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make vMA weapons buyable
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TheNightflame✭✭✭✭✭if you cant beat vma, the bomus the weapons give you is not something you need. you'll literally pull only like 3% less dps1 -
itsfatbass✭✭✭✭✭If you want VMA currency purchase, you should be completing VMA to gain them. Not some random other location in Tamriel. But that said, VMA in 2019 is ludicrously easy. If you're not super familiar with it, the only thing thats gonna happen is some deaths. Nbd.~PC/NA~ Magblade, Tankanist, Healplar, Stamcro, Oakensorc, Healden, Tanknight ~PLUR~1 -
Huyen✭✭✭✭✭
✭It would be nice to have a reason to do pledges again after you got all the sets you need...Huyen Shadowpaw, dedicated nightblade tank - PS4 (Retired)
Huyen Swiftpaw, nightblade dps - PC EU (Retired)
Huyen Lightpaw, templar healer - PC EU (Retired)
Huyen Swiftpaw, necromancer dps - PC EU (Retired)
Huyen Swiftpaw, dragonknight (no defined role yet)
"Failure is only the opportunity to begin again. Only this time, more wisely" - Uncle Iroh1 -
colossalvoids✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's just robbing players from the best feelings in this game, their first stormproof title and later on a flawless run. It's the same as your first vet/hm trial, first vma bow/staves or a skin you get after dreaming of it for years. All this "skip, skip, skip" doesn't make anyone better, nor more fulfilled.
It's like handful of water after a hard day in a desert, feels good.6 -
wlkanos✭✭✭Not even a little bit, took me 2 months, a lot of rage and a million deaths to complete my first run of vMA and ended up with 2 one handed weapons. So now I have to run it again, only now it took me 1 day to finish the first 5 arenas. I know by the end of it getting that fire staff & bow will feel so much better than if I had bought it.
Only thing i'm on board with is I read in the comments someone saying something about vMA fragments, where once you finish the run you get 1 frag and add up 10 for a vMA weapon, that sounds like a great idea actually.1 -
Kalgert✭✭✭✭✭
I never feel fulfilled by this game... Or any game for that matter (Except Yakuza, that makes me smile any day of the week). I find it kinda weird to see people talking about fulfillment, pride and accomplishment and what other nonsense they can think of to defend their precious "Content".colossalvoids wrote: »It's just robbing players from the best feelings in this game, their first stormproof title and later on a flawless run. It's the same as your first vet/hm trial, first vma bow/staves or a skin you get after dreaming of it for years. All this "skip, skip, skip" doesn't make anyone better, nor more fulfilled.
It's like handful of water after a hard day in a desert, feels good.
I've gotten a few things that, by your standard and logic, should make me feel proud and accomplished, and I should by all accounts be using those unlocks consistently. Well, let's just say that I am using the Crown Store zombie skin more than I use Meridian, or Dreadhorn...
I play tank primarily, so Maelstr'm Arena weapons are more or less worthless to me, but I still wouldn't mind seeing others get ahold of them in other ways. Why? Well, because I have no respect for most of the people against the idea on this thread. Second reason being that Maelstr'm Arena doesn't really teach you anything about being a good play, other than drilling the habit of self-reliance, which ain't gonna be that relevant when playing in groups doing Dungeons/Raids.2 -
Agenericname✭✭✭✭✭
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I never feel fulfilled by this game... Or any game for that matter (Except Yakuza, that makes me smile any day of the week). I find it kinda weird to see people talking about fulfillment, pride and accomplishment and what other nonsense they can think of to defend their precious "Content".colossalvoids wrote: »It's just robbing players from the best feelings in this game, their first stormproof title and later on a flawless run. It's the same as your first vet/hm trial, first vma bow/staves or a skin you get after dreaming of it for years. All this "skip, skip, skip" doesn't make anyone better, nor more fulfilled.
It's like handful of water after a hard day in a desert, feels good.
I've gotten a few things that, by your standard and logic, should make me feel proud and accomplished, and I should by all accounts be using those unlocks consistently. Well, let's just say that I am using the Crown Store zombie skin more than I use Meridian, or Dreadhorn...
I play tank primarily, so Maelstr'm Arena weapons are more or less worthless to me, but I still wouldn't mind seeing others get ahold of them in other ways. Why? Well, because I have no respect for most of the people against the idea on this thread. Second reason being that Maelstr'm Arena doesn't really teach you anything about being a good play, other than drilling the habit of self-reliance, which ain't gonna be that relevant when playing in groups doing Dungeons/Raids.
vMA isolates principles found in various pieces of content throughout the game in a single player instance. Stage 5, a stage that many find a bit rough at first is a good example. That stage isn't about DPS, at least not at first. Most players will not finish that stage for the first time with brute force. Later on people will just burn her, but not first.
What you have to learns is, for lack of a better term, techniques; prioritize targets and kill the most dangerous first, mind your positioning, stay alive (sunstain) while you're doing it and do a little damage to the boss. The boss isn't the most dangerous thing there. All of those are applicable in other content in the game.
Adding a venue to acquire weapons outside of the arena does absolutely nothing to diminish my feeling about completing it. That's not the issue really. vMA is place that encourages player to improve in an isolated environment. Removing the incentive to do that would do more to the "huge divide" between average player and top players than the weapons do.
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Crixus8000✭✭✭✭✭
✭I would love different options to buy some of the weapon sets. Especially as a pvp player. I have done vma and vdsa, but I can never find a group for even normal asylum, and not through lack of trying. So it's very frustrating that certain weapons are just unobtainable for me because I don't have a dedicated pve guild.1 -
scorpius2k1✭✭✭✭✭
✭Another pointless post imho. Sure, let's just continue to make it easy and convenient to get everything in the game, what's the point?
On the other side of this coin completely I blame ZoS because they are opening so many bad doors with purchasing game advancing features. "I did it once, so I am ENTITLED to have it now". Great job instilling that mentality and access. Wait a bit, surely it will be on the Crown Store as a convenience feature...
...or just play the d*mn game and...
"GIT GUD", vMA isn't that hard once you get mechanics solid.
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Maxdevil✭✭✭As a solo player in my opinion Vma is one of the best content eso have,I would like a new solo arena tho"Maxdevil knows much, and tells some. Maxdevil knows many things others do not."
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grkkll✭✭✭✭All this "you gotta earn it" really boils my pish. Why? Why do you have to earn it? Some of us have disabilities that prevent us from weaving our way through VMA just to get the weapon that we don't want. This isn't work, it'supposed to be fun..... Where's the fun in running ragged and inflaming already arthritic joints and ongoing RSI to probably not get the weapon you want, cos the game is coded not to give the Stam dd a bow or a mag dd the shock staff. Life is just a game but this game..... or the way its played is sometimes just too damn serious5
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Dragonnord✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭So kind of: "I can't get vMA weapons so I'm gonna complete this super easy dungeon a few times so I can buy them"?
vMA is one of the few unique content the game has. Please keep it that way. No completion, no reward.
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Not everyone needs a Vma weapon. Just like in life not everyone needs a Posh, BMW or Limbo..5
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Muzzick✭✭✭✭All this "you gotta earn it" really boils my pish. Why? Why do you have to earn it? Some of us have disabilities that prevent us from weaving our way through VMA just to get the weapon that we don't want. This isn't work, it'supposed to be fun..... Where's the fun in running ragged and inflaming already arthritic joints and ongoing RSI to probably not get the weapon you want, cos the game is coded not to give the Stam dd a bow or a mag dd the shock staff. Life is just a game but this game..... or the way its played is sometimes just too damn serious
Why do you need a vma weapon to enjoy the game though? Game is just as fun without a vma weapon5 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Just do the content...PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...0 -
scorpius2k1✭✭✭✭✭
✭All this "you gotta earn it" really boils my pish. Why? Why do you have to earn it? Some of us have disabilities that prevent us from weaving our way through VMA just to get the weapon that we don't want. This isn't work, it'supposed to be fun..... Where's the fun in running ragged and inflaming already arthritic joints and ongoing RSI to probably not get the weapon you want, cos the game is coded not to give the Stam dd a bow or a mag dd the shock staff. Life is just a game but this game..... or the way its played is sometimes just too damn serious
Not to be insensitive to you or anyone elses condition, but what exactly is the point of having a vMA weapon if the exact purpose for it's intended use is to have a proper set for yet more crazy content (aka trials, and other end-game content) which would very likely be as bad, if not worse than vMA. If you cannot play end-game and difficult content there is *plenty* of other viable gear for more casual gameplay styles. Arena and Trial gear really doesn't have an advantage for other content from which it's earned. Kind of a moot point really.🌎 PC/NA
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HappyTheCamper✭✭✭✭✭I’d love a vMA arms motif that doubles with the ability of transforming my normal weapons into the VMA ones.0
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Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭madarame_77 wrote: »Not buyable from the crown store, of course! But they could be sold for undaunted keys. In the new patch they are going to introduce chests with gear from specific dungeons for increased number of keys. I propose they do the same for vma weapons. For example, 20 keys for 1 chest with random vMA weapon (could be 50, doesn't matter). Or they could also sell bundles with random vMA weapons for 1mil alliance points.
The thing is that only tiny percentage of players are able to complete vMA and with the upcoming aoe nerfs this number will be even less! The absense of vMA weapons creates a huge divide between the top 0.1 of players who pull 60k dps and the average player base. I know many people spent days and weeks and months to get these weapons and I respect that. I don't ask it for free. I just want some alternative way to get it for those like me who can't beat it for some reason.
As much as I want to support your post - because I can't stand VMA and consider it a hell hole of horrible game design - people who go through the significant trouble of completing that mess ought to be uniquely rewarded with those weapons. It wouldn't be fair to them to allow other players to obtain them by alternative and easier means.
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Jawshoeuh✭✭✭madarame_77 wrote: »Not buyable from the crown store, of course! But they could be sold for undaunted keys. In the new patch they are going to introduce chests with gear from specific dungeons for increased number of keys. I propose they do the same for vma weapons. For example, 20 keys for 1 chest with random vMA weapon (could be 50, doesn't matter). Or they could also sell bundles with random vMA weapons for 1mil alliance points.
The thing is that only tiny percentage of players are able to complete vMA and with the upcoming aoe nerfs this number will be even less! The absense of vMA weapons creates a huge divide between the top 0.1 of players who pull 60k dps and the average player base. I know many people spent days and weeks and months to get these weapons and I respect that. I don't ask it for free. I just want some alternative way to get it for those like me who can't beat it for some reason.
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Luigi_Vampa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Agenericname wrote: »
I never feel fulfilled by this game... Or any game for that matter (Except Yakuza, that makes me smile any day of the week). I find it kinda weird to see people talking about fulfillment, pride and accomplishment and what other nonsense they can think of to defend their precious "Content".colossalvoids wrote: »It's just robbing players from the best feelings in this game, their first stormproof title and later on a flawless run. It's the same as your first vet/hm trial, first vma bow/staves or a skin you get after dreaming of it for years. All this "skip, skip, skip" doesn't make anyone better, nor more fulfilled.
It's like handful of water after a hard day in a desert, feels good.
I've gotten a few things that, by your standard and logic, should make me feel proud and accomplished, and I should by all accounts be using those unlocks consistently. Well, let's just say that I am using the Crown Store zombie skin more than I use Meridian, or Dreadhorn...
I play tank primarily, so Maelstr'm Arena weapons are more or less worthless to me, but I still wouldn't mind seeing others get ahold of them in other ways. Why? Well, because I have no respect for most of the people against the idea on this thread. Second reason being that Maelstr'm Arena doesn't really teach you anything about being a good play, other than drilling the habit of self-reliance, which ain't gonna be that relevant when playing in groups doing Dungeons/Raids.
vMA isolates principles found in various pieces of content throughout the game in a single player instance. Stage 5, a stage that many find a bit rough at first is a good example. That stage isn't about DPS, at least not at first. Most players will not finish that stage for the first time with brute force. Later on people will just burn her, but not first.
What you have to learns is, for lack of a better term, techniques; prioritize targets and kill the most dangerous first, mind your positioning, stay alive (sunstain) while you're doing it and do a little damage to the boss. The boss isn't the most dangerous thing there. All of those are applicable in other content in the game.
Adding a venue to acquire weapons outside of the arena does absolutely nothing to diminish my feeling about completing it. That's not the issue really. vMA is place that encourages player to improve in an isolated environment. Removing the incentive to do that would do more to the "huge divide" between average player and top players than the weapons do.
This is a good comment. vMA is a training ground if you can do it, you'll be good for any vet content. It really does make you a better player.PC/EU DC6 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
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@Kalgert vet dlc dungeons, arena's, and dlc trials said hi. Places where you need to interrupt, block, survive, prioritize adds, kite other adds, do not stand in red, etc etc.Second reason being that Maelstr'm Arena doesn't really teach you anything about being a good play, other than drilling the habit of self-reliance, which ain't gonna be that relevant when playing in groups doing Dungeons/Raids.All this "you gotta earn it" really boils my pish. Why? Why do you have to earn it? Some of us have disabilities that prevent us from weaving our way through VMA just to get the weapon that we don't want. This isn't work, it'supposed to be fun..... Where's the fun in running ragged and inflaming already arthritic joints and ongoing RSI to probably not get the weapon you want, cos the game is coded not to give the Stam dd a bow or a mag dd the shock staff. Life is just a game but this game..... or the way its played is sometimes just too damn serious
@grkkll If you didn't notice, most of the comments here, weren't "you gotta go earn it."
They were "if you can't get it, you dont need it for the content you do" and "vMA helps players get better" and "it motivates player to get better."
While i understand you have your condition, and no disrespect for it, if you cant weave, vMA staves are useless for you, they will result in a dps loss and vMA bow is getting nerfed.
But you are correct. If you dont find it fun, dont do it. Very simple.Edited by zvavi on July 14, 2019 3:13AM6 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It has long been the case in MMORPGs that top gear has been locked behind clearing content and the vMA weapon is no exception. There is no entitlement in that. It should remain locked behind the content for those willing to put the effort and dedication into clearing it.
It really is that simple.5 -
Dar'Norok✭✭Definitely disagree with the OP. While maelstrom arena was most frustrating, it was also my favourite challenge in ESO. It's a cool challenge because it tests one own skills and self-reliance!
But in general, 'If you're nothing without the weapon then you shouldn't have it' XD
Edited by Dar'Norok on July 14, 2019 3:55AM0 -
cmvet✭✭✭madarame_77 wrote: »Not buyable from the crown store, of course! But they could be sold for undaunted keys. In the new patch they are going to introduce chests with gear from specific dungeons for increased number of keys. I propose they do the same for vma weapons. For example, 20 keys for 1 chest with random vMA weapon (could be 50, doesn't matter). Or they could also sell bundles with random vMA weapons for 1mil alliance points.
The thing is that only tiny percentage of players are able to complete vMA and with the upcoming aoe nerfs this number will be even less! The absense of vMA weapons creates a huge divide between the top 0.1 of players who pull 60k dps and the average player base. I know many people spent days and weeks and months to get these weapons and I respect that. I don't ask it for free. I just want some alternative way to get it for those like me who can't beat it for some reason.
So learn the mechanics, it literally takes 40 minutes of your time once you do. then you will be rewarded for it. The only reason a small number of people have done it, is because others don't care to take the time to learn the mechanics. Same as getting elite gear from trials or more advanced group dungeons, you need to learn the mechanics for those.
Also, less people use VMA weapons than you think. you don't need them to reach high dps. In fact for many builds, vma weapons are a reduction in dps. If anything, vma weapons need to get the bonuses back they used to have.0 -
xeNNNNN✭✭✭✭✭
✭No.
There is nothing more satisfying than beating vMA for the first time in this game alone, unaided. Just you and that hellscape.
Afterwards you think to yourself, I can do it again. And so you do, again and again and again. All the while constantly improving even if its incomprehensible at the time. By the time you've done constantly smashing through it you will end up having nearly all the weapons.
Took me a long time but I finally got my inferno, with a resto and a lightning staff, several maelstrom bows and a bunch of daggers/axes and 2h.
Buying them directly would defeat the entire purpose of that place and its rewarding nature. Detract from that and the content becomes lesser by default.Ah, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.0 -
Welkynar✭✭✭NO!! I only believe in vMA keys to buy specific vMA weapons. Prevents problems like not getting your vMA inferno staff you want after 40 completions (it almost made me cry!)
And vMA is not impossible. It’s hard at first (my first run took forever) but once you learn everything and get comfortable with it, you can do it in like 30 minutes. Even though I promise to never go back, getting that inferno staff felt so rewarding and I felt so proud of myself. Valuable gear earned from completing difficult content should never be given away so easily.Edited by Welkynar on July 14, 2019 4:36AM0 -
Mr_Walker✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭TheNightflame wrote: »if you cant beat vma, the bomus the weapons give you is not something you need. you'll literally pull only like 3% less dps
I'm glad zos has appointed an arbiter of what people need, it's an imprtant role.3
