weight they want in a useful trait.

There are many youtubes on one bar builds that show how to complete vMA with a one bar set up. Will you die? yes u will. Probably a lot. You may go through quite a lot of repair bills and frustration depending on your learning curve, reflexes etc while you figure it out. but it is do-able with one bar, overland gear..IF someone is not adverse to taking some hits, getting frustrated a lot in order to learn the mechanics and what to do when.

On a side note, I would however like to see some way to fix the terrible RNG the system has. For someone to run the arena 40 times (I've heard stories of over 40 runs to get a weapon they could use) while someone else gets in in 1-3 drops....
It would be nice to see a token system where you could trade x tokens for a chance at 2H weapons to cut the chance of daggers, shields axes etc out....

no, terrible idea selling vma weapons!!

i also hate the idea of selling vma style pages.

Want a vma weapon or a vma looking weapon? Go complete vma!!!!!

If you can beat vMA, you don't need vMA weapons.
If you can't survive vMA, you will not be able to survive the places where you would need vMA weapons.
I would rather have someone in my group who can beat vMA but couldn't get the weapon he/she needed from vMA than someone who got the weapon without the weapon.