I tried to like it, I tried to get better

Neoealth · July 2019

But I just hate heists and sacraments in this game. The sacraments are marginally less annoying than the heists, but not by much. I normally love the thieves guild and dark brother hood content in TES games, but in ESO the missions are in intolerable. As someone else who made an complaint post about them recently, they used the word "lousy" and I agree wholeheartedly.

Where do I start. Lets start with sacraments. The blade of woe is really clunky, you can sneak up behind a potential victim, and the blade of woe will take forever to engage, making that stupid noise it makes and by the time it finally is ready to use, the npc will either spin 180 on their heels and spot you or those f-ing annoying lantern patrols will show up. It makes it all the more worse if you are a vampire, you can end up biting the victim instead of killing with the blade of woe. The engine of this game does not seem to be able to support this style of game play.

Those lantern patrols....there are way too many of them. And why do they still alert if you sneak behind them? Do they have eyes in the back on their head? Not only that, but their radius is huge and the cave path ways they patrol are often so narrow which means they take all the space, no room to sneak past, you have to wait while they loiter and scratch their butts. On sacraments annoying when you only have a short while to get out before the overseer arrives, and just flat out game killing for heists where every second counts.

The heists are by far the most annoying, rage inducing and non fun elements of this game. The npcs are everywhere, they all blend into the back ground colours, i'm often bumping into them without even noticing them. The traps are very much the same. The time limit is far to restrictive for the amount of patrols and traps. The penalty for being seen it way too harsh. I just hate everything about it.

I am big enough to admit that I might just not be very good at it, but the content is so frustrating, so annoying, so not fun that trying to get better at them just feels like pulling out my teeth and pouring salt into my eye balls might be a more enjoyable past time.

I'm only doing them for the event tickets, after that I'm done. I just sprint through the heists now, killing them all, every time i melt one of those patrols with my spells, i give a little manic grin. I HATE THEM *anakin skywalker moment*

Sorry for the rant, this is clearly a venting post.

pdblake · July 2019

I've never got that far with thieves guild tbh and have not tried DB. I just don't seem to be able to get the hang of stealth in ESO, not like in the other TES games anyway.

redlink1979 · July 2019

What annoys me about sacraments is how random you get the targets:
In my case, I'm missing only two targets from the list and yet the game keeps giving me targets I've already killed more than once.....
I might take 2 days or I can take years to complete the list.........

Can this get fixed so targets a player killed don't continue to show up on the sacrament's "available" list?

cyberjanet · July 2019

I didn't bother. No event tickets for me. Not last time they had it (as part of the 5 week 5 year celebrations), and not now.

Idinuse · July 2019

Don’t worry about it. Unless you are a NB and have Cloak, this content is NOT for you. It’s the NB fetish they’ve had ever since IC DLC it’s for (Cloak AND speed). And if they think invis pots with their measly duration and lol cool down or sneak sets (sneak speed, detect range etc), even with Vampire stealth speed + Rapids, do any difference, they’re not.

It’s the worst single class biased content in the game.

And if you’re not a NB and clear all of this naked in 10 seconds, good for you, you can’t clear my content for me so irrelevant really.

daemonios · July 2019

Neoealth wrote: »

But I just hate heists and sacraments in this game. The sacraments are marginally less annoying than the heists, but not by much. I normally love the thieves guild and dark brother hood content in TES games, but in ESO the missions are in intolerable. As someone else who made an complaint post about them recently, they used the word "lousy" and I agree wholeheartedly.

Where do I start. Lets start with sacraments. The blade of woe is really clunky, you can sneak up behind a potential victim, and the blade of woe will take forever to engage, making that stupid noise it makes and by the time it finally is ready to use, the npc will either spin 180 on their heels and spot you or those f-ing annoying lantern patrols will show up. It makes it all the more worse if you are a vampire, you can end up biting the victim instead of killing with the blade of woe. The engine of this game does not seem to be able to support this style of game play.

Yes, the blade of woe is clunky. But you can make it work a little better if you follow a few rules. First, only use it when you're basically breathing down your mark's neck to avoid using the vampire feed. Second, don't try to use the blade of woe on uneven surfaces, such as ramps, or from a different height than your victim, or from behind an obstacle. It tends to fail more in these circumstances. Third, take it easy and study your mark's routes and other nearby NPCs. You only get a timer in sacraments AFTER you kill your main target, so start with your secondary and do it nice and slowly. Try to take out NPCs who might spot you, so you have an easier access to the actual target.

Neoealth wrote: »

Those lantern patrols....there are way too many of them. And why do they still alert if you sneak behind them? Do they have eyes in the back on their head? Not only that, but their radius is huge and the cave path ways they patrol are often so narrow which means they take all the space, no room to sneak past, you have to wait while they loiter and scratch their butts. On sacraments annoying when you only have a short while to get out before the overseer arrives, and just flat out game killing for heists where every second counts.

Study the maps. You can sometimes find alternative routes, especially during sacraments, which have secret tunnels connecting different areas that bypass some of the guards. If you can't avoid a lantern guard, wait for it to come around, you always have a hiding spot where you can do this, and in some cases you can even hide behind a bookcase, crate or rock without diving for the basket. The 2 minute timer in sacraments can be a pain if your main target is far from the entrance, so make sure you have rapid maneuvers and enough stamina to speed things up a bit, or a set such as Night's Silence that negates any speed penalty while crouching, or both.

Neoealth wrote: »

The heists are by far the most annoying, rage inducing and non fun elements of this game. The npcs are everywhere, they all blend into the back ground colours, i'm often bumping into them without even noticing them. The traps are very much the same. The time limit is far to restrictive for the amount of patrols and traps. The penalty for being seen it way too harsh. I just hate everything about it.

Heists are dead, dead easy. I often finish them with 4+ minutes left on the 7 minute timer. Again, gear up with Night's Silence or a similar set so you can sprint while crouching. The NPCs are always in the same spot, following the same routes. There is no situation where you need to take one out. Simply wait for them to move away if they're blocking your path. There is one treasure that I don't think can be accessed without alerting an NPC: a chest opposite an archer NPC who never seems to turn around. But there are always more chests elsewhere. Study the maps, they are all basically circular but I find that some are easier to do in one direction than in the opposite one. Learn the NPC positions. If you find it hard to see them, maybe you need to adjust your brightness/gamma settings. You can also highlight NPCs with tab targeting so you can follow them past obstacles and check whether they're facing you or not from a safe distance.

Neoealth wrote: »

I am big enough to admit that I might just not be very good at it, but the content is so frustrating, so annoying, so not fun that trying to get better at them just feels like pulling out my teeth and pouring salt into my eye balls might be a more enjoyable past time.

I'm only doing them for the event tickets, after that I'm done. I just sprint through the heists now, killing them all, every time i melt one of those patrols with my spells, i give a little manic grin. I HATE THEM *anakin skywalker moment*

Sorry for the rant, this is clearly a venting post.

Sacraments are a pain because if you alert anyone and drop the quest, you'll retain the alert status. But heists you can practice as many times as you want simply by dropping the quest and starting again. If you pay attention and try to remember your mistakes, it's just like any other aspect in the game: practice makes perfect.

Itacira · July 2019

I play a sorcerer and it took me a long LONG while to learn to manage them (with the help of invisible potions) all the while being very frustrated at the fact these quests are so biased towards NB. I now complete all mission goals more often than not, though i still get the same problem you describe with the blade of woe not casting and the NPC turning around (URGH)

With all those difficulties taken into account, now think how much worse it's gonna be with the nerf to Rapid Maneuver. Like, WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS

Xarc · July 2019

Well, keep in mind that this is a mmo.
And I think everything is done to keep a balance between classes. Nightblades should in no way be favored by their ability to disappear easily.
- That's why lanterns are like you say.
- That's why npcs are everywhere.

I did all the content of ThieveGuilds and the DarkBrotherhood several times with a StamDK, Stamplar and StamNB.
I have to admit it was harder with my Nightblade because it tends to rely on the ability to become invisible while it works less well than using [invisibility + speed] pots +vampire passives on another class.

I personally tried to do all the heists+sacraments without killing anyone unless my targets, and in time. I'm not a super-hero, and sometimes I got myself. And I liked that it was sometimes difficult, not to do it, but to do it perfectly every time.

daemonios · July 2019

Itacira wrote: »

I play a sorcerer and it took me a long LONG while to learn to manage them (with the help of invisible potions) all the while being very frustrated at the fact these quests are so biased towards NB. I now complete all mission goals more often than not, though i still get the same problem you describe with the blade of woe not casting and the NPC turning around (URGH)

With all those difficulties taken into account, now think how much worse it's gonna be with the nerf to Rapid Maneuver. Like, WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS

I main as a Sorc and find these quests pretty easy. I never use pots, neither invisibility nor speed ones. I sometimes use rapids, but not often since they cost a whole lot of stamina. My main tool is simply 5 pieces medium Night's Silence gear. You don't need cloak, or pots, or rapids, to finish the missions.

Tel_666 · July 2019

I main as a mag sorc, can complete these without using pots, don't really enjoy all the sneaking though. The way I found was to have a separate gear setup for sneaking, the key is reduce detection area, cost of sneak and add speed and regen for when you apply rapids or walk into a trap. All medium armor with the passives helps a lot, vampire for the speed buff is another option.

Some good choices;
Darloc Brae - reduces detection area, cost of sneak and gives massive resource regeneration
Shadow Dancer - speed for mag toon, light set so needs to be jewels and staff (cheap to buy)
Night's silence - speed for stam toon
Night terror (3 pieces) - detection area and cost of sneak reduced

Grianasteri · July 2019

I would hesitantly agree... I absolutely hated thieves guild and dark brotherhood content... until I made a Nightblade.

I mean, the story and lore behind them was all fine and reasonably engaging, its the game play I take issue with...

Unless you can reliably go invisible, this content can be infuriating. If you are not a Nightblade, go buy or make a ton of invis potions and your quality of life and enjoyment of the content will rise significantly.

Once I could become invisible, running the content became far more fun and I actually started to enjoy it. For a start it didnt take an eternity to complete waiting for guards to pass and to learn their rotations etc.

Swifigames · July 2019

Though both just seemed like a grind, remember these were some of the first add-on content for the game.

The time limit really saps some of the fun out of some missions due to not having a particular area memorized enough to pace through it quickly enough for the bonus. And at the current time the rewards are not enough of a draw for me to actually want to go back in and do the things. I got what I needed out of the content and since it wasn't such an enjoyable experience for me, I just find something else to do in the game that I find more enjoyable.

In all honesty, I find questing in general a bit difficult to do and typically just find myself running through various types of content and dialog because I find the reward(s) to be a more rewarding result of my time.
I don't entirely dislike content like this or quests in general, but with so much to do and so much going on all the time in ESO, it's just difficult.
I still do quests from time to time. But I find it is much easier doing any type of quest by removing the social aspect of the game as much as I can. Like, hiding the chat log, removing the quest tracker, and often times even the attribute & skill bars for the best uninterrupted experience.

I don't even really bother with the Dark Brotherhood stuff/skill set at all really. I also rarely perform theft. It's kind of a drag that I have to sit in stealth behind an NPC for as long as it takes for the pop-up indicator to show...it just seems unrefined. Why do I have to wait so long to perform an action? I have clearly been in stealth for quite some time behind this completely unaware NPC and yet I still have to sit and wait to act

That's why I just don't mess with it much, I don't care for it. It's pain enough standing around forever waiting for Practical Treasures' Nagaddu to spawn so I repair my equipment.

Anyway, I guess what I mean is that I just do the content I enjoy the most. Get what you want or need out the content & if it's not to your tastes, move on the the next assignment, there are a ton of things to do in Tamriel.
Still, it's nice to able to have them as an option to do.

Itacira · July 2019

daemonios wrote: »

Itacira wrote: »

I play a sorcerer and it took me a long LONG while to learn to manage them (with the help of invisible potions) all the while being very frustrated at the fact these quests are so biased towards NB. I now complete all mission goals more often than not, though i still get the same problem you describe with the blade of woe not casting and the NPC turning around (URGH)

With all those difficulties taken into account, now think how much worse it's gonna be with the nerf to Rapid Maneuver. Like, WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS

I main as a Sorc and find these quests pretty easy. I never use pots, neither invisibility nor speed ones. I sometimes use rapids, but not often since they cost a whole lot of stamina. My main tool is simply 5 pieces medium Night's Silence gear. You don't need cloak, or pots, or rapids, to finish the missions.

Gear takes up room in my inventory that I'd rather free for something else. It's great that NS works for you ! but the game shouldn't keep taking alternatives away from us.

redlink1979 · July 2019

Neoealth wrote: »

Where do I start. Lets start with sacraments. The blade of woe is really clunky, you can sneak up behind a potential victim, and the blade of woe will take forever to engage, making that stupid noise it makes and by the time it finally is ready to use, the npc will either spin 180 on their heels and spot you or those f-ing annoying lantern patrols will show up. It makes it all the more worse if you are a vampire, you can end up biting the victim instead of killing with the blade of woe. The engine of this game does not seem to be able to support this style of game play.

Those lantern patrols....there are way too many of them. And why do they still alert if you sneak behind them? Do they have eyes in the back on their head? Not only that, but their radius is huge and the cave path ways they patrol are often so narrow which means they take all the space, no room to sneak past, you have to wait while they loiter and scratch their butts. On sacraments annoying when you only have a short while to get out before the overseer arrives, and just flat out game killing for heists where every second counts.

The heists are by far the most annoying, rage inducing and non fun elements of this game. The npcs are everywhere, they all blend into the back ground colours, i'm often bumping into them without even noticing them. The traps are very much the same. The time limit is far to restrictive for the amount of patrols and traps. The penalty for being seen it way too harsh. I just hate everything about it.

I am big enough to admit that I might just not be very good at it, but the content is so frustrating, so annoying, so not fun that trying to get better at them just feels like pulling out my teeth and pouring salt into my eye balls might be a more enjoyable past time.

I'm only doing them for the event tickets, after that I'm done. I just sprint through the heists now, killing them all, every time i melt one of those patrols with my spells, i give a little manic grin. I HATE THEM *anakin skywalker moment*

Sorry for the rant, this is clearly a venting post.

You can use some sets to help you become invisible: Night Mother Embrace, Nightshade, Darloc Brae.

Regarding patrols: You can do this: I equip the snipe on my DK. Snipe (from the back to grants the stun status) + 1 shot and they are dead without alerting anyone. You can kill everyone so you can wander around more freely.

Regarding the heists, I just memorized the maps from running them over and over again. They're not many and after a few runs you will know the "perfect" route to follow, the places you need to stop and the places where you can go fast. Again, I've done it with my DK. For the most difficult situations you can slot invisibility pots, avoid being detected because your time will be decrease by +- a 1/3.

I wasn't good at this in the beginning but practice makes perfection.
I didn't ran this event because I'm fed up with the sacrament's targets randomness: I'm missing 2 marks for ages since the game keeps giving me contracts I've already done - this shouldn't be happening....

daemonios · July 2019

Itacira wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Itacira wrote: »

I play a sorcerer and it took me a long LONG while to learn to manage them (with the help of invisible potions) all the while being very frustrated at the fact these quests are so biased towards NB. I now complete all mission goals more often than not, though i still get the same problem you describe with the blade of woe not casting and the NPC turning around (URGH)

With all those difficulties taken into account, now think how much worse it's gonna be with the nerf to Rapid Maneuver. Like, WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS

I main as a Sorc and find these quests pretty easy. I never use pots, neither invisibility nor speed ones. I sometimes use rapids, but not often since they cost a whole lot of stamina. My main tool is simply 5 pieces medium Night's Silence gear. You don't need cloak, or pots, or rapids, to finish the missions.

Gear takes up room in my inventory that I'd rather free for something else. It's great that NS works for you ! but the game shouldn't keep taking alternatives away from us.

I don't think you can be helped if that's your attitude. You have skills, consumables and equipment that can all help you. Take your pick. The fact remains that these missions aren't exclusively doable by Nightblades, nor do they require going invisible, as has been implied, not even close.

Coatmagic · July 2019

Can be done by anyone, but it's a patience thing as well as luck of the draw really.

Me, I've very little patience, and though it'd be really cool to be able finish some of the extra achievs,

I'd much rather just kill everything and get it over with xD

Ei8htba11 · July 2019

Idinuse wrote: »

Don’t worry about it. Unless you are a NB and have Cloak, this content is NOT for you...

Not entirely true. I cleared perfect runs on my Necro in both Heists and Sacraments all week.

When I first tried them ages back, I couldn't do them and hated them. But, after a few runs (and if someone who knows the layout can take you through so much the better**), you learn the layout. That's the key. Find a route through the area, usually in a clockwise or anti-clockwise manner (for Heists it depends on where the main chest is, the way you choose to go). If you have it, slot Rapids as it can shave some time off (at least until the patch drops it'll be useful).

Heists are timed from the start, so there's a little more pressure but the patrols are more forgiving. Sacraments, remember, the timer only starts once you kill the primary target. Until then, you can take your time.

Also remember, the gamma setting is your friend especially when starting out. Personally I don't like to any more, but when starting out whack that sucker all the way up, you'll see the 'hidden' guards and traps (bear traps are my personal hate).

** Heists can be shared, and depending on the group (4 max) you can get more than one out a day. Sacraments cannot be shared, but if you group before starting, THEN talk to the Speaker, everyone gets the same one. This way, someone more experienced with the area can take newer/inexperienced characters through and show them what to look out for.

Ri_Khan · July 2019

Neoealth wrote: »

The engine of this game does not seem to be able to support this style of game play.

This is what it seems like to me. I've done a lot of these quests and often get perfect runs but the mechanics have always felt broken and bugged.

Itacira · July 2019

daemonios wrote: »

I don't think you can be helped if that's your attitude. You have skills, consumables and equipment that can all help you. Take your pick. The fact remains that these missions aren't exclusively doable by Nightblades, nor do they require going invisible, as has been implied, not even close.

I don't need help? I already do take pots, which I just said? I didn't say these quests couldn't be done by other classes? my first comment here actually specifically says that I MANAGE AND WIN THESE QUESTS MORE OFTEN THAN NOT?! Have you actually read it? Have you understood its content? Words say things, you know. The only attitude I'm showing is irritation at the kind of nonsense shown in your reply. Get off your high horse and take it to the pasture ; give yourselves a break.

I did put in caveats in that the quests do feel easier on NB and that nerfs to Rapid Maneuver will make them more difficult. Which is an issue because RM was PRECISELY one of those "skills [...] that can all help you". So actually I do feel we'd be in agreement if you weren't in such a hurry to tell others how to play.

A final note : let's not pretend invisibility isn't of great help. Which, oh look, is one of those "consumables[...] that can all help you". So which is it, should these consumables not be needed or should they help ?

Minyassa · July 2019

I honestly feel ya. Though I actually like the lantern guards better than the non-lantern people *because* can see them...IF that mechanic is working properly, which it has for about 2/3 of the heists I did during the event. When it's not working, or when there's a crapton of lag, it doesn't matter how good you are or how well geared, etc, you are screwed anyway. And it's so effing annoying. The heists are very stressful for me because of that timer, and part of that is my own fault in that I keep thinking in sacrament terms and using Blade of Woe on people in heists, which makes you be caught because you are your own stupid witness and penalize yourself because you're dumb, or something, it doesn't make sense. Meh. Anyway I share some of your annoyance.

AcadianPaladin · July 2019

I avoid the DB for RP reasons but for this event and the same one last year, I'm okay with the Heists. I think speed combined with stealth is silly so I simpIy ignore that and treat the heist like any delve clear. Happily the missions allow for that just fine. Kill and loot everything while ignoring the timer. Sure I don't get the extra reward stuff but if I was rushing I wouldn't get any of the loot (nice groceries) either. What I actually like about the Heists is that they are a solo instance - and I love the lack of other players getting in the way as so often happens in delves. This event, for example, I started with 6 leftover tix and did a Heist a day until I was back up to 12. No muss no fuss.

Animal_Mother · July 2019

My biggest complaint is if these are single player instances, why do mobs and traps respawn?

redlink1979 · July 2019

Minyassa wrote: »

using Blade of Woe on people in heists, which makes you be caught because you are your own stupid witness...it doesn't make sense

Agree. Really stupid when you're the only witness around...

Ei8htba11 · July 2019

They're not solo if grouped. Sacraments can be done as a 4 man, so can Heists.

Sacraments can only be done 1 per day. Group up before talking to the speaker. Everyone HAS to talk to the speaker separately, but everyone in the group AT THAT TIME will get the same sacrament.

Heists can be shared. Group up, one person takes the job from the tip board and shares. Once done, turn it in and the next person in the group checks the tip board. If there's a blue arrow, take it and share. Rinse/repeat until no-one has any available quests left.

Michae · July 2019

I agree with most complaints, they are valid, but I still quite like this content. It's certainly far better than most other daily quests in this game. But I always played a nightblade in eso and I generally like games with stealth mechanics. Unles rng chooses a particularly difficult placement of targets I can do those missions just fine to get the bonuses, which are not that great, let's be honest. As a nightblade you must only remember one thing - when in doubt, cloak your way out. I don't use Night's Silence or any such thing. And if you only want tickets you can always just sprint through those levels and be done with it. You don't need bonuses for tickets.

Ei8htba11 · July 2019

Oh, another tip (I really should have put all this in one post.. doh!).

Guards work by LOS. If you are hiding behind a crate/rock formation/bookcase (done all of these in various areas), the Lantern Guard can and most likely WILL pull you out of stealth, BUT.. if whatever you're behind breaks LOS, he won't see you. Baskets aren't the only way to avoid them, and sometimes not the most convenient either.

daemonios · July 2019

Itacira wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

I don't think you can be helped if that's your attitude. You have skills, consumables and equipment that can all help you. Take your pick. The fact remains that these missions aren't exclusively doable by Nightblades, nor do they require going invisible, as has been implied, not even close.

I don't need help? I already do take pots, which I just said? I didn't say these quests couldn't be done by other classes? my first comment here actually specifically says that I MANAGE AND WIN THESE QUESTS MORE OFTEN THAN NOT?! Have you actually read it? Have you understood its content? Words say things, you know. The only attitude I'm showing is irritation at the kind of nonsense shown in your reply. Get off your high horse and take it to the pasture ; give yourselves a break.

I did put in caveats in that the quests do feel easier on NB and that nerfs to Rapid Maneuver will make them more difficult. Which is an issue because RM was PRECISELY one of those "skills [...] that can all help you". So actually I do feel we'd be in agreement if you weren't in such a hurry to tell others how to play.

A final note : let's not pretend invisibility isn't of great help. Which, oh look, is one of those "consumables[...] that can all help you". So which is it, should these consumables not be needed or should they help ?

I replied to you when you said the game was biased towards NB and complained that changes to rapids will make it much worse. It isn't, and it won't. After that, you chose to reply to my post by stating that the game keeps taking away your alternatives. I again replied and said there are plenty of alternatives, and you don't need any specific one. Just take your pick. Again you chose to reply by complaining you can't spare 5 inventory slots.

There is no pleasing you. You are wrong about the game being biased towards one class, any class can do heists and sacraments without going invisible, therefore without needing to be Nightblade. In fact, going invisible probably does more bad than good because it allows you to cheese it and ignore the guards' routes, so when you run out of magicka to spam cloak or run out of invisibility and are on potion cooldown, you're more likely to mess up.

Any class can choose one of several options that are in the game: pots, gear, skills. You choose to continue to be irritated by this. Go right ahead.

Kiyakotari · July 2019

Oh, I don't really have trouble with these, outside of the fact that I can't read the stupid maps to save my life, so navigating can be an issue.

And of course, I'm annoyed by how the targets (in both the Sacraments and the Heists) pop up on the compass and then disappear regularly. But as far as the stealthing issues go, I just run a few specific sets of stealth gear that make me essentially invisible unless I'm standing directly in front of someone, or revealed by one of those blue-circled NPC's, and then I have the vampire passive that lets me ignore the movement penalty of sneak. I don't run speed or potion pots, I don't use NB invisibility or speed boost skills, and I nearly always finish with a perfect result.

Ei8htba11 · July 2019

daemonios wrote: »

Sacraments are a pain because if you alert anyone and drop the quest, you'll retain the alert status. But heists you can practice as many times as you want simply by dropping the quest and starting again. If you pay attention and try to remember your mistakes, it's just like any other aspect in the game: practice makes perfect.

There's a 10 minute cooldown. Abandon, go do something else for 10 minutes (+mino?

), come back and the instance has reset.

Ragged_Claw · July 2019

I've done them enough now to be fairly proficient but the Heists are still rage inducing. They seem to get more buggy, guards suddenly sprinting at you because they've lost their pathing or something, lantern guards standing on top of each other, the blue rings from the lanterns not showing, one NPC detecting you, and then immediately detecting you again and my personal favorite: the named 'boss' style lantern guard spawning even though there's time left on the clock and blocking the exit (didn't think they appeared unless you failed). Not to mention the arrows showing the cache locations disappearing and reapearring. I walked through the same room three times yesterday until the caches appeared. So when Farendar says 'Eh not every job goes according to plan' I wanna punch him!

The Sacrament at least you can take your time with, but I've had issues with the blade of woe just not working, entering an instance to find the Overseer already there (I mean, really???) and the black hand not appearing above a target's head until I re-entered the room.

I'm gonna say that 90% of the time, the mistakes are mine, but the bugs/lag are also to blame so I fully understand your rage. I usually love stealth games (Assassin's Creed, Dishonored) but this ain't it...

Idinuse · July 2019

Ei8htba11 wrote: »

Idinuse wrote: »

Don’t worry about it. Unless you are a NB and have Cloak, this content is NOT for you...

Not entirely true. I cleared perfect runs on my Necro in both Heists and Sacraments all week.

When I first tried them ages back, I couldn't do them and hated them. But, after a few runs (and if someone who knows the layout can take you through so much the better**), you learn the layout. That's the key. Find a route through the area, usually in a clockwise or anti-clockwise manner (for Heists it depends on where the main chest is, the way you choose to go). If you have it, slot Rapids as it can shave some time off (at least until the patch drops it'll be useful).

Heists are timed from the start, so there's a little more pressure but the patrols are more forgiving. Sacraments, remember, the timer only starts once you kill the primary target. Until then, you can take your time.

Also remember, the gamma setting is your friend especially when starting out. Personally I don't like to any more, but when starting out whack that sucker all the way up, you'll see the 'hidden' guards and traps (bear traps are my personal hate).

** Heists can be shared, and depending on the group (4 max) you can get more than one out a day. Sacraments cannot be shared, but if you group before starting, THEN talk to the Speaker, everyone gets the same one. This way, someone more experienced with the area can take newer/inexperienced characters through and show them what to look out for.

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And if you’re not a NB and clear all of this naked in 10 seconds, good for you, you can’t clear my content for me so irrelevant really.