Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Not only that but it seems to get progressively worse - compare it to the eso reddit (of all places) that is mostly constructive and positive.

The only impression you get here is that the game is horrible, p2w and basically 5min away from dying...

I understand people want to voice mostly their perceived grievances but a) do we really need the 50th qq thread about the same topic instead of fewer bigger and better once? and b) cant everyone also always think about the gamewide impact of their complaint as well as formulate a qualitative feedback on how to improve things - having everyone else in mind?

More and more of my friends - long time players - dont visit the forums at all anymore because of these reasons...

It’s another situation of the vocal few, you’d think people were leaving in droves or the game crashes every two minutes.
I’ve only seen the most toxic, repetitive or pointless threads get taken down. Some of the issues very vocal people have had with the game, I’ve only seen minor versions off so I’m pretty sure that at least some of it is blown out of proportion.

I played WoW, I don’t play it anymore and I wouldn’t go back to it so long as the ESO servers are still running. I also never recommended WoW but I always recommend this game, just saying.
I’m not saying that this game is perfect, but I’ve poured far more money into it than I would any other game.
I don’t know how much that says, but I think if more people with a better opinion of the game came back to the forums and started being vocal, then the forums might start balancing out the toxicity and give a real view of the game.
Currently the forums are just used for complaints it seems.

ESO-subReddit must be someones personal fan project, I can't find any other reason why it is as it is. The amount of lazy screenshots and cheap karmawhoring is ridicilous. How many times can you see a picture of a sunset at Summerset before you are done with that place? Or someones costume? The quality of that sub is...just not there. There is no real conversation about anything. Anything else than Tumblr-level posting gets either removed by the moderator (who cultivates this nauseating atmoshphere there like their life would depend from it) or just downvoted to oblivion in few hours. If that is positivity, then I choose to be a very negative person, thank you very much.

This is a game related thing. People will always complain about just everything. Same happens on almost every game forums, like Overwatch (which is even worse). It's really hard - impossible I'd say - to please everyone, so...

I would be more concerned if the forums where the opposite. If everything was positive, then it is either heavily moderated or only played by blind and obsessed fanboys.

Some of it is well-earned. Performance has been on the decline for a while and some issues have been around for years. ZOS won't fix issues, instead pumping out more content (and bugs) and crown store items. It also doesn't help that they have a ***-poor track record on balancing (which may be changing).

Also the reddit posts overall have a more casual perspective.

People love to complain, even more so when it's online less chance of getting punched in the nose. I live in a retirement community(I'm not retired) and they have a facebook group and OMG it's a gripe fest. You all need to stop shooting fireworks it's scaring my dog, you all need to go outside and scrub the concrete off where you shot your fireworks, there's a kid in the street shooting off fireworks I don't think they should be allowed, and on and on. These are just recent posts lol.

I don't care for the constant character combat changes however, it shows a lack of concern for the customer base IMO.

That's a good thing. The faster new players learn about truth behind this game, like for example bugs that have been in the game since release and still are not fixed, devs that don't care about their game and it's players except milking money, terrible performance both fps and latency wise, how the end game pvp and pve are like, the sooner they got to know all of this, the better.

Of course it also depends on the type of the player

If you're casual who is playing this game like 1-2 hours and only during weekends and only doing quests, role playing or whatever and maybe doing normal dungeons once in a while, you won't notice all of this issues, and there shouldn't even be a reason for you to check forums. Stick to the eso sub reddit instead and post screenshots.

If you're planning on making this game your main MMO and put some serious hours in it and work towards end game. You should know what you're signing up for, and therefore you can decide whenever this game is worth your time and putting hours in to it or no. Otherwise you may end up with like 3000h playtime, which in the end you may feel were a bit wasted since the end game isn't exactly how you imagined or you got bored of it after some time or that the constant problems troubling this game aren't worth it.

redgreensunset wrote: »

The majority of comments on this post demonstrates OP's point brilliantly. I've be playing MMOs since EQ and usually frequent the official forum(s) for thr game(s) I'm playing. This forum is definitely on the top 5 of most toxic forums I've ever seen and imo the mods are far too lenient on toxic behavior and negative but unconstructive threads and posts. For one thing the gaslighting from the toxic elements of anyone witj a dissenting opinion or view is left to run rampant with very little counter from the mods.

Here's a direct quote from a Reddit ESO Moderator:
"One of the big advantages is that we’re not bound to a company policy. We can filter morons out of this reddit as much as we like."

What that means is, anyone with a "dissenting opinion or view" is silenced or downvoted until they only see what the Reddit majority agree on.

What has been said in here that highlights OP's point?

II don't mind the posts pointing out the game's many issues when it comes to gameplay, the server stability, the micro transactions, all those things that the game should look into regulating and doesn't. I think it's fair that new players are informed. Also, ZOS earned those. They really did.

The forum toxicity regarding other players though, is a real issue. Even in this post, derogatory comments about casuals can be found, or players who play overland content ("mindlessly'', though between a button masher and someone who plays and reads questlines one wonder who the most mindless is SEE I CAN DO IT TOO). This superior attitude is apalling, and if something discourages new players, it's definitely to be told to GITGUD or otherwise be thankful to be carried through a dungeon they actually wanted to play.

it may leave a terrible impression but maybe they will understand why half their abilities are not working in PvP or why a quest gets weird and they can’t continue.

For Reddit if you dare say anything bad about the game, ZOS or a ZOS employee prepare to be downvoted into oblivion. The hive mind is real there