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make vMA weapons buyable
madarame_77
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Not buyable from the crown store, of course! But they could be sold for undaunted keys. In the new patch they are going to introduce chests with gear from specific dungeons for increased number of keys. I propose they do the same for vma weapons. For example, 20 keys for 1 chest with random vMA weapon (could be 50, doesn't matter). Or they could also sell bundles with random vMA weapons for 1mil alliance points.
The thing is that only tiny percentage of players are able to complete vMA and with the upcoming aoe nerfs this number will be even less! The absense of vMA weapons creates a huge divide between the top 0.1 of players who pull 60k dps and the average player base. I know many people spent days and weeks and months to get these weapons and I respect that. I don't ask it for free. I just want some alternative way to get it for those like me who can't beat it for some reason.
The thing is that only tiny percentage of players are able to complete vMA and with the upcoming aoe nerfs this number will be even less! The absense of vMA weapons creates a huge divide between the top 0.1 of players who pull 60k dps and the average player base. I know many people spent days and weeks and months to get these weapons and I respect that. I don't ask it for free. I just want some alternative way to get it for those like me who can't beat it for some reason.
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Aznarb✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, vMA weapon are powerful and should stay as a reward for people who deserve it.
The only improvement I would see is :
- Each time you end the vMA, you earn a "vMA fragment", with 10 vMA fragment you can buy a vMA weapon of your choice.
(You still get the random weapon each run obviously)
Would be a nice help for unlucky people.
What you ask OP, is just a free give away for lazy people, every one can complete it, they're is plenty of guide and tutorial even build around. If you can't, then try harder.
I even know some old player who have succeed here trying again and again.
Why can't you then ?Edited by Aznarb on July 14, 2019 2:37AM[ PC EU ]
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Syuko✭✭✭I disagree with this. Everyone wants everything handed to them, vMA isn't that hard and that's coming from someone who is an average player. If you can't do vMA then do you actually deserve the weapons? Keep trying, I believe in you. 🙂18 -
Ecstatica✭✭✭No way, I beat VMA after a 6 month rage quit, tantrums, tears and literally punching myself in the head! Get in there and earn it, it's not THAT difficult!Filthy Gorgeous
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TheCaptainJosh✭✭✭madarame_77 wrote: »I just want some alternative way to get it for those like me who can't beat it for some reason.
It took me nine months to beat maelstrom for the first time, and now I can get on the leaderboards. You can beat it, anyone can. Just takes a lot of patience and a little bit of luck.
That being said, I am against this idea. vMA is a solo trial, and you get rewarded with loot at the end. If 50 keys gave me a chance to get a vMA weapon, then what precedent does that set? Will I also be able to use 50 keys for a chance at a perfect armor piece or weapon from a vet trial? Suddenly endgame pve achievements are worthless because you can skip the challenging content and grab the loot everyone else worked for.
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J2JMC✭✭✭✭✭I personally think they should be sold in the crown store.Knee Jerk, L2P, Obtuse, Casual, Entitled, All The Best, unnecessary mention of CoD
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Undefwun✭✭✭✭✭Nope.
There is a million and one written and video guides out there.
AoE nerf? People have done it with light attacks or bash only.... so I am sure a half decently geared player with a bit of patience and a good attitude is able to l
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Muzzick✭✭✭✭The nerfs won't even make a difference I do single target spammable for everything except for the bosses where will replace aoe dot for single target dot.
Also I beat it as part of the average player base not the 0.1%Edited by Muzzick on July 13, 2019 5:13AM3 -
madarame_77✭✭✭TheCaptainJosh wrote: »madarame_77 wrote: »I just want some alternative way to get it for those like me who can't beat it for some reason.
If 50 keys gave me a chance to get a vMA weapon, then what precedent does that set? Will I also be able to use 50 keys for a chance at a perfect armor piece or weapon from a vet trial? Suddenly endgame pve achievements are worthless because you can skip the challenging content and grab the loot everyone else worked for.
vTrial carries are sold for in-game gold if you didn't know and vtrial loot runs, too. So I already can buy any trial weapons for CROWNS now! So no precedent here.3 -
r34lian✭✭✭✭✭
✭madarame_77 wrote: »Not buyable from the crown store, of course! But they could be sold for undaunted keys. In the new patch they are going to introduce chests with gear from specific dungeons for increased number of keys. I propose they do the same for vma weapons. For example, 20 keys for 1 chest with random vMA weapon (could be 50, doesn't matter). Or they could also sell bundles with random vMA weapons for 1mil alliance points.
The thing is that only tiny percentage of players are able to complete vMA and with the upcoming aoe nerfs this number will be even less! The absense of vMA weapons creates a huge divide between the top 0.1 of players who pull 60k dps and the average player base. I know many people spent days and weeks and months to get these weapons and I respect that. I don't ask it for free. I just want some alternative way to get it for those like me who can't beat it for some reason.
Only to condition that you have to complete vMA on any of your character like the same they did with skyshards then it's fine.2000 CP • 18 Maxed Characters • 6 Altmers • 7 Redguards • Necromancer Orc • Warden Dunmer • DK Nord • DK Imperial • Templar Breton3 -
TheCaptainJosh✭✭✭I'm well aware gold carries are in the game. But at the very least you still have to go through the trial in order to get the loot, carried or not. What you are proposing is a way to circumvent the trial completely (vMA in this case). That is not something I could support in this game
Edited by TheCaptainJosh on July 13, 2019 5:19AMAugustusGray
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Aznarb✭✭✭✭✭
✭madarame_77 wrote: »TheCaptainJosh wrote: »madarame_77 wrote: »I just want some alternative way to get it for those like me who can't beat it for some reason.
If 50 keys gave me a chance to get a vMA weapon, then what precedent does that set? Will I also be able to use 50 keys for a chance at a perfect armor piece or weapon from a vet trial? Suddenly endgame pve achievements are worthless because you can skip the challenging content and grab the loot everyone else worked for.
vTrial carries are sold for in-game gold if you didn't know and vtrial loot runs, too. So I already can buy any trial weapons for CROWNS now! So no precedent here.
1 - You've to run it
2 - You've to find ppl who wanna carry you
3 - It's not a game feature, it's just a player business.
vMA should be mandatory, average player who beat it end-up better player cuz they have no one to cover their mistake.Edited by Aznarb on July 13, 2019 5:25AM[ PC EU ]
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✭✭A vMA weapon isn't going to make you magically hit high dps. It augments your damage, no mistake, but it's the difference between the last bit of dps when you already have a top end build.
If you're doing 20k dps, a vMA weapon alone won't put you to elite tier dps.
Once you're able to beat it, you'll be able to utilize the weapon. If you can't beat it, the weapon won't do you any good, and actually might end up hurting you if you can't compensate for the loss of your second 5 piece or monster set to even slot it.
Tldr: earn it through doing the content."It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard19 -
If you can't complete vMA, then you probably aren't going to be able to make use of one of the weapons. Just git gud m8.16
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✭✭I mean, if you're not able to beat vma, then you're probably not ready for endgame content just yet, which is really the main content that requires it to begin with. It shows you have a somewhat basic understanding of mechanics and survivability. Granted there are even ways to cheese vma, (I'm looking at you, plague doctor pet sorc builds), but it helps to prepare players for difficulty content without being a liability or a carry.7 -
Madhatten512✭✭✭✭Wow is all I can say I mean really why do people want everything handed to them just practice get better at the game and beat the arena there is 250,000 how to beat VMA guides on youtube pick one..
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✭So 20 completions of fungal grotto 1 on normal gets you a VMA weapon? Sounds fair6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭madarame_77 wrote: »I just want some alternative way to get it for those like me who can't beat it for some reason.
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Jawshoeuh✭✭✭Lol “beat it for some reason” I think your entitlement beat you to this post first..1 -
tahol10069✭✭✭✭No. No. No.
There has to be something that makes you try hard. I can't stand this new trend where everyone believes they should get everything without actually putting out the effort. (I haven't even looked at the general direction of that content and I would be totally pissed if you could sell the weapons or get them in any other way than actually beating the said content).1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭When i passed it for the first time, i was straggling putting out 20k dps. it was 500 cp ago. At the time i was 350 cp. I went in headstrong and determined. Refused to use any sigils even. After i finished it for the first time on my mag sorc (my main, which counts as an easy thing relatively) few days later i was there again on mag dk i wasnt even pulling 20k on (there i actually have decided to use 1 sigil against the last boss). All you need is pure determination and just go and do it. i recommend vMA to all players. Why? Because It makes you think about your build. It makes you learn your skills and gear better. it teaches you to take care of yourself. In many situations (vet dlc and trials) it is a thing you will HAVE to do. Yes. vMA weapons make you stronger, but they are not the main reason the players wearing them are stronger and better. And with an alternative way to get them, players will try less to get better. Which is bad in my opinion. Very bad. If you put vMA weapons on sale like that, player base will suffer skill wise.Edited by zvavi on July 13, 2019 6:58AM4 -
Kleemen✭✭No, vMA weapon are powerful and should stay as a reward for people who deserve it.
The only improvement I would see is :
- Each time you end the vMA, you earn a "vMA fragment", with 10 vMA fragment you can buy a vMA weapon of your choice.
(You still get the random weapon each run obviously)
I'd like to see a fragment system like this, but also add perfected items. So you can still grind and go for a perfected weapon, but can get a non perfect version for x amount of fragments.
An unrelated note, I'd also love if they added a motif that drops in vMA, anything to get people to do old content is good.1 -
Rylisin✭✭✭If I could beat vMA with 300-400+ ping, on a Magden who barely did 11k dps at the time then there's no reason that anyone else can't.
Tinker with builds, find what works and what doesn't. It honestly not too hard once you've learned the levels and found out what works for you. Except stage 8, that's just rng with the shroom spawns
Use the sigils, shields if you have them and absorb guides like a sponge. There's loads of helpful content for beating vMA around these days, so you don't have to look too hard. So no, personally I don't agree with making them available with keys unless you've beaten vMA once before and/or gotten an actual score.
Also they don't magically give you top-tier dps. They help a little bit, and are a nice bonus but not an absolute necessity. You can still do solid dps in other set gear if you've got your rotation down right ¯\_(ツ)_/¯Edited by Rylisin on July 13, 2019 9:00AM3 -
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✭✭No, vMA weapon are powerful and should stay as a reward for people who deserve it.
The only improvement I would see is :
- Each time you end the vMA, you earn a "vMA fragment", with 10 vMA fragment you can buy a vMA weapon of your choice.
(You still get the random weapon each run obviously)
I'd like to see a fragment system like this, but also add perfected items. So you can still grind and go for a perfected weapon, but can get a non perfect version for x amount of fragments.
An unrelated note, I'd also love if they added a motif that drops in vMA, anything to get people to do old content is good.
If they add perfected weapons, they should only drop for flawless runs.PC/EU DC2
